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Latest update with new profiles doesn't produce a file with the same color as the Camera Raw rendering. Both files are the same color space, Adobe 1998. So the problem isn't a screen profile problem. Here is a screen capture of the issue;



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Notice that the reds in the Camera Raw rendering versus the Photoshop rendering. They seem to disappear. This problem does not exist with the updated Lightroom. Work around, don't use Camera Raw!
 
Opened the SDK for ACR and Lightroom Profile making. Using their provided file, I opened it in Camera Raw and exported a smart object to Photoshop. Here is the difference in the color rendering;



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Adobe, we have a problem.
 
I am not seeing that here. Did you update PS at the same time as ACR? I am at Photoshop 19.1.3 and ACR 10.3.0.933.

I also use 16bit Prophoto RGB instead of 8bit aRGB, but I don't suspect that to be the difference.
 
gscotten said:
I am not seeing that here. Did you update PS at the same time as ACR? I am at Photoshop 19.1.3 and ACR 10.3.0.933.

I also use 16bit Prophoto RGB instead of 8bit aRGB, but I don't suspect that to be the difference.
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Out of curiosity, do you get the same behavior if smart objects aren’t involved? I only ask because they seem to be involved in both of the examples you posted.
 
I tried both as a smart object and not, and mine worked correctly both ways. Have you checked your Photoshop color settings?
 
gscotten said:
I tried both as a smart object and not, and mine worked correctly both ways. Have you checked your Photoshop color settings?

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Went through and assured that all settings in ACR, Photoshop and Lightroom were set to Adobe 1998 8 bit. Re-exported the file from Adobe again. Identical results as shown above. The export is less saturated and slight more cyan than the ACR rendering.

Again, this is not the case with the same file, color space, and export size in Lightroom.

I checked each files color profile to insure that the ACR and LIghtroom files are identical and they are.

So, my only conclusion is not to use ACR/Photoshop for process my RAW files.
 
Two additional things you can double check in Photoshop:

1) Verify that you don’t accidentally have proof colors active. No check mark next to View -> Proof Colors

2) Verify that Photoshop is using the correct monitor profile. Click on the “RGB” popup menu in the Working Spaces portion of PS Color Settings. The entry shown next to “Monitor RGB” should be the same icc profile that is set for your display in the Windows OS Color Management settings. You just want to verify this and not actually select it as the working space from the menu.



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Went back into the color settings for Photoshop. At the bottom right corner is a warning about CC apps not being color sync'd. In order to make them color sync, you go into Bridge and open Color Settings. There are a list of Synchronized color spaces. I chose North America General Purpose 2. Now Bride's rendering of the Adobe DNG test file is identical to Lightroom and the Photoshop rendering. However, ACR is still way off. So it seems the problem is only with ACR as everyone else shows the same color. Of course none of these problems existed until this weeks Update!
 
KBStudio said:
Went back into the color settings for Photoshop. At the bottom right corner is a warning about CC apps not being color sync'd. In order to make them color sync, you go into Bridge and open Color Settings. There are a list of Synchronized color spaces. I chose North America General Purpose 2.
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This requirement has been around quite some time now. I'm surprised you've never noticed it before. I remember having to do this a couple of years ago. That said, you shouldn't need to do it again unless wit was never done to begin with - That is this last update didn't require me to redo these settings. You can also customize the setting and save them. Then open bridge and use them...

Photoshop...

Photoshop Color settings.
Photoshop Color settings.

Adobe Bridge...

Adobe Bridge Color Settings.
Adobe Bridge Color Settings.

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ADMint said:
KBStudio said:
Went back into the color settings for Photoshop. At the bottom right corner is a warning about CC apps not being color sync'd. In order to make them color sync, you go into Bridge and open Color Settings. There are a list of Synchronized color spaces. I chose North America General Purpose 2.
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This requirement has been around quite some time now. I'm surprised you've never noticed it before. I remember having to do this a couple of years ago. That said, you shouldn't need to do it again unless wit was never done to begin with - That is this last update didn't require me to redo these settings. You can also customize the setting and save them. Then open bridge and use them...

Photoshop...

Photoshop Color settings.
Photoshop Color settings.

Adobe Bridge...

Adobe Bridge Color Settings.
Adobe Bridge Color Settings.

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Look kid, there’s the beginning and the end; all that stuff in the middle is positioning for where you finish.
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The reason I never saw this is that I had given up on Bridge a good five plus years ago. I use Lightroom for all Data Asset Management. Bridge was redundant and most of the features I used in the past had been removed in the newer versions. However, selecting the NAGP 2 setting did not solve the color issue with ACR.
 
Calibrated my monitors this yesterday and lo and behold all images now match. ACR, exported PSDs in Photoshop and Lightroom Develop module. All now render exactly the same. So it seems that the ICC profiles were in need of calibration. Should have done this earlier.
 
KBStudio said:
Calibrated my monitors this yesterday and lo and behold all images now match. ACR, exported PSDs in Photoshop and Lightroom Develop module. All now render exactly the same. So it seems that the ICC profiles were in need of calibration. Should have done this earlier.
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1000 percent agree monitor calibration is key.

That said, it still doesn't explain (to me) why you had different color renderings since the differences occurred on the same monitor (calibrated or not). Unless of course you forgot to state the images were coming from a different machine?

Anyway whatever you did sorted itself so...
 
I was so hoping to find the answer to this issue with the update to the latest ACR update. I'm having the EXACT same problem, and I'm on one system, opening a file from Lightroom directly into Photoshop, and the colors do not match. :-|

I cannot figure out how to revert back to the old version of ACR. The only thing I've been able to do as a workaround is to open the DNG file from Photoshop directly. From there, it opens the file in Camera Raw for me to confirm the adjustments, which are the same adjustments I made in LR, and then it opens the file in Photoshop. But if I right-click on the file in Lightroom, and choose to "Edit in Photoshop", it opens in Photoshop with different colors.

Please help!
 
coffeehouse1974 said:
I was so hoping to find the answer to this issue with the update to the latest ACR update. I'm having the EXACT same problem, and I'm on one system, opening a file from Lightroom directly into Photoshop, and the colors do not match. :-|
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I might have answered your question above?

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Look kid, there’s the beginning and the end; all that stuff in the middle is positioning for where you finish.
 
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coffeehouse1974 said:
I was so hoping to find the answer to this issue with the update to the latest ACR update. I'm having the EXACT same problem, and I'm on one system, opening a file from Lightroom directly into Photoshop, and the colors do not match. :-|

I cannot figure out how to revert back to the old version of ACR. The only thing I've been able to do as a workaround is to open the DNG file from Photoshop directly. From there, it opens the file in Camera Raw for me to confirm the adjustments, which are the same adjustments I made in LR, and then it opens the file in Photoshop. But if I right-click on the file in Lightroom, and choose to "Edit in Photoshop", it opens in Photoshop with different colors.

Please help!
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It might be that Photoshop and Lightroom are not using the same color space. Check you settings in both to insure they are identical. I use Adobe 1998 in both, but as long as they are the same color space, both windows should render the color identically.

I also recommend calibration of your monitor. Both Lightroom and Photoshop do use the icc profile created when you calibrate. To what degree, I don really know. Just from experience, it has made a difference in my setup.
 
KBStudio said:
coffeehouse1974 said:
I was so hoping to find the answer to this issue with the update to the latest ACR update. I'm having the EXACT same problem, and I'm on one system, opening a file from Lightroom directly into Photoshop, and the colors do not match. :-|

I cannot figure out how to revert back to the old version of ACR. The only thing I've been able to do as a workaround is to open the DNG file from Photoshop directly. From there, it opens the file in Camera Raw for me to confirm the adjustments, which are the same adjustments I made in LR, and then it opens the file in Photoshop. But if I right-click on the file in Lightroom, and choose to "Edit in Photoshop", it opens in Photoshop with different colors.

Please help!
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It might be that Photoshop and Lightroom are not using the same color space.
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It won't if don't do your settings. And they both use the same Camera RAW version so things should be sync there.
 
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