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I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
 
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
 
Speaking as a Frenchman, no.
 
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
 
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lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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Rick Knepper said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?

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If a camera is manufactured in China and exported to Japan for a Japanese company who will in turn export the camera to the USA, I don 't think the current tariff brouhaha will impact such transactions since Japan certainly has an exemption.

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Several Japanese camera manufacturers have production plants in China which for logistical reasons export their production directly to the end market countries rather than to Japan for re-export from there.

I suppose if the sh!t hits the fan then the companies concerned could do as you suggest, although the "Made in China" status would have to be hidden somehow and I'm sure that would be under close scrutiny.
 
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robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
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Maybe, maybe not. Trump is far less swayed by these tactics than his predecessors. Also, the majority of the public is onboard with his nationalistic policies. It is why he got elected. A trade war hurts the party that benefits from the imbalance more than the other. China is giving up food. We are giving up trinkets and products that we can produce here and will create jobs here and bring manufacturing back to the USA. Also, there are far fewer farmers these days as the agriculture industry has migrated to being run by large corporations. The impact to people are not as great as it once was as so much agricultural production has become automated.

The longer the trade war goes on the less we will need to buy from China over the long term. If the American public gets an attitude that China is exploiting them then they will boycott more Chinese products than the tariffs effect. Besides, Trump isn't just targeting China. He is tackling the USA's overall trade deficit. We have had tariffs applied against many of our products for decades and China is one of the worst perpetrators of this practice. As I said, China has more to lose long term from a trade war. They have 1.5 billion people to keep busy (and fed) and many of them are making goods that are shipped to the USA.
 
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MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
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Maybe, maybe not. Trump is far less swayed by these tactics than his predecessors. Also, the majority of the public is onboard with his nationalistic policies. It is why he got elected. A trade war hurts the party that benefits from the imbalance more than the other. China is giving up food.

We are giving up trinkets and products that we can produce here and will create jobs here and bring manufacturing back to the USA.
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In your dreams. It isn't going to happen.
MikeJ9116 said:
The longer the trade war goes on the less we will need to buy from China over the long term. If the American public gets an attitude that China is exploiting them then they will boycott more Chinese products than the tariffs effect. Besides, Trump isn't just targeting China. He is tackling the USA's overall trade deficit. We have had tariffs applied against many of our products for decades and China is one of the worst perpetrators of this practice. As I said, China has more to lose long term from a trade war. They have 1.5 billion people to keep busy and many of them are making goods that are shipped to the USA.
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Don't forget that China's production is rapidly shifting to supplying rapidly increasing domestic demand which is also growing faster than export demand. 'Only' 18% of China's exports go to the USA so while the US might think it has the biggest stick it isn't really that big. So the question is will the effect on US exports to China hurt US exporters and consumers more than the short term effect on the Chinese?
 
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robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
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Maybe, maybe not. Trump is far less swayed by these tactics than his predecessors. Also, the majority of the public is onboard with his nationalistic policies. It is why he got elected. A trade war hurts the party that benefits from the imbalance more than the other. China is giving up food.

We are giving up trinkets and products that we can produce here and will create jobs here and bring manufacturing back to the USA.
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In your dreams. It isn't going to happen.
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It isn't dreams. It is already happening. You haven't been reading the job reports the past year.
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The longer the trade war goes on the less we will need to buy from China over the long term. If the American public gets an attitude that China is exploiting them then they will boycott more Chinese products than the tariffs effect. Besides, Trump isn't just targeting China. He is tackling the USA's overall trade deficit. We have had tariffs applied against many of our products for decades and China is one of the worst perpetrators of this practice. As I said, China has more to lose long term from a trade war. They have 1.5 billion people to keep busy and many of them are making goods that are shipped to the USA.
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Don't forget that China's production is rapidly shifting to supplying rapidly increasing domestic demand which is also growing faster than export demand. 'Only' 18% of China's exports go to the USA so while the US might think it has the biggest stick it isn't really that big. So the question is will the effect on US exports to China hurt US exporters more than the short term effect on the Chinese?
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China is giving up food. Let's see how that works long term. We can shift who we sell food to as it is a commodity that is vital. China buys soybeans from another country who was selling to a third party. We sell to that third party instead of China. Do you think China is going to sell iPhones and other electronics to third world countries? Without selling to the USA much of their industry is dead in the water. Besides, we export less than $170 billion in goods to China. This is just a blip on what our total economic output is annually.
 
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MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
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Maybe, maybe not. Trump is far less swayed by these tactics than his predecessors. Also, the majority of the public is onboard with his nationalistic policies. It is why he got elected. A trade war hurts the party that benefits from the imbalance more than the other. China is giving up food.

We are giving up trinkets and products that we can produce here and will create jobs here and bring manufacturing back to the USA.
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In your dreams. It isn't going to happen.
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It isn't dreams. It is already happening. You haven't been reading the job reports the past year.
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You might like to read in what industries those jobs are being created. ;-)
MikeJ9116 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
The longer the trade war goes on the less we will need to buy from China over the long term. If the American public gets an attitude that China is exploiting them then they will boycott more Chinese products than the tariffs effect. Besides, Trump isn't just targeting China. He is tackling the USA's overall trade deficit. We have had tariffs applied against many of our products for decades and China is one of the worst perpetrators of this practice. As I said, China has more to lose long term from a trade war. They have 1.5 billion people to keep busy and many of them are making goods that are shipped to the USA.
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Don't forget that China's production is rapidly shifting to supplying rapidly increasing domestic demand which is also growing faster than export demand. 'Only' 18% of China's exports go to the USA so while the US might think it has the biggest stick it isn't really that big. So the question is will the effect on US exports to China hurt US exporters more than the short term effect on the Chinese?
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China is giving up food. Let's see how that works long term. We can shift who we sell food to as it is a commodity that is vital. China buys soybeans from another country who was selling to a third party. We sell to that third party instead of China. Do you think China is going to sell iPhones and other electronics to third world countries? Without selling to the USA much of their industry is dead in the water. Besides, we export less than $170 billion in goods to China. This is just a blip on what our total economic output is annually.
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Odd though it may seem I didn't really come to this forum for a half baked lecture on Trumpian economics and trade policy, so I'm out of here.
 
robblackett said:
Rick Knepper said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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Frequent buyer of stuff here. Prices already leveled or creeping up for cameras and electronics. I trust things will settle down won't be major price increases or disruptions in the items you're talking about.

The mfgrs. will likely continue value balancing to hold the line o n price. They are not all stuck with China only supply. Maybe Apple is most stuck there with all their mass quantities assembled there.

For example, though noticed and criticised for the brand individually, no one said thatcit was a common cost controlling matter for Canon, Pentax and Nikon to introduce those famous new both APSC and FF single card slot models. But with some more advanced electronics. I posted the same as long time ago and seemed that no one 'got it'.

Labor costs in China even got higher than some companies want to pay and they moved on. Parts cost more. Updated electronics and firmware not as much.There we're comsimtscthat KP and 6D2 and D7500 etc. cost too much and had been downgraded with parts removed! But that's how margins were held. Or else these would have cost even more!

PS. I'd say more if my camera gear comes from Thailand than China

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lambert4
lambert4 said:
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I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?

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Here's to learning something new everyday, and remembering it the next.
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If prices go up, I'm not buying. Economists are predicting nearly .25 million jobs will be lost in the US.

MAGA, right?
 
MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
Click to expand...
Maybe, maybe not. Trump is far less swayed by these tactics than his predecessors. Also, the majority of the public is onboard with his nationalistic policies. It is why he got elected. A trade war hurts the party that benefits from the imbalance more than the other. China is giving up food.

We are giving up trinkets and products that we can produce here and will create jobs here and bring manufacturing back to the USA.
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In your dreams. It isn't going to happen.
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It isn't dreams. It is already happening. You haven't been reading the job reports the past year.
MikeJ9116 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
The longer the trade war goes on the less we will need to buy from China over the long term. If the American public gets an attitude that China is exploiting them then they will boycott more Chinese products than the tariffs effect. Besides, Trump isn't just targeting China. He is tackling the USA's overall trade deficit. We have had tariffs applied against many of our products for decades and China is one of the worst perpetrators of this practice. As I said, China has more to lose long term from a trade war. They have 1.5 billion people to keep busy and many of them are making goods that are shipped to the USA.
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Don't forget that China's production is rapidly shifting to supplying rapidly increasing domestic demand which is also growing faster than export demand. 'Only' 18% of China's exports go to the USA so while the US might think it has the biggest stick it isn't really that big. So the question is will the effect on US exports to China hurt US exporters more than the short term effect on the Chinese?
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China is giving up food. Let's see how that works long term. We can shift who we sell food to as it is a commodity that is vital. China buys soybeans from another country who was selling to a third party. We sell to that third party instead of China. Do you think China is going to sell iPhones and other electronics to third world countries? Without selling to the USA much of their industry is dead in the water. Besides, we export less than $170 billion in goods to China. This is just a blip on what our total economic output is annually.
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Giving up food? you do realize they can buy elsewhere. They buy like you do: a combo of quality, shipping, taxes, price. So when say pork or soybeans get taxed (which is what a tariff is) they buy elsewhere. Like Brazil for soybeans.

And that's what hurts the US. Trump is targeting mostly Chinese tech and machine equipment because he doesn't wanna impact your average Walmart shopper by hitting up say kids clothes. Meanwhile, the Chinese just hit Iowa hard (I have friends who grow pork...they are VERY unhappy, as are their Republican reps). And also soybean states. They hit ag because the effect is more immediate. Americans aren't likely to see price increases in plane tickets for years to come as a result of Trump's taxes on their parts.

And US farmers can sell to others who are now deprived of their Brazilian soybeans. But will they earn as much money? no. They are capitalists in the US, so they sell for the most profit. Selling to their second choice (somebody who once bought from Brazil) isn't optimal. Just like if you had to sell your camera to Keh since DPR suddenly put a 25% tax on your for sale ad.
 
HRC2016 said:
If prices go up, I'm not buying. Economists are predicting nearly .25 million jobs will be lost in the US.

MAGA, right?
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Job creation has been exceeding estimates for several months. Over 3 million jobs have been added since Trump took office. This year 239k jobs were added in January, 313k in February and 240k in March. The unemployment rate is at 4.1%. That loss is small and will be absorbed easily. So yeah, MAGA is working quite well.
 
robgendreau said:
MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
robblackett said:
MikeJ9116 said:
lambert4 said:
I am in need of a replacement tablet, external hard drive, and likely a laptop. My existing system is a 2008/9 MacBook heavily upgraded over the years, an iPad2 and no desktop hard drive just redundant back up drives.

With the proposed 25% tariff on Chinese goods I wonder what the trickle down cost will be to consumers? I am thinking buying sooner than later could save me $100's if not more in USD, of course I am also looking forward to speeding up my workflow.

Any thoughts from those with a background or insight into the situation?
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I don't think this will balloon into an all out trade war. If you need it then buy it if you don't need it right now then don't buy it. Prices drop fast with tech gear as new tech comes to market so what you buy today will be less costly in the future thus negating any price increase due to tariffs. Also, I think China can handle a trade war far less that the USA since the trade deficit is far greater in their favor. They need us to buy their stuff far more than we need to buy their stuff.
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I think that is what your government would like you to believe. Nobody wins in a trade war, however the Chinese are probably being a lot smarter than you guys and their response is that their tariffs are being selectively targeted on exports from your red states. Once the implications of those sink in to the producers in the states concerned, and they start to bleat like crazy, then I suspect there will be some sheepish backpedalling.
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Maybe, maybe not. Trump is far less swayed by these tactics than his predecessors. Also, the majority of the public is onboard with his nationalistic policies. It is why he got elected. A trade war hurts the party that benefits from the imbalance more than the other. China is giving up food.

We are giving up trinkets and products that we can produce here and will create jobs here and bring manufacturing back to the USA.
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In your dreams. It isn't going to happen.
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It isn't dreams. It is already happening. You haven't been reading the job reports the past year.
robgendreau said:
robgendreau said:
The longer the trade war goes on the less we will need to buy from China over the long term. If the American public gets an attitude that China is exploiting them then they will boycott more Chinese products than the tariffs effect. Besides, Trump isn't just targeting China. He is tackling the USA's overall trade deficit. We have had tariffs applied against many of our products for decades and China is one of the worst perpetrators of this practice. As I said, China has more to lose long term from a trade war. They have 1.5 billion people to keep busy and many of them are making goods that are shipped to the USA.
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Don't forget that China's production is rapidly shifting to supplying rapidly increasing domestic demand which is also growing faster than export demand. 'Only' 18% of China's exports go to the USA so while the US might think it has the biggest stick it isn't really that big. So the question is will the effect on US exports to China hurt US exporters more than the short term effect on the Chinese?
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China is giving up food. Let's see how that works long term. We can shift who we sell food to as it is a commodity that is vital. China buys soybeans from another country who was selling to a third party. We sell to that third party instead of China. Do you think China is going to sell iPhones and other electronics to third world countries? Without selling to the USA much of their industry is dead in the water. Besides, we export less than $170 billion in goods to China. This is just a blip on what our total economic output is annually.
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Giving up food? you do realize they can buy elsewhere. They buy like you do: a combo of quality, shipping, taxes, price. So when say pork or soybeans get taxed (which is what a tariff is) they buy elsewhere. Like Brazil for soybeans.
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China isn't the only country buying soybeans. They take part of Brazil's crop and pay a higher price. Then we sell to the countries Brazil was selling to before they diverted part of their crop to China. Plus, no country is more efficient at producing food than the USA. They won't buy it any cheaper from someone else than they will from the USA.
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And that's what hurts the US. Trump is targeting mostly Chinese tech and machine equipment because he doesn't wanna impact your average Walmart shopper by hitting up say kids clothes. Meanwhile, the Chinese just hit Iowa hard (I have friends who grow pork...they are VERY unhappy, as are their Republican reps). And also soybean states. They hit ag because the effect is more immediate. Americans aren't likely to see price increases in plane tickets for years to come as a result of Trump's taxes on their parts.
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Trump is targeting goods that China is subsidizing and dumping on the USA, and other countries, below fair market prices. Do you know Europe has placed a stiff tariff on Chinese steel for years and years for the same reasons? Our corrupt politicians have been allowing China to dump subsidized steel into the USA for decades and Trump knows it has to stop. Do you know how many USA goods China has applied tariffs to for decades? Look it up. Trump is doing to them what they have been doing to us for a very long time. Why do you think we have such a massive trade deficit with China and other countries? Check the price of a cantaloupe in Japan and then check the tariffs they put on certain produce. The USA has been abused for decades regarding trade policy. This has decimated the US middle class.
robgendreau said:
And US farmers can sell to others who are now deprived of their Brazilian soybeans. But will they earn as much money? no. They are capitalists in the US, so they sell for the most profit. Selling to their second choice (somebody who once bought from Brazil) isn't optimal. Just like if you had to sell your camera to Keh since DPR suddenly put a 25% tax on your for sale ad.
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No one can produce food as efficiently as the USA. We will find plenty of buyers for food and will not lose anything in the process. It is China that will pay more for food if they go elsewhere. It is the country that has the trade surplus that gets hurt the worst in a trade war. With such a massive imbalance between the USA and China, they have far more to lose than us. As I said, nothing China sells to the USA is as important as food. Especially when China can't produce enough food internally to feed its 1.5 BILLION population.
 
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MikeJ9116 said:
HRC2016 said:
If prices go up, I'm not buying. Economists are predicting nearly .25 million jobs will be lost in the US.

MAGA, right?
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Job creation has been exceeding estimates for several months. Over 3 million jobs have been added since Trump took office. This year 239k jobs were added in January, 313k in February and 240k in March. The unemployment rate is at 4.1%. That loss is small and will be absorbed easily. So yeah, MAGA is working quite well.
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I was wondering where the Off Topic forum went.
 
tcg550 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
HRC2016 said:
If prices go up, I'm not buying. Economists are predicting nearly .25 million jobs will be lost in the US.

MAGA, right?
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Job creation has been exceeding estimates for several months. Over 3 million jobs have been added since Trump took office. This year 239k jobs were added in January, 313k in February and 240k in March. The unemployment rate is at 4.1%. That loss is small and will be absorbed easily. So yeah, MAGA is working quite well.
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I was wondering where the Off Topic forum went.
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Welcome, as a fellow "off topic" contributor.
 
I'm glad Japan made all the camera most of us uses:
  • High End Canon DSLR are made in JAPAN only
  • High End Canon L lens are also made in JAPAN only
  • low End Canon DSLR are made in TAIWAN (...not part of China ;-) )
  • low End Canon lens are made in TAIWAN
Sony has production camera production facility in Japan and Thailand. While some cheap Sony Point/Shoot were Chinese made, most of the P&S have died and shifted all the production to Thailand.

AFAIK, almost all Panasonic are made in Japan. I believe the biggest Japanese Camera company that actually did invested in China is NIKON. Who just shutdown its plant 6 months ago. There should be almost NO IMPACT in term of camera.

But for Cheap Chinese made FILTERS & ACCESSORIES, the price will go up.
 
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