Thinking about the KP for sports? Or wait for a better release?

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I really like the IQ from what I have seen at high ISO but how is the AFC performance for sports?

My particular interest would be ISO 6400 performances for night time baseball game.

Also, what would be the ideal Trinity lens to cover 28-400mm focal range FF equiv?

Preferably, no kit lens IQ and am open to 3rd parties lens like sigma or Tamron.

On a third note, is the video at 1080P that bad due yo heavy compression used?

Much appreciated for your helpful response.
 
Also do you need a 300 f/2.8 or similar? You'd like to keep the ISO under 12800 or so?
 
Also do you need a 300 f/2.8 or similar? You'd like to keep the ISO under 12800 or so?
In the 300-400mm range, I like to keep it f4 to reduce the weight of the system.

At 200mm or less, f2.8 is acceptable.

ISO 12800 would be a dream for me if the IQ of good. That would help keeping the shutter speed high for less motion blur.
 
There's a very big buzz all over the Internet about the K-3II replacement that might coming soon.






I'd wait until CP+ to see what happens. More than likely it will will out perform the KP in just about every area, especially in the autofocus department.
 
I love my KP but I would not consider it a likely candidate for a sports camera.
 
I am not asking for a D500 performances.

A 50-60% keeper rate at 7-8 fps is perfectly acceptable.

So I press the shutter for burst mode and 4 keepers is good enough.

Not doable in AFC?
 
No idea-- I've never bursted the poor thing in its short life. I probably will try it eventually, but I don't see a lot of action prospects in the middle of the winter!
 
There's a very big buzz all over the Internet about the K-3II replacement that might coming soon.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums...9999-pentax-k3ii-officially-discontinued.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/357904-k3ii-replacement.html

https://pentaxrumors.com/2018/02/01/pentax-k-3-ii-dslr-camera-officially-discontinued/

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums...ording-photo-rumors-k-1-discontinued-rea.html

http://www.cpplus.jp/en/overview/

I'd wait until CP+ to see what happens. More than likely it will will out perform the KP in just about every area, especially in the autofocus department.
According to Asahi Man, the rumors of a K-3iii are wrong. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60745828

Just wishful thinking I'm afraid. Maybe this fall we'll see a KPii, these things go in about 18 month cycles.
 
If you have a good budget then wait 3 weeks to see what’s released at CP+. If your tight on funds the KP plus either the pentax 60-250/4 or better yet sigma/tamron 70-200/2.8 are way to go for long end.

The Pentax 70-200/2.8 is at another level both in terms of IQ, price, and weight!

Wide end 16-85 is the go to at the moment if you can handle the variable aperture. Plenty of other options though.
 
According to Asahi Man, the rumors of a K-3iii are wrong. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60745828

Just wishful thinking I'm afraid. Maybe this fall we'll see a KPii, these things go in about 18 month cycles.
Ah, this is sad indeed. I believe him, and I felt it coming somehow.

It's the end for me with Pentax, I will be switching to Nikon and Sigma.

Chris
 
I am not asking for a D500 performances.

A 50-60% keeper rate at 7-8 fps is perfectly acceptable.

So I press the shutter for burst mode and 4 keepers is good enough.

Not doable in AFC?
 
Recently shot a dress rehearsal for a ballet company. For fun, I brought the KP and 50-135 DA*, and my Canon 6D with the 135/2 L. Shot with continuous AF on both.

The Canon (and the 6D has a mediocre AF reputation in the Canon world) hit focus about 8/10 tries. The KP, about 1/10.
 
That's unusable. Thanks for the heads up.
 
JPEG is fine as long I can minimize the NR and customized the color profile to my liking.

But as someone mention 1/10 hit rate is a killer.

There's worst than a 10 year old camera.

I really like the Pentax for it's high ISO and DR though.

Or step up to the K1 and shoot in APSC mode for the reach?
 
If you have a good budget then wait 3 weeks to see what’s released at CP+. If your tight on funds the KP plus either the pentax 60-250/4 or better yet sigma/tamron 70-200/2.8 are way to go for long end.

The Pentax 70-200/2.8 is at another level both in terms of IQ, price, and weight!

Wide end 16-85 is the go to at the moment if you can handle the variable aperture. Plenty of other options though.
Thanks. I'll wait to see what's coming. No hurry to spend thousands of dollars. 😀
 
Recently shot a dress rehearsal for a ballet company. For fun, I brought the KP and 50-135 DA*, and my Canon 6D with the 135/2 L. Shot with continuous AF on both.

The Canon (and the 6D has a mediocre AF reputation in the Canon world) hit focus about 8/10 tries. The KP, about 1/10.
Not a totally fair comparison as the 50-135 DA* is a really slow focussing zoom lens versus a faster f2 prime.

Bit of a Pentax kicking session going on here.

1/10 ? I can do better with manual focus lenses!
 
JPEG is fine as long I can minimize the NR and customized the color profile to my liking.
The JPEG engine and NR setting are very customisable, I didn't tried every cameras but coming from CaNikon I can say that Pentax cameras are much more customisable for theses things.
But as someone mention 1/10 hit rate is a killer.

There's worst than a 10 year old camera.
That was with a 50-135 though, the AF on this one is quite slow.

While I'm confident that a 80D or a D7500 will have a much better hit rate the pentax AF is not that bad once you know its limitations, like stick to one AF point at a time in AF C. Z tracking is okay with a fast AF lens (the 18-135 dc or the 55-300 PLM are nice choices for this), but the XY tracking is garbage so stick to one af point.

I must warn you that there are few fast AF pentax lenses, but if you are okay with third party glass sigma have a 17-50, 50-150, and 70-200 f/2.8 all with very fast AF.
I really like the Pentax for it's high ISO and DR though.

Or step up to the K1 and shoot in APSC mode for the reach?
The K1 is much more responsive in APSC mode but you loose the high iso improvements over the KP (in crop mode).

Frankly while I love my Pentax gear I'd rather advise you to get a D7500 or a D500 for night time baseball game, the 20mgpx nikon sensor is pretty close to the one in the KP, and you get much better burst rate, buffer, AF (fast AF lenses too) and video.

Speaking of video,
On a third note, is the video at 1080P that bad due yo heavy compression used?
Yes, from today standards its garbage but frankly I shooted many commercials and short films with canon 70D, 5D II, 7D and Pentax video is a little softer, gets a little more fuzzy when you have too much detail moving (like wind in vegetation) in the end the output is pretty similar. Nikon video quality is much better by the way, the 1080p I got from the D810 was stunning and I'm sure it still is the best in class even today.

Canon or Pentax you need to nail your exposure, white balance and color profile perfectly before shooting because you don't have much room for grading with theses cameras.

The video has some nice improvements on the KP (and maybe on the K-70), the noise at higher iso is much much lower than on the K-1 and K-3 (truly awful at iso 1600 and higher), and its said it has improved dynamic range.

That can't beat the comfort of working with downsampled 4K for grading, croping white balance, correcting your exposure or simply better detail and colors but it's doable, most people looks video from their phones or TV, and most TV are far enough so most user won't notice the difference with sharp 1080p.

I'll say it again, while I love my Pentax gear, if you are interested in video and sports you better look at Nikon.
 
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Recently shot a dress rehearsal for a ballet company. For fun, I brought the KP and 50-135 DA*, and my Canon 6D with the 135/2 L. Shot with continuous AF on both.

The Canon (and the 6D has a mediocre AF reputation in the Canon world) hit focus about 8/10 tries. The KP, about 1/10.
DA 50-135 is not the right lens for action shots.
 
As much as I love pentax, for the specific sports AF and video that you require I would probably look at canon (or nikon). So its a question of whether you like the other things pentax brings to the table like IBIS, pixel shift and small primes.
 

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