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I didn't want to distract from the other thread, so I thought I might ask a few questions in a new one.

I'm planning on switching from using a Sony A7ii (now sold) as a complement to my Sigma cameras to a DSLR. The main reason for moving out of the Sony camera world is size; I find the smaller cameras fiddly in winter. I had a chance to handle a Nikon D500 and a 5DSr and was very happy with the ergonomics of both cameras. I'm used to larger cameras (I spent a lot of time at one point working with 6x6 and 6x7 medium format film), and I do a lot of photography in temperatures that require gloves.

My budget is not unlimited (hence the D850 at European prices is out), but I'd like a camera that would work well enough for both some wildlife and also for landscapes. The D500 favours the former, but I've seen good work with the 5DSr. More to the point, my impression from working with downloaded files is that the 5DSr, when used carefully, is a superior landscape camera to most others (I recognise the D500 is not mainly geared towards landscapes, but of course talented photographers get excellent results from it, too). In any case, I can get a used 5DSr at a good price that would allow me to buy a couple lenses. I have no relevant investment in lenses.

Given all that, I was curious to hear if people had much in the way of experience using the 5DSr in cold conditions over extended periods, since that is a lot when I photograph. The Sony was not ace on that front. I was also wondering if people had much confidence in the weather sealing, given some care, of course, to avoid prolonged exposure to rain. Lastly, I was curious to hear how people felt about doing black and white work with the camera. I've seen some stunning examples, but others' experience would be helpful to hear about.

All thoughts are of course greatly appreciated.

P.S. I feel I should stress that I'm not really asking for a comparison between Canon and Nikon cameras, which I realise is a vexed issue. I'm more interested in understanding how well the 5DSr would work on its own terms for my uses.
 
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I have not used my 5DsR in the rain much, so I can't comment on that.

I do not use a grip either, but carry extra batteries where they will stay warm. After a few of charges, I have been satisfied with their performance.

I feel that one of the advantages of Canon's 5DsR is the ability to crop quite a bit.
 
I have not used my 5DsR in the rain much, so I can't comment on that.

I do not use a grip either, but carry extra batteries where they will stay warm. After a few of charges, I have been satisfied with their performance.

I feel that one of the advantages of Canon's 5DsR is the ability to crop quite a bit.
Thank you, that's very helpful. I very often crop for aspect ratio to 5:4 or 1:1.
 
The build quality of the 5DS - without an "r" in my case - is spectacular, you can't go wrong with a 5 series camera by Canon, cold weather is not an issue, this a camera built to face hardships but of course just like every other digital ILC we are talking about electronics, stuff that doesn't coexist too well with bad weather, but I guess that cameras in this class can survive much more hardships than we think.

In my experience the only drawback of these cameras - DS and DSr - is the constant need of a tripod to get clean shots, but not all human hands are created equally firm so this can be a highly subjective issue. On another level, if you really want to exploit the sensational resolving power of the sensor (and take advantage of its cropping possibilities) you'll need the best Canon glass, the 100mm macro L (or even the old 50mm 2.5) is a good example of this: you will not believe your eyes.
 
I didn't want to distract from the other thread, so I thought I might ask a few questions in a new one.

I'm planning on switching from using a Sony A7ii (now sold) as a complement to my Sigma cameras to a DSLR. The main reason for moving out of the Sony camera world is size; I find the smaller cameras fiddly in winter. I had a chance to handle a Nikon D500 and a 5DSr and was very happy with the ergonomics of both cameras. I'm used to larger cameras (I spent a lot of time at one point working with 6x6 and 6x7 medium format film), and I do a lot of photography in temperatures that require gloves.

My budget is not unlimited (hence the D850 at European prices is out), but I'd like a camera that would work well enough for both some wildlife and also for landscapes. The D500 favours the former, but I've seen good work with the 5DSr. More to the point, my impression from working with downloaded files is that the 5DSr, when used carefully, is a superior landscape camera to most others (I recognise the D500 is not mainly geared towards landscapes, but of course talented photographers get excellent results from it, too). In any case, I can get a used 5DSr at a good price that would allow me to buy a couple lenses. I have no relevant investment in lenses.

Given all that, I was curious to hear if people had much in the way of experience using the 5DSr in cold conditions over extended periods, since that is a lot when I photograph. The Sony was not ace on that front. I was also wondering if people had much confidence in the weather sealing, given some care, of course, to avoid prolonged exposure to rain. Lastly, I was curious to hear how people felt about doing black and white work with the camera. I've seen some stunning examples, but others' experience would be helpful to hear about.

All thoughts are of course greatly appreciated.

P.S. I feel I should stress that I'm not really asking for a comparison between Canon and Nikon cameras, which I realise is a vexed issue. I'm more interested in understanding how well the 5DSr would work on its own terms for my uses.
I've never had an issue in the cold with my 5Dsr, although my fingers don't always hold up so well (in fingerless gloves). Though it is spec'd at 0-40, as are many others.

I find black and white works really well as you can shoot in B+W and so review them that way, but have a colour (capable) Raw file so you can do the conversion the way you want later (e.g. including simulated use of a colour filter on the lens). I find I visualise quite well in B+W but for people who don't an EVF where you see the B+W image while you're shooting can be beneficial. (BTW I use Franzis B+W Projects 5 software for conversions https://www.projects-software.com/black-white ).

I found a comparison (of sorts):

View attachment 46e304d122814d68bcb4b663ed5862e0.jpg
5Dsr SooC JPEG (so what you'd see on the rear screen)

TMax 400 scanned at 6MP
TMax 400 scanned at 6MP

View attachment 9fde9a25747a4c959ff4e93128cc40e8.jpg
Instant-ish conversion from Raw file (done while writing the post).Less detail as I left simulated grain on (I said it was quick).

Don't know if that's any use?

(Edit) I don't find a tripod necessary to get pixel-sharp shots, hand-held is fine if the shutter speed is suitable. I'd second that the 100 L is sensational for non-macro work on a 5Dsr, when it's a suitable focal length.
 
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It was bird and wildlife images, including birds in flight, that helped convince me to buy a 5Ds R. The 5Ds R has better AF than the 7D Mark II, and plenty of people use the 7D Mark II for birds and wildlife. The 5Ds R has a slower frame rate than the 7D Mark II; it is a matter of choosing which feature(s) are more important. (I have 5Ds R and 7D Mark II cameras.)

The D500 will, of course, be better for fast-flying small birds with numerous objects in the background. A very talented/artistic member of the FM and DPR forums, arbitrage, a long-time Canon shooter, added a D500 for this reason. Look for his images and narratives. He, and other bird photographers, inclding my D500-shooting wife, helped convince me to add a D500, though in my case, I was already using a D3s for low-light action, anyway, so it was not a matter of suddenly adding a new system. (I was using both Canon and Nikon gear in my first few months of SLR shooting, and evolved into Canon being my dominant system. My wife being a Nikon shooter, we share some equipment, though not normally camera bodies.)

I cannot be helpful regarding cold weather conditions. Here in SE Texas, it is the opposite of cold.

To be clear, I am not a pro, and not an expert. :-)

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I wore a police badge and pistol, and made evidentiary images at night, incorporating elements of portrait, macro, still life, landscape, architecture, and PJ. (Retired January 2018.) I enjoy using both Canons and Nikons.
 
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I've used the A7ii, 5DSR and D800. They're all great cameras. Each with advantages and disadvantages.

If you prefer a larger body with buttons that are easier to handle, both Nikon and Canon won't let you down. I haven't used the 5DSR is below freezing temperatures yet, but it was close to freezing without any issues. I don't think you could go wrong with either.

I've never trusted weather sealing and believe a plastic ziplock back is a great way to protect gear (and you can cut a hole for the lens and fix it with a rubber band). I always keep a few in my bag.

My biggest complaint with the D800 was that it was physically a bit too large and bulky for me to carry comfortably, otherwise it was great. Why not add the D810 to your list as they should be available at great prices right now.

A7ii just wasn't fun to shoot with. Any size advantage was lost once I started using larger lenses and battery life was putrid. Images were great, but I didn't love the shooting experience.

The 5DSR is decent all around and IMO Canon offers the best price/quality ratio on lenses vs. all other first party manufacturers.

Regarding the tripod, that's always going to give you the best quality, but faster shutter speeds will easily allow you to shoot a 5DSR or D8xx handheld. Keep in mind that more detail also means you're more likely to see any flaws. Downsample to 24mp or whatever and you'll have similar results as other cameras. Regardless, even without downsampling, i've used both handheld without any issues.

I don't think you can make a bad choice between Canon/Nikon here. Slightly better DR on the Nikon, more MP on the Canon. They're both phenomenal.
 
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..... I was also wondering if people had much confidence in the weather sealing, given some care, of course, to avoid prolonged exposure to rain.....
This article by Imaging Resource concerning rain may be useful to you:


I'm not sure if you are buying a 5DS-R in Europe or in the UK? There are some reliable grey importers for the UK at great prices. I have one 5DS-R and two 5D Mark IVs. All are grey and all are registered by me with CPS.
 
I have used my 5DSR at temps well below 0F without problem, although using multiple batteries and keep them warm is required. I love it for Landscapes. You get so much detail that you have lots of room to crop, and the B & W conversions are easy with all of the data you have. I do shoot at higher shutter speeds that I do with my other cameras, but I have no problem hand holding landscapes. The attached image was shot hand held with a Canon 100 - 400 zoom at 400mm at 1/500. The lens has very good IS making it a good lens for this camera.





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bobweberphotography.com
 
I have not used my 5DsR in the rain much, so I can't comment on that.

I do not use a grip either, but carry extra batteries where they will stay warm. After a few of charges, I have been satisfied with their performance.

I feel that one of the advantages of Canon's 5DsR is the ability to crop quite a bit.
Thanks! That's good to know about the batteries.
 
I didn't want to distract from the other thread, so I thought I might ask a few questions in a new one.

I'm planning on switching from using a Sony A7ii (now sold) as a complement to my Sigma cameras to a DSLR. The main reason for moving out of the Sony camera world is size; I find the smaller cameras fiddly in winter. I had a chance to handle a Nikon D500 and a 5DSr and was very happy with the ergonomics of both cameras. I'm used to larger cameras (I spent a lot of time at one point working with 6x6 and 6x7 medium format film), and I do a lot of photography in temperatures that require gloves.

My budget is not unlimited (hence the D850 at European prices is out), but I'd like a camera that would work well enough for both some wildlife and also for landscapes. The D500 favours the former, but I've seen good work with the 5DSr. More to the point, my impression from working with downloaded files is that the 5DSr, when used carefully, is a superior landscape camera to most others (I recognise the D500 is not mainly geared towards landscapes, but of course talented photographers get excellent results from it, too). In any case, I can get a used 5DSr at a good price that would allow me to buy a couple lenses. I have no relevant investment in lenses.

Given all that, I was curious to hear if people had much in the way of experience using the 5DSr in cold conditions over extended periods, since that is a lot when I photograph. The Sony was not ace on that front. I was also wondering if people had much confidence in the weather sealing, given some care, of course, to avoid prolonged exposure to rain. Lastly, I was curious to hear how people felt about doing black and white work with the camera. I've seen some stunning examples, but others' experience would be helpful to hear about.

All thoughts are of course greatly appreciated.

P.S. I feel I should stress that I'm not really asking for a comparison between Canon and Nikon cameras, which I realise is a vexed issue. I'm more interested in understanding how well the 5DSr would work on its own terms for my uses.
I've never had an issue in the cold with my 5Dsr, although my fingers don't always hold up so well (in fingerless gloves). Though it is spec'd at 0-40, as are many others.

I find black and white works really well as you can shoot in B+W and so review them that way, but have a colour (capable) Raw file so you can do the conversion the way you want later (e.g. including simulated use of a colour filter on the lens). I find I visualise quite well in B+W but for people who don't an EVF where you see the B+W image while you're shooting can be beneficial. (BTW I use Franzis B+W Projects 5 software for conversions https://www.projects-software.com/black-white ).

I found a comparison (of sorts):

View attachment 46e304d122814d68bcb4b663ed5862e0.jpg
5Dsr SooC JPEG (so what you'd see on the rear screen)

TMax 400 scanned at 6MP
TMax 400 scanned at 6MP

View attachment 9fde9a25747a4c959ff4e93128cc40e8.jpg
Instant-ish conversion from Raw file (done while writing the post).Less detail as I left simulated grain on (I said it was quick).

Don't know if that's any use?

(Edit) I don't find a tripod necessary to get pixel-sharp shots, hand-held is fine if the shutter speed is suitable. I'd second that the 100 L is sensational for non-macro work on a 5Dsr, when it's a suitable focal length.
Thank you very much for the extremely helpful (and tasteful) images and comments. I compose in colour and convert later. It's one reason why I prefer the OVF – I find the process a bit easier mentally. But of course that's just a personal preference. Thanks for the tip on the conversion software, too. I'll check it out. Thank you, too, for the cold weather information.
 
I have used my 5DSR at temps well below 0F without problem, although using multiple batteries and keep them warm is required. I love it for Landscapes. You get so much detail that you have lots of room to crop, and the B & W conversions are easy with all of the data you have. I do shoot at higher shutter speeds that I do with my other cameras, but I have no problem hand holding landscapes. The attached image was shot hand held with a Canon 100 - 400 zoom at 400mm at 1/500. The lens has very good IS making it a good lens for this camera.

92f685963fda44639b730cae7f7af612.jpg

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bobweberphotography.com
Lovely image. I also looked the landscapes on your website. Great stuff! Good to hear about the handholding. I've seen quite a few sharp handheld images. Do you run into problems at all raising the ISO to keep the shutter speed higher?
 
I do not like to shoot with a high ISO. I think it is a holdover from my film days. I used to shoot with a Pentax 6 x7 ii that I loved. I never shoot above ISO 1200, and I have not had a problem.
 
I've used the A7ii, 5DSR and D800. They're all great cameras. Each with advantages and disadvantages.
If you prefer a larger body with buttons that are easier to handle, both Nikon and Canon won't let you down. I haven't used the 5DSR is below freezing temperatures yet, but it was close to freezing without any issues. I don't think you could go wrong with either.
Thanks, that's helpful!
I've never trusted weather sealing and believe a plastic ziplock back is a great way to protect gear (and you can cut a hole for the lens and fix it with a rubber band). I always keep a few in my bag.
I feel the same way. I always care something to protect the camera with, but it's not always easy to avoid some exposure, especially when the weather changes quickly.
My biggest complaint with the D800 was that it was physically a bit too large and bulky for me to carry comfortably, otherwise it was great. Why not add the D810 to your list as they should be available at great prices right now.
It's a possibility and quite affordable, too.
A7ii just wasn't fun to shoot with. Any size advantage was lost once I started using larger lenses and battery life was putrid. Images were great, but I didn't love the shooting experience.
My experiences sound similar to yours. It's fair to say that I had genuinely mixed feelings about the A7ii. I enjoyed shooting older manual lenses on it. I found the magnification focus aid very effective, and I learned to work quickly with it provided I pre-focused intelligently. However, at least for me, there were a great many operational frustrations. The oversensitive eye-sensor made using the rear screen as a waist-level finder impossible, unless one was permanently in monitor rather than EVF mode. The fact that no button could be assigned to switch between them thwarted a sensible workaround. The camera sometimes worked poorly in the cold, and I found the size to be too large to be truly small for travelling and too small to be enjoyable to handle even with thin gloves. I did appreciate the images I got from it, and I could imagine re-buying one in a few years when they are bound to be very cheap as an inexpensive way to mount legacy glass.
The 5DSR is decent all around and IMO Canon offers the best price/quality ratio on lenses vs. all other first party manufacturers.
I have the impression that Canon offers a particularly attractive lens system. With 3rd party manufacturers like Sigma, too, there are now a great many excellent options at different price points, at least from what I can tell.
Regarding the tripod, that's always going to give you the best quality, but faster shutter speeds will easily allow you to shoot a 5DSR or D8xx handheld. Keep in mind that more detail also means you're more likely to see any flaws. Downsample to 24mp or whatever and you'll have similar results as other cameras. Regardless, even without downsampling, i've used both handheld without any issues.
Good to know!
I don't think you can make a bad choice between Canon/Nikon here. Slightly better DR on the Nikon, more MP on the Canon. They're both phenomenal.
I was curious about the DR issue if you have any thoughts. I have the sense that in use not many photographers have found it restrictive. I feel like there is a vague air of negativity sometimes about the 5DSr, but from what I've seen and read, it sounds like a generally very good camera if you don't need a high frame rate, at least. I prefer the renderings of landscapes I've seen from it to the Nikon D8xxx cameras, but I don't discount the possibility that I'm suffering from some sort of confirmation bias.
 
The 5DSR does well in cold weather -7C is the coldest I have tried, and I have used a 5D3 in -20C on Svalbart without any issues, so no problem on that front. The batteries loose capacity when cold as all batteries do.

I get jaw dropping resolution with the 35L II, 100L IS, 135ART, 300L II and the 800L. The newest zooms are really great too.

B/W pictures have the same high res pop and also at higher ISOs, whereas up to 400ISO is phenomenal and up to 1600ISO is great with colors.

I don’t have problems using it as an all-round camera without a tripod, but camera shake and missed focus is much more visible when pixel peeping than on any other camera I have used.
 
It was bird and wildlife images, including birds in flight, that helped convince me to buy a 5Ds R. The 5Ds R has better AF than the 7D Mark II, and plenty of people use the 7D Mark II for birds and wildlife. The 5Ds R has a slower frame rate than the 7D Mark II; it is a matter of choosing which feature(s) are more important. (I have 5Ds R and 7D Mark II cameras.)
That's a helpful way of putting things. Thanks!
The D500 will, of course, be better for fast-flying small birds with numerous objects in the background. A very talented/artistic member of the FM and DPR forums, arbitrage, a long-time Canon shooter, added a D500 for this reason. Look for his images and narratives. He, and other bird photographers, inclding my D500-shooting wife, helped convince me to add a D500, though in my case, I was already using a D3s for low-light action, anyway, so it was not a matter of suddenly adding a new system. (I was using both Canon and Nikon gear in my first few months of SLR shooting, and evolved into Canon being my dominant system. My wife being a Nikon shooter, we share some equipment, though not normally camera bodies.)
Interesting!
I cannot be helpful regarding cold weather conditions. Here in SE Texas, it is the opposite of cold.

To be clear, I am not a pro, and not an expert. :-)

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Neither am I. I appreciate your taking the time to offer your thoughts.

I wore a police badge and pistol, and made evidentiary images at night, incorporating elements of portrait, macro, still life, landscape, architecture, and PJ. (Retired January 2018.) I enjoy using both Canons and Nikons.
 
The build quality of the 5DS - without an "r" in my case - is spectacular, you can't go wrong with a 5 series camera by Canon, cold weather is not an issue, this a camera built to face hardships but of course just like every other digital ILC we are talking about electronics, stuff that doesn't coexist too well with bad weather, but I guess that cameras in this class can survive much more hardships than we think.

In my experience the only drawback of these cameras - DS and DSr - is the constant need of a tripod to get clean shots, but not all human hands are created equally firm so this can be a highly subjective issue. On another level, if you really want to exploit the sensational resolving power of the sensor (and take advantage of its cropping possibilities) you'll need the best Canon glass, the 100mm macro L (or even the old 50mm 2.5) is a good example of this: you will not believe your eyes.
Thanks for the lens advice and other information. One thought I've had is that the higher resolution seems like a win-win for the most part. If you can take advantage of it (tripod or no) in a particular situation, you've got it. If not, one can downscale and not be much the worse for wear than having had a lower resolution camera to start with.
 
..... I was also wondering if people had much confidence in the weather sealing, given some care, of course, to avoid prolonged exposure to rain.....
This article by Imaging Resource concerning rain may be useful to you:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/art...d850-vs-sony-a7riii-canon-5div-olympus-e-m1II

I'm not sure if you are buying a 5DS-R in Europe or in the UK? There are some reliable grey importers for the UK at great prices. I have one 5DS-R and two 5D Mark IVs. All are grey and all are registered by me with CPS.
 
The 5DSR does well in cold weather -7C is the coldest I have tried, and I have used a 5D3 in -20C on Svalbart without any issues, so no problem on that front. The batteries loose capacity when cold as all batteries do.

I get jaw dropping resolution with the 35L II, 100L IS, 135ART, 300L II and the 800L. The newest zooms are really great too.

B/W pictures have the same high res pop and also at higher ISOs, whereas up to 400ISO is phenomenal and up to 1600ISO is great with colors.

I don’t have problems using it as an all-round camera without a tripod, but camera shake and missed focus is much more visible when pixel peeping than on any other camera I have used.
That's very helpful and reassuring. I also appreciate the lens advice.

It sounds like a camera that works really well, provided it's used with care. I have to say the files I've played with have impressed me a great deal.
 

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