For the M50 junkies ...

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording.
Even though he started with a partially depleted battery, he ran through 3 back to back 10 minute cycles without any impact to the recording. On the fourth run with a red battery icon, the camera shut down halfway through the recording. Afterwards, he was able to start recording again only a few minutes later.
For how long, another five minutes? You are not seriously suggesting he would be able to record another 30 minutes. He was also recording in a comfortable room environment where AF was not in use. If someone wanted to record their kids football (soccer for you Americans) game in 30 degree weather, and was tracking their child, do you really think it will last that long? Unlike dishonest companies like Sony, honest ones, like Fuji, do not like to lie to their customers. That is why it has a recorded time of 10 minutes.
Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Fuji gets a "pass"? Really? The X-T20 shoots 4k video using the full sensor width (no crop) with the same AF capabilities as in stills mode. The only "limit" is the 10 minute recording time. Compare that to the M50 with an additional 1.6X crop and contrast detect AF.

For the 4k video I shoot, the X-T20 can meet all of my needs, and the M50 is completely unusable.
Yes they get a pass, because when reviewing the camera people do not mention that it has a recommended recording limit of 10 minutes. There were uneducated that it has a ten minute recording limit. While everyone is educated by the limits of Canon's 4k video. That is why people people give it as an answer to my question, give me one camera under $1000 with good AF in 4k that does not overheat. While it meets the first two criteria, a camera that stops recording after 30 minutes under good conditions does overheat.

To set the record straight, I am not saying the X-T20 is not a good camera, nor am I saying that the M50 is a better camera. It is for some, it is not for others. For vloggers the ten minute limit of the Fuji is useless. I was responding to the heard mentality that Canon can implement DPAF with 4K without technical difficulties. Canon executives say they cannot. No other camera manufacturer can, especially at that a price point of under $1000 (or even $2000 for that matter) but everyone thinks Canon are a bunch of liars and Morons.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording.
Even though he started with a partially depleted battery, he ran through 3 back to back 10 minute cycles without any impact to the recording. On the fourth run with a red battery icon, the camera shut down halfway through the recording. Afterwards, he was able to start recording again only a few minutes later.
For how long, another five minutes? You are not seriously suggesting he would be able to record another 30 minutes. He was also recording in a comfortable room environment where AF was not in use. If someone wanted to record their kids football (soccer for you Americans) game in 30 degree weather, and was tracking their child, do you really think it will last that long?
I know enough about soccer/football to know that no child would be out running for the entire period. There are frequent pauses and substitutions and the 10 minute limit would likely never be encountered. If you want to record the entire match in one go, a 30 minute limit would also be an impediment.
Unlike dishonest companies like Sony, honest ones, like Fuji, do not like to lie to their customers. That is why it has a recorded time of 10 minutes.
Not exactly. Part of the 10 minute limit is to protect the battery from thermal damage due to too much continuous draw. This is why the X-T2 has an increased time limit when using the battery grip. The X-T2 draws power from the grip as well as the internal battery.

Frankly, the entire heat issue is so misunderstood and so completely overblown.
Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Fuji gets a "pass"? Really? The X-T20 shoots 4k video using the full sensor width (no crop) with the same AF capabilities as in stills mode. The only "limit" is the 10 minute recording time. Compare that to the M50 with an additional 1.6X crop and contrast detect AF.

For the 4k video I shoot, the X-T20 can meet all of my needs, and the M50 is completely unusable.
Yes they get a pass, because when reviewing the camera people do not mention that it has a recommended recording limit of 10 minutes. There were uneducated that it has a ten minute recording limit.
The 10 minute recording limit is well documented and is no secret.
While everyone is educated by the limits of Canon's 4k video. That is why people people give it as an answer to my question, give me one camera under $1000 with good AF in 4k that does not overheat. While it meets the first two criteria, a camera that stops recording after 30 minutes under good conditions does overheat.
I could probably get any camera to overheat. The X-T20 does not overheat under normal use.
To set the record straight, I am not saying the X-T20 is not a good camera, nor am I saying that the M50 is a better camera. It is for some, it is not for others. For vloggers the ten minute limit of the Fuji is useless.
No, it isn't. The majority of videos use multiple cuts.
I was responding to the heard mentality that Canon can implement DPAF with 4K without technical difficulties. Canon executives say they cannot. No other camera manufacturer can, especially at that a price point of under $1000 (or even $2000 for that matter) but everyone thinks Canon are a bunch of liars and Morons.
Basically, every other manufacturer has a better 4k implementation than what is in the M50. All of those other manufacturers have a combined market share that is smaller than Canon's. Canon certainly has a bigger engineering department/budget than any of these other manufacturers. This is not an issue of an insurmountable technical challenge. Canon Cinema EOS video cameras are already doing 4k with DPAF and those cameras are using older DiGiC DV 5 processors. Canon could have offered better 4k capabilities but specifically chose not to. We may never know if the reason was parts cost, development cycle time, product differentiation, etc. It is not a case of "could not", but a case of "did not".
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording.
Even though he started with a partially depleted battery, he ran through 3 back to back 10 minute cycles without any impact to the recording. On the fourth run with a red battery icon, the camera shut down halfway through the recording. Afterwards, he was able to start recording again only a few minutes later.
For how long, another five minutes? You are not seriously suggesting he would be able to record another 30 minutes. He was also recording in a comfortable room environment where AF was not in use. If someone wanted to record their kids football (soccer for you Americans) game in 30 degree weather, and was tracking their child, do you really think it will last that long?
I know enough about soccer/football to know that no child would be out running for the entire period. There are frequent pauses and substitutions and the 10 minute limit would likely never be encountered. If you want to record the entire match in one go, a 30 minute limit would also be an impediment.
Unlike dishonest companies like Sony, honest ones, like Fuji, do not like to lie to their customers. That is why it has a recorded time of 10 minutes.
Not exactly. Part of the 10 minute limit is to protect the battery from thermal damage due to too much continuous draw. This is why the X-T2 has an increased time limit when using the battery grip. The X-T2 draws power from the grip as well as the internal battery.

Frankly, the entire heat issue is so misunderstood and so completely overblown.
Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Fuji gets a "pass"? Really? The X-T20 shoots 4k video using the full sensor width (no crop) with the same AF capabilities as in stills mode. The only "limit" is the 10 minute recording time. Compare that to the M50 with an additional 1.6X crop and contrast detect AF.

For the 4k video I shoot, the X-T20 can meet all of my needs, and the M50 is completely unusable.
Yes they get a pass, because when reviewing the camera people do not mention that it has a recommended recording limit of 10 minutes. There were uneducated that it has a ten minute recording limit.
The 10 minute recording limit is well documented and is no secret.
Obviously it was not so well known to the people who answered Fuji to my question
While everyone is educated by the limits of Canon's 4k video. That is why people people give it as an answer to my question, give me one camera under $1000 with good AF in 4k that does not overheat. While it meets the first two criteria, a camera that stops recording after 30 minutes under good conditions does overheat.
I could probably get any camera to overheat. The X-T20 does not overheat under normal use.
Yes it does. The video link I provided before is proof.
To set the record straight, I am not saying the X-T20 is not a good camera, nor am I saying that the M50 is a better camera. It is for some, it is not for others. For vloggers the ten minute limit of the Fuji is useless.
No, it isn't. The majority of videos use multiple cuts.
If that were the case you would see more youtubers use Fuji,they do not.
I was responding to the heard mentality that Canon can implement DPAF with 4K without technical difficulties. Canon executives say they cannot. No other camera manufacturer can, especially at that a price point of under $1000 (or even $2000 for that matter) but everyone thinks Canon are a bunch of liars and Morons.
Basically, every other manufacturer has a better 4k implementation than what is in the M50. All of those other manufacturers have a combined market share that is smaller than Canon's. Canon certainly has a bigger engineering department/budget than any of these other manufacturers. This is not an issue of an insurmountable technical challenge. Canon Cinema EOS video cameras are already doing 4k with DPAF and those cameras are using older DiGiC DV 5 processors. Canon could have offered better 4k capabilities but specifically chose not to. We may never know if the reason was parts cost, development cycle time, product differentiation, etc. It is not a case of "could not", but a case of "did not".
They could not and you know it. You just do not want to admit you were wrong to a NOOB.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording.
Even though he started with a partially depleted battery, he ran through 3 back to back 10 minute cycles without any impact to the recording. On the fourth run with a red battery icon, the camera shut down halfway through the recording. Afterwards, he was able to start recording again only a few minutes later.
For how long, another five minutes? You are not seriously suggesting he would be able to record another 30 minutes. He was also recording in a comfortable room environment where AF was not in use. If someone wanted to record their kids football (soccer for you Americans) game in 30 degree weather, and was tracking their child, do you really think it will last that long?
I know enough about soccer/football to know that no child would be out running for the entire period. There are frequent pauses and substitutions and the 10 minute limit would likely never be encountered. If you want to record the entire match in one go, a 30 minute limit would also be an impediment.
Unlike dishonest companies like Sony, honest ones, like Fuji, do not like to lie to their customers. That is why it has a recorded time of 10 minutes.
Not exactly. Part of the 10 minute limit is to protect the battery from thermal damage due to too much continuous draw. This is why the X-T2 has an increased time limit when using the battery grip. The X-T2 draws power from the grip as well as the internal battery.

Frankly, the entire heat issue is so misunderstood and so completely overblown.
Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Fuji gets a "pass"? Really? The X-T20 shoots 4k video using the full sensor width (no crop) with the same AF capabilities as in stills mode. The only "limit" is the 10 minute recording time. Compare that to the M50 with an additional 1.6X crop and contrast detect AF.

For the 4k video I shoot, the X-T20 can meet all of my needs, and the M50 is completely unusable.
Yes they get a pass, because when reviewing the camera people do not mention that it has a recommended recording limit of 10 minutes. There were uneducated that it has a ten minute recording limit.
The 10 minute recording limit is well documented and is no secret.
Obviously it was not so well known to the people who answered Fuji to my question
It was never mentioned because you didn't ask.
While everyone is educated by the limits of Canon's 4k video. That is why people people give it as an answer to my question, give me one camera under $1000 with good AF in 4k that does not overheat. While it meets the first two criteria, a camera that stops recording after 30 minutes under good conditions does overheat.
I could probably get any camera to overheat. The X-T20 does not overheat under normal use.
Yes it does. The video link I provided before is proof.
Running multiple sequential 10 minute videos with a depleted battery is not "normal" use. That is not how most people shoot video. Can the Fuji get hot? Yes. Would the average user ever see the yellow thermometer warning? No.
To set the record straight, I am not saying the X-T20 is not a good camera, nor am I saying that the M50 is a better camera. It is for some, it is not for others. For vloggers the ten minute limit of the Fuji is useless.
No, it isn't. The majority of videos use multiple cuts.
If that were the case you would see more youtubers use Fuji,they do not.
That is a false argument. You have absolutely no data to suggest that the vast vlogging public dismissed Fuji due to the 10 minute limit. A far more sensible reason is that Fuji has a significantly smaller market share and thus significantly smaller dealer network. You can buy Canon cameras in every big box retailer. The same can not be said for Fuji.
I was responding to the heard mentality that Canon can implement DPAF with 4K without technical difficulties. Canon executives say they cannot. No other camera manufacturer can, especially at that a price point of under $1000 (or even $2000 for that matter) but everyone thinks Canon are a bunch of liars and Morons.
Basically, every other manufacturer has a better 4k implementation than what is in the M50. All of those other manufacturers have a combined market share that is smaller than Canon's. Canon certainly has a bigger engineering department/budget than any of these other manufacturers. This is not an issue of an insurmountable technical challenge. Canon Cinema EOS video cameras are already doing 4k with DPAF and those cameras are using older DiGiC DV 5 processors. Canon could have offered better 4k capabilities but specifically chose not to. We may never know if the reason was parts cost, development cycle time, product differentiation, etc. It is not a case of "could not", but a case of "did not".
They could not and you know it. You just do not want to admit you were wrong to a NOOB.
Ummmm, no.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Agree, it's overpriced. Except this is Canon we're talking about. People will pay that amount, then the price will come down some, and additional people will pay THAT amount. Very annoying. ;)
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Agree, it's overpriced. Except this is Canon we're talking about. People will pay that amount, then the price will come down some, and additional people will pay THAT amount. Very annoying. ;)
Canon counts on this. Although the M50 is more overpriced than what Canon typically does. They think people will see 4k on the box/display/specs and pay a stupidly high price not realizing it is about worthless in practical use.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .
I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."
So do I but unfortunately constructive well reasoned critiques are a bit thin on the ground here and we are too often subjected to a tirade of verbal diatribe by a bunch of trolls and jerks that have nothing better to do with their time.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .
I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."
So do I but unfortunately constructive well reasoned critiques are a bit thin on the ground here and we are too often subjected to a tirade of verbal diatribe by a bunch of trolls and jerks that have nothing better to do with their time.
A lot of people have thin skin too.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .
I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."
So do I but unfortunately constructive well reasoned critiques are a bit thin on the ground here and we are too often subjected to a tirade of verbal diatribe by a bunch of trolls and jerks that have nothing better to do with their time.
A lot of people have thin skin too.
And lot have thick heads.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .
I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."
So do I but unfortunately constructive well reasoned critiques are a bit thin on the ground here and we are too often subjected to a tirade of verbal diatribe by a bunch of trolls and jerks that have nothing better to do with their time.
A lot of people have thin skin too.
And lot have thick heads.
Some have both.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .
I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."
So do I but unfortunately constructive well reasoned critiques are a bit thin on the ground here and we are too often subjected to a tirade of verbal diatribe by a bunch of trolls and jerks that have nothing better to do with their time.
A lot of people have thin skin too.
And lot have thick heads.
Some have both.
True :-)
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .
I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."
So do I but unfortunately constructive well reasoned critiques are a bit thin on the ground here and we are too often subjected to a tirade of verbal diatribe by a bunch of trolls and jerks that have nothing better to do with their time.
A lot of people have thin skin too.
And lot have thick heads.
Some have both.
True :-)
I think my wife puts me in this category.
 
I've never heard Fro swore once. I like his straight forward pros and cons reviews. I also like Gordon Liang as he too tells it like it is without the fluffs unlike Kai. I also like Lok's reviews though he's a bit difficult to understand sometimes.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Sl2 doesn't have a flip out LCD.

SL2 only has 9 AF points.

SL2 AF up to -0.5, M50 up to -2 EV

M50 has dual sensing AF

M50 has latest generation DPAF

SL2 maximum 5 frames per second, M50 up to 10

SL2, no 4K

Well, there are more.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/sl2/vs/canon/eos-m50/

Even SL2 is priced higher than 499 you are recommending for M50.

Clearly, you don't make much sense.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Sl2 doesn't have a flip out LCD.
Nonsense. It does.
SL2 only has 9 AF points.

SL2 AF up to -0.5, M50 up to -2 EV

M50 has dual sensing AF
There is no such thing. Where do you get this nonsense?!?
M50 has latest generation DPAF
So what? The SL3 will have it, too, as well as some other updates, at the same price point as the SL2. The M50 just happens to be the first camera to get the update.
SL2 maximum 5 frames per second, M50 up to 10

SL2, no 4K

Well, there are more.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/sl2/vs/canon/eos-m50/

Even SL2 is priced higher than 499 you are recommending for M50.

Clearly, you don't make much sense.
Clearly, you don’t have your facts straight.
 
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Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
I'll add a few comments.
Sl2 doesn't have a flip out LCD.
Nonsense. It does.
SL2 only has 9 AF points.
You are comparing an OVF to an EVF. The SL2 has basic live view performance like the M5/M6/M100.
SL2 AF up to -0.5, M50 up to -2 EV
Time will tell but don't be surprised if the SL2's OVF low light performance is still faster to lock than the M50.
M50 has dual sensing AF
There is no such thing. Where do you get this nonsense?!?
M50 has latest generation DPAF
So what? The SL3 will have it, too, as well as some other updates, at the same price point as the SL2. The M50 just happens to be the first camera to get the update.
SL2 maximum 5 frames per second, M50 up to 10
So you finally get to a valid point. Congratulations! Is this worth $300?
With a 2.56 total crop, no DPAF and a max of 24 fps, I wouldn't say this is a game changer by any stretch.
Well, there are more.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/sl2/vs/canon/eos-m50/

Even SL2 is priced higher than 499 you are recommending for M50.
It dips often to $499. Even at $549 it far outweighs the M50 from a price/performance ratio.
Clearly, you don't make much sense.
Clearly, you don’t have your facts straight.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Sl2 doesn't have a flip out LCD.
Um, yes it does.
SL2 only has 9 AF points.
in OVF yes, which is perfect adequate, if a bit dated.
SL2 AF up to -0.5, M50 up to -2 EV
That's what's written in the specs, but may not mean anything. Canon's OVF focus still easily beats all their current mirrorless in low light.
M50 has dual sensing AF
Nope.
M50 has latest generation DPAF
sure but no one has tested it, means nothing for now.
SL2 maximum 5 frames per second, M50 up to 10
means nothing to 99% of buyers, especially knowing how canon intentionally cripples buffers on lower models.
SL2, no 4K
no but the M50 has an extreme crop that makes it difficult to use anything but ultrawides on it.
Well, there are more.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/sl2/vs/canon/eos-m50/

Even SL2 is priced higher than 499 you are recommending for M50.
The SL2 drops to that range whenever there's a sale, it went as low as $399 with a printer n etc that you can sell to basically have a $299 camera.
Clearly, you don't make much sense.
Your entire post is misread regurgitated spec sheet, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
 
I've never heard Fro swore once. I like his straight forward pros and cons reviews. I also like Gordon Liang as he too tells it like it is without the fluffs unlike Kai. I also like Lok's reviews though he's a bit difficult to understand sometimes.
Gordon is one of the best out there. Even the legitimate gripes are tempered by his easy-going demeanor. I enjoy lots of those gear-head guys, but when it's time to get serious, I look for his videos or go to CameraLabs.com.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Sl2 doesn't have a flip out LCD.
Nonsense. It does.
You are right. Not sure why I was thinking SL1.
SL2 only has 9 AF points.

SL2 AF up to -0.5, M50 up to -2 EV

M50 has dual sensing AF
There is no such thing. Where do you get this nonsense?!?
Mistake again. I was supposed to write Dual sensing IS.
M50 has latest generation DPAF
So what? The SL3 will have it, too, as well as some other updates, at the same price point as the SL2. The M50 just happens to be the first camera to get the update.
I thought we were comparing current models.
SL2 maximum 5 frames per second, M50 up to 10

SL2, no 4K

Well, there are more.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/sl2/vs/canon/eos-m50/

Even SL2 is priced higher than 499 you are recommending for M50.

Clearly, you don't make much sense.
Clearly, you don’t have your facts straight.
I see that you forgot to reply to my other points. And you sound angry.
 
Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.
Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.
What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.
Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.
In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?
I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.
Sl2 doesn't have a flip out LCD.
Um, yes it does.
Yes, it does. It was my mistake.
SL2 only has 9 AF points.
in OVF yes, which is perfect adequate, if a bit dated.
It maybe adequate, but much less than M50. Win for M50.
SL2 AF up to -0.5, M50 up to -2 EV
That's what's written in the specs, but may not mean anything. Canon's OVF focus still easily beats all their current mirrorless in low light.
Maybe they do, but -2 EV still is significantly better than -0.5
I meant Dual sensing IS.
M50 has latest generation DPAF
sure but no one has tested it, means nothing for now.
True. Canon claimed better tracking, we will see.
SL2 maximum 5 frames per second, M50 up to 10
means nothing to 99% of buyers, especially knowing how canon intentionally cripples buffers on lower models.
Still 10 is better than 5.
SL2, no 4K
no but the M50 has an extreme crop that makes it difficult to use anything but ultrawides on it.
Still, it is 4k and is better than not having any.
Well, there are more.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/sl2/vs/canon/eos-m50/

Even SL2 is priced higher than 499 you are recommending for M50.
The SL2 drops to that range whenever there's a sale, it went as low as $399 with a printer n etc that you can sell to basically have a $299 camera.
I am sure that happens. Something similar will happen with M50 too. That is not the point.
Clearly, you don't make much sense.
Your entire post is misread regurgitated spec sheet, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
So, someone passes a verdict on a new camera based on specs and that is okay. But when someone tries to show the fallacy in that argument based on specs, that's not okay. Not just that, you also say, we don't know yet, 9 is as good as 149, 5 is as good as 10 etc. I am happy that you take yourself seriously.
 

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