PLEASE Fujfilm, fix your auto ISO issue

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There are not a lot of things that bug me about my Fujifilm cameras, but auto ISO is one of them. How they have not fixed this is a mystery so I am going to go on a rant here.

The issue? How exposure lock, or lack there of interact with ISO and AFC.

By default Fujifilm shows you Max ISO on your screen if you're in a AUTO ISO mode. If you press the shutter, you see actual ISO. Great? No, great if you want to lock the exposure when you press the shutter, terrible if you do sports or anything where the exposure is likely to change from the moment you first start autofocus until the moment you take the last picture.

Let's take a hypothetical situation. You're following an athlete who is travelling around a track focusing on him until that moment he reaches a certain point where you want to take the photo. If you start focusing on him when he running in a light area, you photo will be underexposed, if you start focusing on him when he is running in a dark area, you're photo will be overexposed.

That's the purpose of exposure lock obviously, so that seems to be working as planned so why the issue?

In the above scenario you would want to turn off exposure lock and that's where the problem comes up? Exposure lock is a lesser used scenario, you almost always want exposure to adjust continually for changing conditions. Switch off the exposure lock and you never see actual ISO. Yes, you just get to see the max ISO all the time, even when you hold down the button. If you take a photo, there is no way to see how high the ISO is going so you can keep track of it, without actually stopping, and checking what the ISO was on the last photo.

The problem with this approach is the lack of consistency as Fujifilm works different with AUTO shutter. Use a fixed ISO and auto shutter and with exposure lock off it will show you the actual shutter all the time. Move your camera around and you get a live reading. Again, why Fuji chose to show me my max ISO is a mystery. Who cares what I can go up to, I want to know what I am at now, not what I set the max to.

For now, my solution is to progressively raise the AUTO ISO from 800 to 3200 to 6400 as conditions require it, but it's a fix to a problem that is easy to fix and simple shouldn't be there.

How do you reproduce this problem?

Set your camera to AFC, AUTO ISO with a fixed aperture and shutter. Focus on something light and without letting go of the shutter move to something dark (you will see the actual ISO) and take a photo. When you press down the shutter to start focusing on the first object, the exposure will lock at that point. The photo will be completely underexposed because it will have locked the exposure on the original object.

Now switch off exposure lock on the shutter and press the shutter. No matter where you focus, you never see the actual ISO, just maximum. Why should a lack of exposure lock prevent you from seeing the current ISO? I have no idea.

Now switch on auto shutter and you'll see the shutter constantly changes when you move the camera around, before you press the shutter.
 
HI,

I agree of course, this topic is regularly discussed.

But there are other issues. If you want to shoot action, you can not select a minimuM ss faster than 1/500s. WHY ????? Why Fuji "plays" with user frustration. Also it is really difficult to understand why this would be difficult to implement it.

Also, the minimum shutter speed can only follow the 1/FL rule, if you have more shaky hands this is useless...

But you know, there is the kaizen philosophy.. Listen to Fjjirumors, why do you complain ?? You know, contrary to the competition, Fuji listens to their users... There is a major ontradiction.
 
Yes this is very annoying. Also the moment you press the shutter the histogram disappears so you cant see the actual iso or the histogram.

Theres a few other annoyances relating to action shooting on the xt20 like the speed settings on the dial arnt fine enough, 1/500 to 1/1000. sure you can fine tune that with the other dial but im then adjusting speed with 2 dials.. its does remember the setting if you turn the camera off which good but wouldnt also be the first time ive looked at the main dial to see 1/500 and shooting with 1/800. Also the speed dial doesnt rotate 360. so thats a pain.

Its just a little inconsistent and could do with some refining.

As much as people tend to beat up on sony. For action its a much better experience imo.

Shows live iso and histograms, 1 dedicated dial for shutter, nice auto iso control and all action settings programmed to one memory slot.

Fuji could do this with a dials override setting. action is an area fuji can improve on.

really like using the fuji and the images it produces though.
 
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In these situations I leave the main shutter dial on T and then I only need to use one of the front or rear (depending on preference) dials to get any shutter speed.
 
Agreed.

I want to see ISO is true viewfinder time....without having to press the shutter halfway.

Also, when the camera is set to "auto aperture" why does it to default to f 1.4?

I don't want to shoot wide open all the time.

Why can't I adjust the default minimum aperture?

These seem like simple firmware options/updates.
 
HI,

I agree of course, this topic is regularly discussed.

But there are other issues. If you want to shoot action, you can not select a minimuM ss faster than 1/500s. WHY ????? Why Fuji "plays" with user frustration. Also it is really difficult to understand why this would be difficult to implement it.

Also, the minimum shutter speed can only follow the 1/FL rule, if you have more shaky hands this is useless...

But you know, there is the kaizen philosophy.. Listen to Fjjirumors, why do you complain ?? You know, contrary to the competition, Fuji listens to their users... There is a major ontradiction.
Are you serious. Is the minimum ss still at 1/500s on the XE3? I have the XE1 and wait for evidence that Fuji has cleared those absurd limitations before upgrading. If what I am reading is true and the OP is correct I don't think I will ever feel the need to upgrade :-( .

There are a number of limitations of that nature bugging me. Fuji would be better going open software and be happy selling the hardware if they can't do the software improvements themselves. (This is a rant thread isn't it? Usually I don't rant; I just look for workarounds ;-) ).
 
Shoot in shutter priority mode with auto ISO on.

'Problem' solved.....

Shawn
 
Shoot in shutter priority mode with auto ISO on.

'Problem' solved.....

Shawn
With no control of aperture ???? If different modes exist, there are reasons for that and you can not simply say change the mode, problem solved... Nonsense.

In aperture priority mode + auto-iso, the camera can raise shutter speed (=faster) automatically. For action shooting, even if you set a minimum shutter speed, a faster shutter speed is always welcomed.

In the opposite, your mode may stop down aperture instead. If there is enough light. Most of the time, action shooters want to isolate the subject. Anyway you have less control on the final result.

Personnally, I never use this mode .

Problem not solved.
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
You’re missing the point. In auto iso, it only shows max ISO if you switch exposure lock off the shutter. This is not correct behaviour. Try going to auto shutter and move your camera around, it shows the actual shutter as the lighting changes without touching the shutter. It doesn’t do this with auto iso.
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
No...

There is a real problem with this mode. If you set shutter speed + aperture, it is not going to raise the shutter speed if you reach the lower ISO, so you may overexpose the picture

Say you follow a bird , it can be in the shadows or in bright areas, it might be really challenging.

Aperture + auto-iso (with minimum shutter speed) is simply better !
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
You’re missing the point. In auto iso, it only shows max ISO if you switch exposure lock off the shutter. This is not correct behaviour. Try going to auto shutter and move your camera around, it shows the actual shutter as the lighting changes without touching the shutter. It doesn’t do this with auto iso.
 
HI,

I agree of course, this topic is regularly discussed.

But there are other issues. If you want to shoot action, you can not select a minimuM ss faster than 1/500s. WHY ????? Why Fuji "plays" with user frustration. Also it is really difficult to understand why this would be difficult to implement it.
Maybe, like me, they don't think it's a real issue?

In reality, the only difference between manual with auto iso and aperture priority with a fast minimum shutter speed is at base iso, as until you hit base iso the shutter speed won't rise in aperture priority mode. So if you could set 1/2000, it would stay at 1/2000 until base iso.

However, if you're shooting birds at 1/2000 of a second or faster at f5.6, you aren't going to hit base iso in auto iso mode even in sunlight. And if you're in any danger of doing so, you could either just use shutter priority instead, as with BIF you generally want more dof (but can't have it because of other priorities), or you can keep using manual but use 1/4000 or 1/8000 or whatever.
 
I wasn't responding to your point. I responded to those complaining about not being able to have a faster shutter speed than 1/500 of a second in auto ISO. You can do that easily.

Shawn
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
No...

There is a real problem with this mode. If you set shutter speed + aperture, it is not going to raise the shutter speed if you reach the lower ISO, so you may overexpose the picture

Say you follow a bird , it can be in the shadows or in bright areas, it might be really challenging.

Aperture + auto-iso (with minimum shutter speed) is simply better !
Nope.

You are shooting at 1/1000 of a second or faster (per your complaint about not being able to go above 1/500 of a second.) The 100-400 has a minimum aperture of f4.5 at 100mm. That is an EV combination of 14.33 at base ISO. You most likely won't overexposure in the bright areas shooting raw and the camera will raise ISO to handle shadows. If you are zoomed in to 400mm (f5.6) you will have a EV combination of 15.5 which will handle a full sunny day. If for whatever reason it is even brighter (say snow on the ground) set your shutter to 1/2000 and that is an EV of 16 which will handle a full sun snowy ground. Again, camera will raise ISO to handle shadows (which there would be less of from reflections from the snow).

And that is before you add your polarizing filter which is going to knock down the light a stop or two more. Or a teleconverter which will do the same....

Shawn
 
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So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
No...

There is a real problem with this mode. If you set shutter speed + aperture, it is not going to raise the shutter speed if you reach the lower ISO, so you may overexpose the picture

Say you follow a bird , it can be in the shadows or in bright areas, it might be really challenging.

Aperture + auto-iso (with minimum shutter speed) is simply better !
Nope.

You are shooting at 1/1000 of a second or faster (per your complaint about not being able to go above 1/500 of a second.) The 100-400 has a minimum aperture of f4.5 at 100mm. That is an EV combination of 14.33 at base ISO. You most likely won't overexposure in the bright areas shooting raw and the camera will raise ISO to handle shadows. If you are zoomed in to 400mm (f5.6) you will have a EV combination of 15.5 which will handle a full sunny day. If for whatever reason it is even brighter (say snow on the ground) set your shutter to 1/2000 and that is an EV of 16 which will handle a full sun snowy ground. Again, camera will raise ISO to handle shadows (which there would be less of from reflections from the snow).

And that is before you add your polarizing filter which is going to knock down the light a stop or two more. Or a teleconverter which will do the same....

Shawn
Your maths are wrong...

Do you know the sunnny 16 rule ?

ISO100 1/100 f16 <=> ISO100 1/1264 f/4.5<=> ISO200 1/2500 f/4.5 !!

5 times faster than 1/500s. Looks like you make a "small" error !

Try again...
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
No...

There is a real problem with this mode. If you set shutter speed + aperture, it is not going to raise the shutter speed if you reach the lower ISO, so you may overexpose the picture

Say you follow a bird , it can be in the shadows or in bright areas, it might be really challenging.

Aperture + auto-iso (with minimum shutter speed) is simply better !
Nope.

You are shooting at 1/1000 of a second or faster (per your complaint about not being able to go above 1/500 of a second.) The 100-400 has a minimum aperture of f4.5 at 100mm. That is an EV combination of 14.33 at base ISO. You most likely won't overexposure in the bright areas shooting raw and the camera will raise ISO to handle shadows. If you are zoomed in to 400mm (f5.6) you will have a EV combination of 15.5 which will handle a full sunny day. If for whatever reason it is even brighter (say snow on the ground) set your shutter to 1/2000 and that is an EV of 16 which will handle a full sun snowy ground. Again, camera will raise ISO to handle shadows (which there would be less of from reflections from the snow).

And that is before you add your polarizing filter which is going to knock down the light a stop or two more. Or a teleconverter which will do the same....

Shawn
Your maths are wrong...

Do you know the sunnny 16 rule ?

ISO100 1/100 f16 <=> ISO100 1/1264 f/4.5<=> ISO200 1/2500 f/4.5 !!

5 times faster than 1/500s. Looks like you make a "small" error !

Try again...
Your calculation is the same as his. 5 times in this context is just over 2 stops, so he was saying you would be unlikely you'd blow the highlights in raw at 1/1000 of a second, since it would involve just over 1 stop overexposure.
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
No...

There is a real problem with this mode. If you set shutter speed + aperture, it is not going to raise the shutter speed if you reach the lower ISO, so you may overexpose the picture

Say you follow a bird , it can be in the shadows or in bright areas, it might be really challenging.

Aperture + auto-iso (with minimum shutter speed) is simply better !
Nope.

You are shooting at 1/1000 of a second or faster (per your complaint about not being able to go above 1/500 of a second.) The 100-400 has a minimum aperture of f4.5 at 100mm. That is an EV combination of 14.33 at base ISO. You most likely won't overexposure in the bright areas shooting raw and the camera will raise ISO to handle shadows. If you are zoomed in to 400mm (f5.6) you will have a EV combination of 15.5 which will handle a full sunny day. If for whatever reason it is even brighter (say snow on the ground) set your shutter to 1/2000 and that is an EV of 16 which will handle a full sun snowy ground. Again, camera will raise ISO to handle shadows (which there would be less of from reflections from the snow).

And that is before you add your polarizing filter which is going to knock down the light a stop or two more. Or a teleconverter which will do the same....

Shawn
Your maths are wrong...

Do you know the sunnny 16 rule ?

ISO100 1/100 f16 <=> ISO100 1/1264 f/4.5<=> ISO200 1/2500 f/4.5 !!

5 times faster than 1/500s. Looks like you make a "small" error !

Try again...
I shoot meterless cameras pretty regularly.

If it helps you, you can use an exposure calculator at:


Remember, a sunny day is EV15. F4.5 at 1/1000 is an EV of 14.33. F5.6(400mm) is ev 15. If you use a filter or a teleconverter you will be dropping the light on the sensor.

Also remember that ISO 200 on the Fuji is closer to ISO125 or so on other cameras using a different scale. I can demonstrate this with the Fuji at 200 vs another camera at ISO100 back to back with fixed lighting. Shoot Sunny 16 on the Fuji and you will find you get more accurate exposures exposing closer to ISO 100 than you will ISO 200.

Or, you could actually try shooting this way and see that it will work fine.

Shawn
 
So set the aperture where you want it to. You have control over both with auto ISO.

The 100-400 isolates subjects just fine....

Shawn
No...

There is a real problem with this mode. If you set shutter speed + aperture, it is not going to raise the shutter speed if you reach the lower ISO, so you may overexpose the picture

Say you follow a bird , it can be in the shadows or in bright areas, it might be really challenging.

Aperture + auto-iso (with minimum shutter speed) is simply better !
Nope.

You are shooting at 1/1000 of a second or faster (per your complaint about not being able to go above 1/500 of a second.) The 100-400 has a minimum aperture of f4.5 at 100mm. That is an EV combination of 14.33 at base ISO. You most likely won't overexposure in the bright areas shooting raw and the camera will raise ISO to handle shadows. If you are zoomed in to 400mm (f5.6) you will have a EV combination of 15.5 which will handle a full sunny day. If for whatever reason it is even brighter (say snow on the ground) set your shutter to 1/2000 and that is an EV of 16 which will handle a full sun snowy ground. Again, camera will raise ISO to handle shadows (which there would be less of from reflections from the snow).

And that is before you add your polarizing filter which is going to knock down the light a stop or two more. Or a teleconverter which will do the same....

Shawn
Your maths are wrong...

Do you know the sunnny 16 rule ?

ISO100 1/100 f16 <=> ISO100 1/1264 f/4.5<=> ISO200 1/2500 f/4.5 !!

5 times faster than 1/500s. Looks like you make a "small" error !

Try again...
I shoot meterless cameras pretty regularly.

If it helps you, you can use an exposure calculator at:

https://www.scantips.com/lights/exposurecalc.html

Remember, a sunny day is EV15. F4.5 at 1/1000 is an EV of 14.33. F5.6(400mm) is ev 15. If you use a filter or a teleconverter you will be dropping the light on the sensor.

Also remember that ISO 200 on the Fuji is closer to ISO125 or so on other cameras using a different scale. I can demonstrate this with the Fuji at 200 vs another camera at ISO100 back to back with fixed lighting. Shoot Sunny 16 on the Fuji and you will find you get more accurate exposures exposing closer to ISO 100 than you will ISO 200.

Or, you could actually try shooting this way and see that it will work fine.

Shawn
You can easily over expose with white birds.. Just try swans, very easy !

Aperture priority + auto-iso fits perfectly my needs, why the need to change mode over 1/500s ? Besides, as you see, the alternative mode is far to be perfect.

The problem with auto-iso is that t is not fast to change the minimum shutter speed. But this could be improved, this is not a problem inherent to auto-iso. Auto Iso can still be improved.
 

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