Adapter-based lenses even worth the time? does sony glass really rule?

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Just bought first A7 III, my first semi expensive camera ever besidfes the rx100 i got on a deal.

Question: how does adapter-based lenses compare with sony GM or other highly talked about sony FE mount lenses?

If there are actual good adapters and lenses (since im looking for cheaper alternatives clearly), are there any really good adapters?

good lenses?

maybe: 12-24, 16-35, maybe a 50? or 85?

someone told me that with their a7r III that they tried the adapter and found all glasses couldnt do AF well and had CA or distortion. That biothers me lol.

Convince me otherwise?
 
No idea why I should convince you.

Adapters don't add CA.

Native lenses will AF better, but you can get pretty good AF with adapted lenses. Whether it's good enough depends on your needs, expectations, and skills.

The best lenses you can use on these cameras are better than the best native lenses available for them. E.g. the Zeiss Otus lenses.
 
Some people really like adapted lenses, but I found that it wasn't worthwhile due to lesser autofocus performance, which is important to me.

Native good cheap lenses, can be had for cheaper if you do greentoe or look for deals/used/open box:

28mm f2 $420

50mm f1.8 $200

85mm f1.8 $550

Above $1000 I suggest the 24-105mm f4, very well-rated and $1300 that covers a wide variety of focal lengths.

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No idea why I should convince you.

Adapters don't add CA.

Native lenses will AF better, but you can get pretty good AF with adapted lenses. Whether it's good enough depends on your needs, expectations, and skills.

The best lenses you can use on these cameras are better than the best native lenses available for them. E.g. the Zeiss Otus lenses.
 
I should also say that people mention to only get lenses on DXOmark? but they seem to have only reviewed a few lenses and there are tons not listed on there. So I guess I am a bit lost more than I want to be? lol

I do notice that people mention that f/X where x is the aperture? but they say that lower numbers are always sharper and better quality no matter what? is that true?
 
Just bought first A7 III, my first semi expensive camera ever besidfes the rx100 i got on a deal.
ok.......good luck
Question: how does adapter-based lenses compare with sony GM or other highly talked about sony FE mount lenses?
what are you looking for? auto focus ? pure iq?

no offense but it sounds like you don't understand the subject at hand.......
If there are actual good adapters and lenses
good is a relative term
(since im looking for cheaper alternatives clearly),
well then why discuss GM lenses.......do you have an actual budget? desired focal lengths?
are there any really good adapters?
using the relative term......yes
good lenses?
yes........
maybe: 12-24,
native . it is one of the few native lenses that beats the competition in every category
the canon f4 is a mixe bag but by the time you pay for it and an adapter you could buy the sony
maybe a 50?
native......1.8?
native again......1.8? are you willing to use manual lenses? want 1.4?
someone told me that with their a7r III that they tried the adapter and found all glasses couldnt do AF well
a lot of users on here are somewhat to very satisfied with adapted canon af
and had CA
adapters dont add CA
or distortion.
adapted glaas doesnt have in camera correction. this can be done in post
That biothers me lol.

Convince me otherwise?
no. there are pros and cons
 
Just bought first A7 III, my first semi expensive camera ever besidfes the rx100 i got on a deal.
ok.......good luck
Question: how does adapter-based lenses compare with sony GM or other highly talked about sony FE mount lenses?
what are you looking for? auto focus ? pure iq?

no offense but it sounds like you don't understand the subject at hand.......
If there are actual good adapters and lenses
good is a relative term
(since im looking for cheaper alternatives clearly),
well then why discuss GM lenses.......do you have an actual budget? desired focal lengths?
are there any really good adapters?
using the relative term......yes
good lenses?
yes........
maybe: 12-24,
native . it is one of the few native lenses that beats the competition in every category
the canon f4 is a mixe bag but by the time you pay for it and an adapter you could buy the sony
maybe a 50?
native......1.8?
native again......1.8? are you willing to use manual lenses? want 1.4?
someone told me that with their a7r III that they tried the adapter and found all glasses couldnt do AF well
a lot of users on here are somewhat to very satisfied with adapted canon af
and had CA
adapters dont add CA
or distortion.
adapted glaas doesnt have in camera correction. this can be done in post
That biothers me lol.

Convince me otherwise?
no. there are pros and cons
Sorry for the nooby appearance, it's clearly because I am. Apologies on not providing more information as well but there is no need for the subtle rudeness either. Benefits nobody. That being said, I suppose AF would be more ideal but I am not personally sure how useful MF would be under vlogging considerations? Perhaps it can be done but it seems like most use AF correct?

I did see the 55 f1.8 zeiss lens that looked decent but i heard there is some focus breathing and faint motor noises. seems like the IQ is good with minor distortion?

85 anything i feel like i wouldnt use a ton so im more leaning on something like a 24mm and lower or a 16-35mm type or perhaps a prime lens of sorts. As far as the f/x portion, i assume since the A7 III has better low light benefits, that i could get away with the higher f/x lenses. But what worries me about f/2 and above, is the image quality both in photo and video. I know that I am new and still learning and I apologize for being confusing. I just don't want to invest in adapters and lenses only to find out I cant return them because most are probably used lenses, and then I take a loss or whatever the case may be. So I wanted to hone in on those who have tried this or that for inputs really.
 
Yes.

No.
 
If this is your first investment into an ecosystem then there is no reason to consider adapted lenses. Adapted lenses are generally for people who have changed from one ecosystem to another. There maybe some exceptions but that is usually the case.

Sony's high end lenses (GM) are generally more expensive then other brands of equal focal length and speed. So people switching from Canon for example, adapt Canon lenses so that they don't lose too much in the change.

I came from Canon and I still use about 4 Canon lenses on my A7II and A6500. I use the Metabones 4 adapter. I have absolutely no issues with the focus speed as I don't shoot sports or anything that requires lightening fast AF. The problem is the focus area with the Metabones adapter is reduced substantially.

There are plenty of good inexpensive native FE lenses:

50 1.8, 85 1.8, 28 2.0 and wait for that highly anticipated Tamron 28-75 2.8 FE!
 
Video AF is one area where native lenses currently have a big advantage over adapted. I understand that a lot of videographers shoot MF with follow focus, but not all. Personally, I do zero video, so all I can go by is what I hear from others, and what I saw at VMworld in Vegas, where pretty much all the videographers were shooting A7Ss (or SIIs) with Canon lenses.

The 12-24 is a really excellent lens and has very low distortion for something covering its field of view. I suspect that what you're seeing isn't distortion, per se, but simply that the much wider than normal field of view is not what you're used to seeing or what you want for your videos.
 
Just bought first A7 III, my first semi expensive camera ever besidfes the rx100 i got on a deal.
ok.......good luck
Question: how does adapter-based lenses compare with sony GM or other highly talked about sony FE mount lenses?
what are you looking for? auto focus ? pure iq?

no offense but it sounds like you don't understand the subject at hand.......
If there are actual good adapters and lenses
good is a relative term
(since im looking for cheaper alternatives clearly),
well then why discuss GM lenses.......do you have an actual budget? desired focal lengths?
are there any really good adapters?
using the relative term......yes
good lenses?
yes........
maybe: 12-24,
native . it is one of the few native lenses that beats the competition in every category
the canon f4 is a mixe bag but by the time you pay for it and an adapter you could buy the sony
maybe a 50?
native......1.8?
native again......1.8? are you willing to use manual lenses? want 1.4?
someone told me that with their a7r III that they tried the adapter and found all glasses couldnt do AF well
a lot of users on here are somewhat to very satisfied with adapted canon af
and had CA
adapters dont add CA
or distortion.
adapted glaas doesnt have in camera correction. this can be done in post
That biothers me lol.

Convince me otherwise?
no. there are pros and cons
Sorry for the nooby appearance, it's clearly because I am.
that is no problem. we all start somewhere
Apologies on not providing more information as well but there is no need for the subtle rudeness either. Benefits nobody.
sorry if I sounded rude. Sometimes my writing style is just short and blunt. I especially am guilty of it on long winding questions.
That being said, I suppose AF would be more ideal but I am not personally sure how useful MF would be under vlogging considerations?
what sort of vlogging?
Perhaps it can be done but it seems like most use AF correct?
kelley explains this. The a7iii screen doesn't face forward if you are a one man setup.
I did see the 55 f1.8 zeiss lens that looked decent but i heard there is some focus breathing and faint motor noises.
focus breathing yes. some


i thought the lens was pretty silent but i don't run a lot of video
seems like the IQ is good with minor distortion?
excellent with a little easily corrected distortion.
85 anything i feel like i wouldnt use a ton so im more leaning on something like a 24mm and lower or a 16-35mm type or perhaps a prime lens of sorts. As far as the f/x portion, i assume since the A7 III has better low light benefits, that i could get away with the higher f/x lenses. But what worries me about f/2 and above, is the image quality both in photo and video.
well. you need light. light is what is being recorded.


the fastest lenses are not always the sharpest
I know that I am new and still learning and I apologize for being confusing
completely understandable.
. I just don't want to invest in adapters and lenses only to find out I cant return them because most are probably used lenses, and then I take a loss or whatever the case may be.
there are rental houses. lens rentals perhaps. there will also be videos popping up. Jason Lainer has an eye af video using a canon lens, sony body a7iii, and sigma mc11 adapter
So I wanted to hone in on those who have tried this or that for inputs really.
It is a long subject. You have nine different bodies, a dozen or more adapters,and then hundreds of lenses. You can search through volumes of conversations about it on here BuT none of the conversations will be about the a7iiiyet

So a short general summary. Discussing af glass with builtin motors. Adapted works in most cases. Canon EF and Sony A lenses adapt the best generally. You will not get any in camera lens corrections. this can be done in post though. You will not get access to all features that you would with Sony lenses and the af will almost definitely be a little faster with Sony lenses. Most adapted lenses focus fast enough for casual use on the newer bodies though

My personal story. I got into Sony on the cheap. I added the cheapest adapted glass I could and built a kit for $1500 or so all adapted except the 28-70. This covered 19-300 with two primes. The a7ii got me mediocre af with adapted glass and I upgraded in both sony and canon glass along the way. Replacing dirt cheap UWA with a mid cost one. Buying excellent but expensive primes in either mount. The a7rii was a double edged sword. It jumped af to a speed that I could live with 95% of the time. It also took the glassthat I already new wasn't great and highlighted how poor it was.

So slowly along the way I learned that you get what you pay for MOSt of the time. I also learned all my glass didn't need to be the "best". The 55 would be an example. It beats the 50 1.8 in EVErY category except price. FOR me it just made more sense to have the cheap 50 and the sony 85 . I had to make that call. You will also have to navigate that most of the conversations on here regarding IQ revolve around the 42 mp sensor. On the 24 mp sensor it is harder to see minute differences in glass

good luck
 
depends what you are looking for.

I like some of the legacy RF lens because it makes for a compact system and I also have larger lens to have the better IQ.
 
They are probably not the best option unless you already have Canon EF mount lenses.

When I bought the a6300 to replace my Nex-5r, I started with adapted glass because I didn’t have a native option for a 70-200 2.8, as Sony did not yet have a 70-200 2.8 in e-mount. I picked up a Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC in EF mount, and added a Canon 50mm 1.8. Price wise, I was able to pick up the Tamron lens, the Canon lens, the a6300 body, and the Metabones Speedbooster, all for less than the $2700 or so price point at which Sony released their 70-200 2.8. I’ve since added the MC-11 adapter.

I’ve been very happy with the adapted lenses, normal AF is fast and accurate and functionality has been increasing with firmware updates. And every EF mount lens that I’ve tried has worked well with both adapters, including Canon’s trinity of lenses and the Tamron 150-600 (none of which I own).

But not all AF functions have been available to me, AF-C doesn’t really work and AF for video is inconsistent and unreliable. Since then, I’ve added some native lenses and will eventually replace the Tamron with a native lens when I can afford to do so. I may even be able to hold out until Tamron or Sigma releases a 70-200 2.8 in e-mount. But until then, I’ll continue to enjoy using the one that have with the adapter.

I don’t yet know to what degree the AF will work with my adapted lenses on the a7iii, but I preordered the a7iii and will find out soon enough. But if some YouTube videos are accurate, it should have increased AF functionality over the a6300 with adapted lenses.

Bottom line, my opinion is that you are better off starting with native lenses as much as possible, and there are now many options for e-mount lenses, with more on their way. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say that adapted lenses aren’t worth the time. Adapting the Tamron lens allowed me to get out and shoot with a 70-200 2.8 when I would otherwise have had to make do with whatever other focal lengths I could find at the time.
 
Depends on your standards and end uses.


I adapt my 3.5-5.6 zoom and 14mm because I figure the depths of field on those are so long a little plane tilt is no big deal. But now that there is an abundance of fast native primes for not much money I don't bother for that end use.

I will say some fast primes I've used in the past, like the FD 50 1.4 and Rokkor-X 45/2, were razor sharp with adapters, particularly stopped down. So it's up to you. If critical sharpness is key then you should probably go native, but in my experience it's not that big of a deal.
 
Video AF is one area where native lenses currently have a big advantage over adapted. I understand that a lot of videographers shoot MF with follow focus, but not all. Personally, I do zero video, so all I can go by is what I hear from others, and what I saw at VMworld in Vegas, where pretty much all the videographers were shooting A7Ss (or SIIs) with Canon lenses.

The 12-24 is a really excellent lens and has very low distortion for something covering its field of view. I suspect that what you're seeing isn't distortion, per se, but simply that the much wider than normal field of view is not what you're used to seeing or what you want for your videos.
 
For AF it is not worthwhile in my opinion, cause good adapters (latest MB) are expensive too. Makes only sense, in my opinion, if you already own a whole bunch of Canon lenses and are transitioning.

For MF there are tons of great choices at every price point. And MF is a pleasure to use with the Sony peaking and magnifier options. Give it a try. Maybe Olympus 24/2.8 could be a good starting point: https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/olympusom1n2/shared/zuiko/htmls/24mm1.htm

Or any of the Contax/Zeiss CY series, if you want to spend a bit more.
 
Video AF is one area where native lenses currently have a big advantage over adapted. I understand that a lot of videographers shoot MF with follow focus, but not all. Personally, I do zero video, so all I can go by is what I hear from others, and what I saw at VMworld in Vegas, where pretty much all the videographers were shooting A7Ss (or SIIs) with Canon lenses.

The 12-24 is a really excellent lens and has very low distortion for something covering its field of view. I suspect that what you're seeing isn't distortion, per se, but simply that the much wider than normal field of view is not what you're used to seeing or what you want for your videos.
 
The best lenses you can use on these cameras are better than the best native lenses available for them. E.g. the Zeiss Otus lenses.
Amen to that! Adapting AF lenses was useful in the transition from Canon to Sony but native works better and I eventually went "all native" for my AF lenses. I love being able to adapt MF lenses though - and A7rii, riii and 9 make awesome platforms for top-end glass. I keep my adapters solely for MF now.
 
Native, there is no reason to use (buy) other lenses.

Sony has some near to perfect low priced lenses. Advantage here is, the camera is fully functional for sure.

The real working condition of an adapted lens seems often a kind of perception of the user, one say's it's perfect the other say's it's no good or so so.

If you do not own lenses from another brand and you need to buy also an adapter there is no saving in money.
 
Native, there is no reason to use (buy) other lenses.

Sony has some near to perfect low priced lenses. Advantage here is, the camera is fully functional for sure.

The real working condition of an adapted lens seems often a kind of perception of the user, one say's it's perfect the other say's it's no good or so so.

If you do not own lenses from another brand and you need to buy also an adapter there is no saving in money.
There are not yet any native lenses that do this:

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Nor are there yet native ultrafast lenses (F1.2, etc). Nor are there yet native tilt/shift lenses.

An MC-11 can be had on sale for $149. A Tamron 70-300 for Canon EF is $129. The SEL70300G is a better lens, and will offer native features, but it's $1000, and the Tamron is really a lot of lens for the money. There are many other examples. There are certainly money saving options depending on the trade-offs in functionality that will work for you.

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A7-II with SEL2470Z and a number of adapted lenses (Canon FD, Minolta AF, Canon EF, Leica, Nikon...); NEX-7 converted to IR.
 
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