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Just now penciling in some notes as to how to organise my usual rambling pages, this time on the ZR5100 as I explore it.

Some thoughts from others before I get really going may help with overall structure and usability.

My structure may look like this..... (in no particular order of importance).....
  • Index page on entry, links to each page of information below.
  • Comments page, where I show pictures of the camera and controls and a general rundown/reminder of the specs, and talk about what the purpose of the camera might be.
  • About doing close-ups.
  • About video (I do so little video, I need to learn more about this).
  • About low light shooting and how to get acceptable results.
  • Using extended tele (digital zoom) and its limitations and where it may be useful, sort of important in a camera that tops out at 95mm equivalent lens.
  • HDMI output and its uses.
  • Using software for post process cleaning up, cropping, whatever.
  • About the scene modes and when they may be useful, that leads on to...
  • Making custom scene modes and storing them.
That's just a few thoughts while having a morning coffee, any suggestions for topics are welcome.

The pages will not be the usual review of the camera, more a how-to set of pages.

Thanks and regards..... Guy
 
Guy, having just today received my ZR5100, I am looking for a lens cap to suit, as the function ring seems perfect for providing a bit more protection for the "lens barrier".

I'm certainly interested in seeing how useful the zoom enhancements are: 380mm seems rather ambitious!

On my ZR800 I use time lapse at 2fps to get a sequence of shots from tourist bus/taxi windows in strange cities, that (with the aid of Google's Street View) allows me to trace our route back to places that seem to be worth a longer visit: a modern version of Hansel & Gretels' breadcrumbs. With a wider lens, the ZR5100 might fill that role better.

With a 200 page pdf booklet, suggestions for getting a printed copy would be useful. Printing and binding an A6 copy of the ZR800 manual took me ages. A quicker option would be useful.

With a white model, methods of reducing its visibility might also be needed!

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Cyril
 
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Guy, having just today received my ZR5100, I am looking for a lens cap to suit, as the function ring seems perfect for providing a bit more protection for the "lens barrier".
I've never bothered, I keep the camera safe by putting it in a small belt pouch, roomy enough that the front does not push on the lens barrier. Maybe some tupperware lid may fit, check kitchen shops for can top covers as well.
I'm certainly interested in seeing how useful the zoom enhancements are: 380mm seems rather ambitious!
No, it's a 19-95mm equivalent lens and is best kept in that range. Doubling to 190mm equivalent is possible but really after that it all goes more downhill rather quickly.

I bought it purely because of the wide angle end. Tele shots, well, that's my wife's job to catch with her ZR850. But "serious " trips I would have M4/3 gear anyway so better tele possible with that.

No deliberate side-by-side tests with the M4/3 but the video is rather good, usually walking video gives wobbly effects but it seems to use a combination of lens and digital stabilisation to even out bumps when walking. It doesn't correct for roll in the video, so then that's a job for the M4/3 which does do roll correction properly.
On my ZR800 I use time lapse at 2fps to get a sequence of shots from tourist bus/taxi windows in strange cities, that (with the aid of Google's Street View) allows me to trace our route back to places that seem to be worth a longer visit: a modern version of Hansel & Gretels' breadcrumbs. With a wider lens, the ZR5100 might fill that role better.
For me that would be way too many shots to wade through. Anyway we do self-planned trips and no buses, except local buses and trains as we need to get places we have already searched for and possibly street viewed from home.
With a 200 page pdf booklet, suggestions for getting a printed copy would be useful. Printing and binding an A6 copy of the ZR800 manual took me ages. A quicker option would be useful.
From earlier days I had guillotines and plastic binding punches so made my own A5 sized manual with a laser printer and put a plastic back on it. Nice to read but no way I'd carry it away of course. The PDFs are always carried in a little netbook or tablet so no extra weight.
With a white model, methods of reducing its visibility might also be needed!
White never a problem, makes me look like a tourist that can be ignored, which I am.

Mine has been slightly added to and now looks like this....

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The label because I have two white Casios and when mostly hidden in their belt pouches they look the same at a quick glance, so I labelled their ends. Contemplating some stick-on grip idea mainly to keep my fingers away from the flash area as I have occasionally fouled the flash when using fill-in.

I use a slim wrist strap from some unknown camera as I never use neckstraps any more for any camera, no matter what size they are.

So far in use for various local trips with family the ZR5100 has proved adequate, Experimenting still, but I think setting the camera to -1 sharpen and then re-sharpen properly in post process appears to work better. But only at base ISO, as usual with small sensors it gets noisy as the ISO wanders up the range.

Mostly P mode so far and have front ring for focal length (rarely use that ring anyway) and the back dial for expsoure compensation by rotating, and left-right press for shifting the ISO, in an attempt to keep it low, otherwise auto ISO all the way and put up with the noise.

Front button for 1 shot selfies, fun with grandkids, but in real life only extremely rarely do a selfie or couplie.

The idea of a web page is still there but stalled due to stays of family here and now trying to catch up on neglected jobs. Still not sure in what way to make the pages, an intended "how to" method may be best as I discover or explore features.

Regards..... Guy
 
Intrigued Guy. Until yesterday i was unaware there were 19mm 1/1.7 compact.

I wrote on Cyril's thread :

I like 1/1.7 sensors for landscape (as my ricoh gx100 i had) as they easily give near to far in focus sharp from F4-F8 (full frame f18-f37 equivalent) without headache diffraction, distortion, lack of focus, loss sharpness concerning m43, apsc, ff when wanting to get near to far in focus, sharp.
 
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Intrigued Guy. Until yesterday i was unaware there were 19mm 1/1.7 compact.

I wrote on Cyril's thread :

I like 1/1.7 sensors for landscape (as my ricoh gx100 i had) as they easily give near to far in focus sharp from F4-F8 (full frame f18-f37 equivalent) without headache diffraction, distortion, lack of focus, loss sharpness concerning m43, apsc, ff when wanting to get near to far in focus, sharp.
Yes, I did a a more complete reply in that thread before I saw this post.

As for diffraction then all these compacts are right there in the midst of diffraction, impossible to avoid, but you still get images that you can use. Don't bother pixel peeping the result, just enjoy the pictures you get.

I bought the ZR5100 for two reasons, first that it has a 19mm equivalent wide end. In my Nikon film days I really enjoyed the use of my 20/2.8 lens so it revives that feeling in a (second reason) package that fits in a small belt pouch.

With my M4/3 gear if I want everything in focus from here to forever then I most likely reach for my Samyang 7.5mm fisheye and possibly de-fish the result later if worth the effort. Also the 9-19mm lens comes in handy for the same wide but all in focus efforts. But most shots are probably 12mm at f/5.6 with my 12-40/2.8 lens and I see no real problems with landscapes and scenery shots. Double those M4/3 focal lengths to get FF equivalent focal lengths.

This ZR5100 just makes a lighter to carry alternative when the absolute quality of the image does not matter so much. It will always be there in a belt pouch even if I am carrying the M4/3 bag of tricks.

Regards..... Guy
 
This ZR5100 just makes a lighter to carry alternative when the absolute quality of the image does not matter so much. It will always be there in a belt pouch even if I am carrying the M4/3 bag of tricks.

Regards..... Guy
Same here : most of my landscapes don't require absolute quality just atmosphere. in case i wanted quality i used to have Sigma Dp1
 
Guy Parsons wrote: This ZR5100 just makes a lighter to carry alternative when the absolute quality of the image does not matter so much. It will always be there in a belt pouch even if I am carrying the M4/3 bag of tricks. Regards..... Guy
jacketpotato wrote: Same here : most of my landscapes don't require absolute quality just atmosphere. in case i wanted quality i used to have Sigma Dp1
I bought a ZR5100 to complement my ZR800 with a wider field of view, larger sensor, wifi connection, and use of the same battery. It's smaller and lighter than the LX7, which up to now has accompanied the ZR800 on my travels. I will reluctantly miss the LX7's superior f1.4 lens for dim situations, and the slightly wider 18mm field of view with a matching auxilliary lens, but have decided that the relatively infrequent need for those advantages does not warrant the extra weight and bulk involved with the LX7 and its peripherals.
 
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Guy Parsons wrote: This ZR5100 just makes a lighter to carry alternative when the absolute quality of the image does not matter so much. It will always be there in a belt pouch even if I am carrying the M4/3 bag of tricks. Regards..... Guy
jacketpotato wrote: Same here : most of my landscapes don't require absolute quality just atmosphere. in case i wanted quality i used to have Sigma Dp1
I bought a ZR5100 to complement my ZR800 with a wider field of view, larger sensor, wifi connection, and use of the same battery. It's smaller and lighter than the LX7, which up to now has accompanied the ZR800 on my travels. I will reluctantly miss the LX7's superior f1.4 lens for dim situations, and the slightly wider 18mm field of view with a matching auxilliary lens, but have decided that the relatively infrequent need for those advantages does not warrant the extra weight and bulk involved with the LX7 and its peripherals.

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Cyril
I too prefer carrying a compact rather than bulkier particularly travelling. Reviewing photographs i captured 2009-2012 most of my favourite landscapes are on 1/1.7-1/2.3 compacts.

Just to take longer exposures 30sec or so might switch to m43 or Sigma DP1.
 
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Guy Parsons wrote: This ZR5100 just makes a lighter to carry alternative when the absolute quality of the image does not matter so much. It will always be there in a belt pouch even if I am carrying the M4/3 bag of tricks. Regards..... Guy
jacketpotato wrote: Same here : most of my landscapes don't require absolute quality just atmosphere. in case i wanted quality i used to have Sigma Dp1
I bought a ZR5100 to complement my ZR800 with a wider field of view, larger sensor, wifi connection, and use of the same battery. It's smaller and lighter than the LX7, which up to now has accompanied the ZR800 on my travels. I will reluctantly miss the LX7's superior f1.4 lens for dim situations, and the slightly wider 18mm field of view with a matching auxilliary lens, but have decided that the relatively infrequent need for those advantages does not warrant the extra weight and bulk involved with the LX7 and its peripherals. -- Cyril
I too prefer carrying a compact rather than bulkier particularly travelling. Reviewing photographs i captured 2009-2012 most of my favourite landscapes are on 1/1.7-1/2.3 compacts.

Just to take longer exposures 30sec or so might switch to m43 or Sigma DP1.
I use the LX7 for longer exposures. From memory, I think it will go to a shutter speed of several minutes. Which reminds me of another advantage of complementing the Casio ZR800 with the ZR5100: the menus and controls are very similar.

Although some will not be interested, I have grown so used to using a ClearViewer on my ZR800, I've ordered one for the ZR5100 too.

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Cyril
 
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Just to take longer exposures 30sec or so might switch to m43 or Sigma DP1.
I use the LX7 for longer exposures. From memory, I think it will go to a shutter speed of several minutes. Which reminds me of another advantage of complementing the Casio ZR800 with the ZR5100: the menus and controls are very similar.

Although some will not be interested, I have grown so used to using a ClearViewer on my ZR800, I've ordered one for the ZR5100 too.
30sec longest exposure ive taken. I suppose if i was into Astro i would make use of 5-10min. Zr5100 spec says 4sec : standard for compact zooms.
 
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.... Zr5100 spec says 4sec : standard for compact zooms.
The ZR5100 manual says this on page 243.....

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So in truth it all depends on the mode used, but the shutter (mechanical or electronic) covers the range 30 seconds to 1/20,000 sec.

Regards..... Guy
 
.... Zr5100 spec says 4sec : standard for compact zooms.
The ZR5100 manual says this on page 243.....

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So in truth it all depends on the mode used, but the shutter (mechanical or electronic) covers the range 30 seconds to 1/20,000 sec. Regards..... Guy
30sec in Manual Exposure superb . Appreciated Guy.
Thanks for those details, Guy. Some years ago I did try a few midnight moonlit time exposures. It's surprising how bright things can appear with long exposures and high ISOs with jut moonlight.

Here's a shot of my back lawn just above ground level, showing beads of guttated moisture on the grass in the cool of the night. We a re a long way from the Antarctic Circle, so it isn't a case of midnight sun!


Kodak Z885: 8 sec. F2.8 ISO3200 Midnight, 26 Nov 2007 32.9° S 151.8°E



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Cyril
 
Guy … was wondering how your "How to set" project for the zr5100 is coming along.

As I have just received mine, I have not had the opportunity to acquire any insights yet. Am looking forward to your effort and will send your way any great revelations that I encounter.

pK
 
Guy … was wondering how your "How to set" project for the zr5100 is coming along.

As I have just received mine, I have not had the opportunity to acquire any insights yet. Am looking forward to your effort and will send your way any great revelations that I encounter.

pK
Got very busy with home DIY projects and the ZR5100 pages stalled, that stalling maybe also helped by the announcement of Casio dropping cameras. :-(

At the moment I just use it mostly in P mode with success, but I feel that the lens is not quite as good as it should be. Need to do more exploring with that to see what is true. I could do direct comparisons with an old Panasonic LX3 that has a very slightly larger CCD 12MP sensor.

As the small camera market collapses then the makers look to buying/making cheaper components. A bit like the 1" sensor Panasonic ZS/TZ-200/202/220 which has promising specs but a lousy lens that lets it down badly. So no hope looking to that one for some future purchase. The ZR850 remains as the best pocket camera ever it seems.

With the ZR5100 I tried using the DNG raw files but the camera limits the zoom wide angle so it is not very practical to use. Though the few shots I took I did tweak something a little better than the camera jpegs. Too much work for too little gain.

I do find that the 19mm equivalent is used a lot, brings back memories of my Nikon film days and using the 20mm lens as a handy scene gatherer in restricted places.

I need to do a long holiday (really need one) and use the ZR5100 exclusively just to see what works and what disappoints.

A good thing about these cameras is that we can work out some good settings and store them as custom Best Shots, then upload them from the internal memory so others can download and put in their camera's internal memory to see what settings were used. Once I get into researching the camera more I will look into that.

In the meantime I use P mode but if thinking that a shot may be difficult I move to the super P mode (or whatever it's called) where the camera decides which Best Shot mode to employ. That seems to work well. So far I haven't bothered to dig and explore in the Best Shots, that's too slow to use for me.

One little point, I use the USB cable to charge from a power bank, I keep to shallow charging where I recharge after even a light use, the battery should last longer that way. The little door to get to the sockets is easy to use, whereas my wife's ZR850 is a clumsy awkward door to use. The camera works OK when charging, as long as the power is connected before turning on the camera.

I turn off the focus aid lamp as it annoys and rarely use flash. Have used the selfie front button a few times with the grandkids, that's fun, especially if set to take 3 shots from the one press, get some silly results that way.

So far not used the WiFi or Bluetooth at all.

More when I know more

Regards.... Guy
 
Very early days, pages start here homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/Casio/

Lots more to add but it will take quite a while as I fit this in between other jobs at home.

Regards..... Guy
 
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Guy, I feel that most of the ZR800 and ZR5100's BS settings are reasonably fit for their designated purposes, though, like Erik, I tend to favour the HDR setting, and the HS settings.

The Super Wide Angle mode I find the least reliable - in that I only rarely manage to get it to work; and the Blurred Background, and All in Focus, settings result in the most ghost fringes.

I also feel that when using the front shutter button on the ZR5100 I am likely to initiate less camera shake than with the top mounted shutter.
 
Guy, I feel that most of the ZR800 and ZR5100's BS settings are reasonably fit for their designated purposes, though, like Erik, I tend to favour the HDR setting, and the HS settings.
I tend to use P mode most by far, but then when faced with difficulties I will use my M4/3 gear.

That needs to change, I need to carry only the Casio more to make sure it gets the full workout.

My wife uses her ZR850 mostly in P with some HDR when judged suitable to use. From outings where we shoot in much the same areas it really is bleeding obvious that low light is the Achilles Heel of the small sensor. I happily shoot on with the M4/3 and f/2.8 lenses while she with the ZR850, no matter what she tries, end up with shake or too much noise to be usable.

So far of course I see the ZR5100 larger sensor working a lot better in low light than the ZR850.
The Super Wide Angle mode I find the least reliable - in that I only rarely manage to get it to work; and the Blurred Background, and All in Focus, settings result in the most ghost fringes.
Agree with that, I never seem to be able to get that trick extra wide angle to work reliably, and the even wider one never made it work. Take a bunch and stitch later works best.
I also feel that when using the front shutter button on the ZR5100 I am likely to initiate less camera shake than with the top mounted shutter.
So far not seen that myself, but when I get into my web pages further I will test the stabilisation and see if top or front operation makes any real difference for me. Reminder: All stabilisation depends quite a lot on the user, if the camera was "tuned" to average Japanese shake then it may not be the same as your or my shake. :-)

My thoughts on the whole Casio camera collapse issue are that it was a pity that they were maintaining too many camera types in too many languages, it was a bewildering array of model names and types. If they had kept it reasonably simple from the start the camera division may have survived and potentially the 1" sensor Casio may have surfaced. They would make a good job of that unlike some of the others out there.

Regards.... Guy
 
Because the ZR5100 web page building is going to be agonisingly slow, I have decided to always post the page(s) I am currently working on so at least some information is getting out there.

This morning I am adding the Comments page which is currently looking like a grab-bag of ideas and of course is only partially made.

At the moment plugging on through the Record menu, not trying to reproduce the manual but add some help maybe, also the pages in the manual for each menu item are being noted for more reading. Next modification I should highlight my own menu settings, just in case that matters.

Trying to make sensible pages is a great exercise in learning the camera, I'm finding out things that I should have known but were too lazy to explore earlier.

Basically I'm finding that the front control ring is very valuable, and of course its purpose changes wherever you are.

I only just discovered that when in the Menus (press menu button) that the front control ring flips between Record and Setup menus. Maybe it's in the manual somewhere but in truth I'm finding other things about the ring that are definitely not in the manual.

Hopefully I can do some work on the pages each morning before breakfast and later in the day after I come in from working outside.

See the growing mess at http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/Casio/index.html

Regards.... Guy
 

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