80D to M50?

Hey guys, so I posted the following message to the 80D board and the response I got was largely talking about how the m50 isn't great cus the 4k is rubbish, it's overpriced etc etc. So i'm going to try and post here for more balanced advice.

"Hey guys,

So I'm somewhat new to the 80D system, and i love it. Now with the new M50 my life has been complicated a bit.

I use my 80D, mostly for making short videos while travelling and so on, but recently I've decided to add more day to day life vlogging videos as i prepare for an upcoming bodybuilding competition. Now the 80D is a phenomenal camera and I have very little to complain about... ExCEPT for the size of the whole 'vlogging setup'. I use a Sigma 24mm f1. 4 as my main lens and just carrying this camera around for day to day vlogging is a bit too heavy. Again, it doesnt really stop me using it but it would be great to save a bit of weight.

Now with the release of the M50, it seems to offer everything the 80D does. Of course i love the battery life of the 80D and the top display, as well as all the buttons on the 80D,but i just can't help but appreciate the sheer size advantage of the m50.

Now my local store has offered me £750 to trade in my current setup and to buy the m50 for £639 which leave me with £100 to buy the EF-S to M mount so i can still use my sigma lens on the M50.

What do you guys think? Is the M50 essentially the same as the 80D?or should i stick with the 80D"

Basically, I own an 80D. I want something to somewhat downsize from the 80D considerably, that offers essentially the same features as the 80D - namely 1080p @60fps, the Canon colours off the camera, the DPAF as well as the lens compatibility with my 50mm f1.8 and 24mm f1.4. Switching to Sony is not really something I want to do - I love the NFC connect, the flip out screen etc. I'm being offered essentially a straight swap at my camera store. I'm put off by the fact that the M50 has a rubbish battery, plus the awkward position of the battery/SD card. However, with everything else it seems to offer identical quality & features to my 80D, as well as the lens compatibility if i buy the adapter.

From people who have used M cameras, what do you guys think? Should I stick to the 80D until maybe an M5mkii comes out, or possibly the 90D? Or just swap to the M50 platform and use the hell out of it for the next year or so until the new stock is announced?

Thanks guys.

Wow, I had no idea it uses LP-E12 and not E17. That's ridiculous.

Unfortunately M5's screen can't be fully tilted, so that's the only thing that makes it less suitable for vlogging. M6's screen can be fully tilted, so in case you don't need a built-in EVF, and want a more compact camera, it would work great. I think it would be a great replacement if you don't need the built-in EVF, or if you'd be fine with the EVF-DC2 or DC1. (but no full tilt with the external EVF)

Also, M5, M6, M50, all have better low-light performance than 80D

At least according to the dpreview studio scene pictures, M50's JPEG quality is horrible compared to the previous models', with some ridiculous warm color tint, so consider that. The RAW color is fine.

Also, in case it matters to you, only Canon's software supports the new CR3 (used in M50) RAW format right now.

Hey.

Probably only you can know, if you can live with its shortcoming and be happy for its advantages. 80D is very good piece of gear, but I would buy M50 instead of 80D any day, because it fits my needs better. I got these sorted out. How about yours?

Anyway, in my country, M50 is so cheap already, that it would be worth to buy it anyway, and if you don´t like it, sell it with something like $80-100 loss. The experience is totally worth it. Sometimes, you use your money to learn.

moose974 said:

Hey guys, so I posted the following message to the 80D board and the response I got was largely talking about how the m50 isn't great cus the 4k is rubbish, it's overpriced etc etc. So i'm going to try and post here for more balanced advice.

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LOL I just went over and read that thread, but thought it actually contained some very useful information you could use. Albeit there was one post by a member who's been down on the M50 from the beginning. Just weed out the info that doesn't align with your own (pre)conceptions. ;-)

That said, a lot of us do shoot from multiple platforms (and even multiple manuf). The (big) DSLR has been my main go-to camera for a long time, as I've always needed the enhanced performance, esp for sports and BIFs (and its reliability for paid shoots).

But enter the groundbreaking M5 with its excellent Dual Pixel sensor (I've absolutely loved it on my 70D). Finally I could get that great DPAF in a MUCH smaller package!

So I bought the M5 and a bunch of M lenses (plus EF lens adapters, extra batts, smaller flash, etc etc). And it ROCKS. I've been using it for everything except my fast action stuff now (mainly BIFs as of late). I truly couldn't be happier!

So see which body suits you most (M50 maybe?), then go try it out. Maybe you'll wind up being a single platform (M Series) shooter!

Best of luck to you!

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Thanks for the response.

I do agree that the DPAF and the entire canon platform has been a pleasure to use that I don't quite feel the need to switch over. The M50s body seems to be the most appealing aspect - it offers otherwise the same as my 80D for my purposes.

Its a shame the M50 is so darn new, all the stores local to me have it on preorder only.

R2D2 said:

So I bought the M5 and a bunch of M lenses (plus EF lens adapters, extra batts, smaller flash, etc etc). And it ROCKS.

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@R2D2: Totally offtopic, but what kind of "smaller flash" did you find for the M5? I have the 430 EX II but was looking for some smaller options with no luck so far. So I appreciate any suggestions on it. Thanks!

@OP: It depends on your use. If you want a fast and reliable camera I think dslr is still the way to go. I went from a (I know it is quite old but still good) 450D to the M5 and I find the dslr much more responsive.

On the M5 (not M50 though) adjustment of different settings (ISO for example) are slowed down with unnecessary animations on the display/EVF, card write speed is painfully slow, etc... so for serious work I would not rely on Canon mirrorless just yet.

But if you (like me) just want it for landscape/cityscape/holiday/casual use then it is perfectly fine.

I have the original M and it's a great camera to carry everywhere especially at parties where you don't want to lug a big dSLR. I love the features of the M50 and am actually planning to get it. I'm a photographer first and foremost and hardly shoot videos. People complain about the 4K crop but for people who doesn't use 4K 1080p is fine for video. The M50 is feature rich and to downplay it because of the 4K is ridiculous. I'm also glad it uses the same battery as the original M which I can use with it. To combat the crop 4k then the 11-22mm M lens will suffice if you want wide angled shots and is still going to be light. I have the 10-22mm EF-S lens for my 70D and the EF-M lens adapter so 4K will be usable.

moose974 said:

Thanks for the response.

I do agree that the DPAF and the entire canon platform has been a pleasure to use that I don't quite feel the need to switch over. The M50s body seems to be the most appealing aspect - it offers otherwise the same as my 80D for my purposes.

Its a shame the M50 is so darn new, all the stores local to me have it on preorder only.

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it will soon be available

www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless

Spent the last couple of wweks in Japan.

The build quality of the M50 is comparable to a Rebel T6.

No dials enough for me.. If you go Canon ML, go M5 or wait for a full frame announcement coming this year, both for a FF and a enthusiast APS-C to replace the M5.

Just saying.

role_of_72 said:

R2D2 said:

So I bought the M5 and a bunch of M lenses (plus EF lens adapters, extra batts, smaller flash, etc etc). And it ROCKS.

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@R2D2: Totally offtopic, but what kind of "smaller flash" did you find for the M5? I have the 430 EX II but was looking for some smaller options with no luck so far. So I appreciate any suggestions on it. Thanks!

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Hi Role-O'

I have the 580EX II which is a great flash; nice and powerful. But I wanted something a LOT smaller for the M5. So I bought the teeny Canon 90EX (uses 2 AAA batteries). Guide number is 9 meters, so it's about 4x the power of the built-in flash. I use it mainly for macros. BTW, Canon flashes are named according to their Guide Number (in meters)...

580 (58 meters)

430 (43 meters)

270 (27 meters)

etc etc.

Here is the 90EX flash at @mazon

I might also get the 270EX II for more general shooting (it bounces). It's also quite a bit more powerful.

270EX II flash

role_of_72 said:

@OP: It depends on your use. If you want a fast and reliable camera I think dslr is still the way to go. I went from a (I know it is quite old but still good) 450D to the M5 and I find the dslr much more responsive.

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Hmmm. The Autofocus can be slower (esp Servo AF for fast action, and some low light AF with the 15-45), but I haven't noticed it being any less responsive than my 70D in any other way.

role_of_72 said:

On the M5 (not M50 though) adjustment of different settings (ISO for example) are slowed down with unnecessary animations on the display/EVF

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I think some of your settings/menu selections might be slowing things down. I don't have any animations when I adjust settings. Comb through your menu settings carefully.

role_of_72 said:

card write speed is painfully slow, etc... so for serious work I would not rely on Canon mirrorless just yet.

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What card are you using? My files write Very quickly (I shoot RAW-only). I've been using the SanDisk Extreme Pro cards for many years. Highly recommend them.

role_of_72 said:

But if you (like me) just want it for landscape/cityscape/holiday/casual use then it is perfectly fine.

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Absolutely love it for that.

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M50 is a great option for vlogging