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Facebook users would have to pay to opt out of their data being used for targeted ads, Sheryl Sandberg says
  • Facebook users could have to pay to completely opt out of their data being used to target them with advertising, COO Sheryl Sandberg, told NBC News.
  • "We don't have an opt-out at the highest level. That would be a paid product," Sandberg said.
  • The comments come after Facebook admitted that 87 million users were affected by the Cambridge Analytica data breach, more than previously suggested.
 
Nope, I don't have any problem with getting targeted ads. I actually click on them occasionally because they are targeted to me.

I take it you don't like getting ads targeted at you.

Why not?
 
It is difficult for me to take most critique of Facebook seriously, considering it is mostly coming from those who tend to uphold capitalism and so-called "free markets".
 
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At a minimum, pay Facebook's competition, wouldn't trust FB anymore - if I used them, which I don't, but it does provide a service many people enjoy. There's probably a middle road, a free service in which all parties benefit, while keeping their data private and not being bombarded by ads and manipulators. FB is in the past since they clearly haven't found this new model.

But the end result for users is the same: stop using FaceBook, today.
 
Makes sense to me. Nothing is free. These days even weather apps have switched to a pay model or ad model, if you would like more than the basic stuff.

Personally I don’t mind the ads and to some extent I have eliminated things I’m not interested in.
 
It's easy enough to render most data harvested from Facebook useless through an alias handle, a mix of truth and fiction elsewhere in personal details. I have operated this way for years.
 
I'm sittin' around the house today and you know what I would pay to opt out of?

Those darn phone calls.

So far today my computer has called me with an emergency that requires I call Microsoft immediately.

3 calls that my credit card (I don't own any) interest rates are about to go up and I need to press 1 to prevent that from happening.

I need new windows and doors. I don't.

Do I want to donate to the fraternal order of police.

And the best one that comes quite regularly, there is a warrant out for my arrest because I owe the IRS a large amount of money.

Yup, I would gladly pay to opt out of those and receive calls for stuff I need.
 
tcg550 said:
I'm sittin' around the house today and you know what I would pay to opt out of?

Those darn phone calls.

So far today my computer has called me with an emergency that requires I call Microsoft immediately.

3 calls that my credit card (I don't own any) interest rates are about to go up and I need to press 1 to prevent that from happening.

I need new windows and doors. I don't.

Do I want to donate to the fraternal order of police.

And the best one that comes quite regularly, there is a warrant out for my arrest because I owe the IRS a large amount of money.

Yup, I would gladly pay to opt out of those and receive calls for stuff I need.
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I don't answer any call unless I recognize the number. If it is important, the caller will leave a message. If its a scam or a bot, they usually won't.

Let's try to use our heads, people. Digital life is not complex.
 
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I don’t answer calls unless I recognize who is calling. Additionally my latest land line phone has its own "block" button which works like a charm. It’s rare to get nonsense calls any more which is an absolute pleasure.

Love the IRS call. Got a couple of those that went to voicemail and I found them so amusing.
 
bent christian said:
tcg550 said:
I'm sittin' around the house today and you know what I would pay to opt out of?

Those darn phone calls.

So far today my computer has called me with an emergency that requires I call Microsoft immediately.

3 calls that my credit card (I don't own any) interest rates are about to go up and I need to press 1 to prevent that from happening.

I need new windows and doors. I don't.

Do I want to donate to the fraternal order of police.

And the best one that comes quite regularly, there is a warrant out for my arrest because I owe the IRS a large amount of money.

Yup, I would gladly pay to opt out of those and receive calls for stuff I need.
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I don't answer any call unless I recognize the number. If it is important, the caller will leave a message. If its a scam or a bot, they usually won't.

Let's try to use our heads, people. Digital life is not complex.
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Why didn't I think of that?
 
tcg550 said:
bent christian said:
I don't answer any call unless I recognize the number. If it is important, the caller will leave a message. If its a scam or a bot, they usually won't.

Let's try to use our heads, people. Digital life is not complex.
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Why didn't I think of that?
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I don't even have the ringer on for my home line. It's outgoing calls only.

In this era of caller ID, my cell tells me every caller that I know. If it doesn't know, then it's either a wrong number (increasingly common as area codes keep splitting) or a marketer.
 
fotografffic said:
  • Facebook users could have to pay to completely opt out of their data being used to target them with advertising, COO Sheryl Sandberg, told NBC News.
  • "We don't have an opt-out at the highest level. That would be a paid product," Sandberg said.
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So the obvious problem here - this whole scandal was about FB letting a 3rd party get data that FB had promised to keep private. So why the F would people pay chem to do a job they already have been shown cheating at? I'm sure the investors love the idea, but the EU may send them a rather ugly bill in retaliation.
 
Olga Johnson said:
I don’t answer calls unless I recognize who is calling. Additionally my latest land line phone has its own "block" button which works like a charm. It’s rare to get nonsense calls any more which is an absolute pleasure.

Love the IRS call. Got a couple of those that went to voicemail and I found them so amusing.
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Didn't ya just love the tin voice?! Received several of those calls.

We have the ringer on our home line shut off. Only use it for outgoing emergency phone calls if we can't locate our cell phone quickly enough. Also keep the landline to get a discount on bundled services.

For my cell phone, I use the Mr. Number app. Works well at blocking spam calls and it gives you several options such as blocking an entire area code (which I actually used). And as others have said, I don't pick up the phone if I don't recognize the number. They can leave a message!
 
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bent christian said:
It is difficult for me to take most critique of Facebook seriously, considering it is mostly coming from those who tend to uphold capitalism and so-called "free markets".
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Interesting statement but not sure it's relevant.

The issue is about releasing private data...lots 'n lots of it... to others, which can happen in socialist, communist and other economic systems.

I don't know which concerns me more: what Facebook et. al. do, or those who seem not to care.

Here's a smidgen of the emerging news headlines from just the past few days:
  • Facebook sent a doctor on a secret mission to ask hospitals to share patient data (note:
    Facebook admits it discussed sharing user data for medical research project Company acknowledges revelations in CNBC report but says project was put on hold, with no data ‘shared or analyzed’)
  • Facebook scans the photos and links you send on Messenger
  • Facebook Just Confirmed That It Reviews Your Private Messages
  • Manager of $200 billion pension fund deletes Facebook account, citing 'offensive' management
  • Indonesia opens investigation into Facebook privacy breachAustralian Authorities Open Investigation Into Facebook's Improper Sharing Of Data
 
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fotografffic said:
bent christian said:
It is difficult for me to take most critique of Facebook seriously, considering it is mostly coming from those who tend to uphold capitalism and so-called "free markets".
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Interesting statement but not sure it's relevant.

The issue is about releasing private data...lots 'n lots of it... to others, which can happen in socialist, communist and other economic systems.

I don't know which concerns me more: what Facebook et. al. do, or those who seem not to care.

Here's a smidgen of the emerging news headlines from just the past few days:
  • Facebook sent a doctor on a secret mission to ask hospitals to share patient data (note:
    Facebook admits it discussed sharing user data for medical research project Company acknowledges revelations in CNBC report but says project was put on hold, with no data ‘shared or analyzed’)
  • Facebook scans the photos and links you send on Messenger
  • Facebook Just Confirmed That It Reviews Your Private Messages
  • Manager of $200 billion pension fund deletes Facebook account, citing 'offensive' management
  • Indonesia opens investigation into Facebook privacy breachAustralian Authorities Open Investigation Into Facebook's Improper Sharing Of Data
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My comment is certainly relevant. A socialist economy would have strong privacy protections already in place regarding information shared on social media sites. See: Norway, Belguim, Netherlands, and other European nations.

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What FB has done in many other countries might be illegal, due to the social welfare laws of those countries. In the U.S., it's just commerce. Business as usual. No laws I am aware of have been broken on the part of FB here, only ((possibly)) third-party actors.

In a genuinely communist economy (classless, post-currency), there would be no economic incentive to mine data.

Ironically, those who decry socialism in all its forms the loudest are now seeking "big government" solutions to combat the inherently cancerous nature of capitalism.
 
bent christian said:


What FB has done in many other countries might be illegal, due to the social welfare laws of those countries. In the U.S., it's just commerce. Business as usual. No laws I am aware of have been broken on the part of FB here, only ((possibly)) third-party actors.
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leakage of personal data contrary to their stated privacy policies likely represents a violation of the EULA and I'm sure there will be (if not already) class action litigation in response. Failure to disclose it occurred presents another potential, both in notifying those breeched as well as disclosing to the shareholders as a material event.
 
kelpdiver said:
bent christian said:
What FB has done in many other countries might be illegal, due to the social welfare laws of those countries. In the U.S., it's just commerce. Business as usual. No laws I am aware of have been broken on the part of FB here, only ((possibly)) third-party actors.
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leakage of personal data contrary to their stated privacy policies likely represents a violation of the EULA and I'm sure there will be (if not already) class action litigation in response. Failure to disclose it occurred presents another potential, both in notifying those breeched as well as disclosing to the shareholders as a material event.
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EULAs are not law. They are an agreement between two private parties. You are going to have to post up the aspects of its EULA that you think Facebook violated. Class action suits are likely, though I don't think Facebook did anything illegal and lawsuits are not proof that they did. If you made the mistake of installing the Facebook app, you approved permissions to allow it access to phone contacts and other data.

In capitalism: Let the "buyer" beware. Use your heads, people.
 
bent christian said:
EULAs are not law. They are an agreement between two private parties. You are going to have to post up the aspects of its EULA that you think Facebook violated. Class action suits are likely, though I don't think Facebook did anything illegal and lawsuits are not proof that they did. If you made the mistake of installing the Facebook app, you approved permissions to allow it access to phone contacts and other data.

In capitalism: Let the "buyer" beware. Use your heads, people.
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breech of contract is a legal matter. Fraud is another.

If you want to differentiate between criminal law and contract law, fine, but that's not the same as 'FB broke no laws.'

Whether or not the Feds will do anything would depend on if Trump believes FB wronged him in any way. If it were an AWS matter, he'd have already raided their building.

Investors, otoh, aren't happy, and not just FB ones. Their actions dragged down the entire tech sector this month. Lots of short term losses.
 
photosen said:
But the end result for users is the same: stop using FaceBook, today.
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but how will I know, and actually see, what people I know are having for lunch today ? Missing out on that kind of critical information just isn't acceptable.
 
dwalby said:
photosen said:
But the end result for users is the same: stop using FaceBook, today.
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but how will I know, and actually see, what people I know are having for lunch today ? Missing out on that kind of critical information just isn't acceptable.
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If that's all you're seeing on Facebook maybe you need different freinds.

With the exception of an occasional birthday cake I have no idea what my freinds or family are having for lunch.
 
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