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YI has to pay Olympus/Panasonic a license to do m43rds. m43rs contrary to what many think it's not an Open system where any manufacturer can join free of charge.
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No, the latest, just announced entry level Fuji is 16MP and no PDAF. And it's literally identical to their last entry level model, which was 16mp and no PDAF. So they didn't even bother releasing it outside Asia.
So go complain on the Fuji forum.
No they didn't. They do the exact same thing as Canon, Olympus and Panasonic do. And for the very same reasons, I believe.
I don't consider GX8 or PEN-F to be flagships. Nor 20mp to be anything exotic. The 20mp in E-M1 Mark II is exotic, but that's because it's a completely different sensor.
It boggles my mind that people get so worked up over 4 extra mp, as if it has any impact on image quality. For all the characteristics and performance of a sensor, small variation in pixel count is completely insignificant.
I do have to wonder if the people that complain about it so vocally did the same when Nikon decided to go down from 24 to 20mp. I don't recall any drama surrounding the release of D500 and its 20mp sensor.
Well, there you go. Free market, there are options.
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I agree, I wouldn't mind if the 16mp sensor cameras actually had a noticeable improvement in ISO etc but in 5 years it has basically got no better (or cheaper).
I'd like to replace my GM1 this year (it's on its last legs), and was hoping the 20MP sensor might have FINALLY trickled down to either of the smaller Pan/Oly budget models in 2018. But no.
Companies like Apple on the other hand should be commended for their efforts on improving the iPhone camera over the same time period.
I'd like to replace my GM1 this year (it's on its last legs), and was hoping the 20MP sensor might have FINALLY trickled down to either of the smaller Pan/Oly budget models in 2018. But no.
Companies like Apple on the other hand should be commended for their efforts on improving the iPhone camera over the same time period.
While I agree 20 MP would probably be more appropriate, there is no going back here. EPL line just retains the 16 MP sensor which for a low end model is fine. Nikon used 24 Mp sensors and good ones actually but got the D500 a 20MP one. D7500 has a 20Mp sensor too (didn'tcheck it).
Just a low end model and for its audience mostly no problem at all.
Just a low end model and for its audience mostly no problem at all.
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My issue is not the resolution but the sensor technology. For low end, having more DR is good for providing more exposure lee way. And then there's market movement like Fuji A5, and whatever Nikon is about to announce mirrorless this year and maybe even the next gen of Canon EOS which is already dominating some markets, ironically.
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Totally agree.
EOS M is a clear leader in Japan I think. Not the most well spec'd cam at all. So that should may be speak volumes in another direction.
Panasonic and Olympus churn out quite a lot of camera's ranging from GF10 and EPl5 all the way to G9 and GH5s and, if rumours are correct, everything in between like the (much) anticipated GX9.
There is really nothing more they can do and a low end 16 MP mFT camera has very little influence on profits. The low end does not seem to be profitable market at all, which is probably why we see quite high end models at 1500 dollar+ prices these days. Olympus I think made a good profit almost exclusively due to Em1.2 if I remember correctly.
Panasonic and Olympus churn out quite a lot of camera's ranging from GF10 and EPl5 all the way to G9 and GH5s and, if rumours are correct, everything in between like the (much) anticipated GX9.
There is really nothing more they can do and a low end 16 MP mFT camera has very little influence on profits. The low end does not seem to be profitable market at all, which is probably why we see quite high end models at 1500 dollar+ prices these days. Olympus I think made a good profit almost exclusively due to Em1.2 if I remember correctly.
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no but I have driven an f2000 car around a race track. pretty I wouldn't find it very satisfying in a car park
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The issue I really see here is the death of the small m43rds cam. If they really ignore those models at the more pro scale, I predict another 4/3rds collapse. Or at least diminishment. Between a same size mirrorless NIkon or near same size, and the high end, the market will pick the NIkon (same with Canon), etc.
what Canon caused its users to endure a few years ago. They kept the same 18MP sensor alive for about a dozen different models. One big difference is that they didn't have anything better available so maybe you could forgive that. Oly and Panny both have access to a better sensor, so there is no excuse for them other than playing their customers for suckers. Don't tell me it is cost that keeps it out of the camera as the Chinese make a $300 camera with it.
Keep playing your customers for suckers Oly and Panny. They WILL wise up eventually.
The MP count isn't the only issue, just one of them. The new sensor is better. Not by a lot, but m43 is already behind in IQ compared to larger formats so they need everything they can get.
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Yep. They are focusing on replacing the high end Canon and Nikon DSLRs. They'll never succeed there, and while they are busy trying to do something they will fail at, the rest of the cameras are falling pitifully behind.
Every APSC camera I know of has had a 24MP sensor for quite some time now. To think that people are going to buy a smaller sensor 16MP camera for often times more money is suicidal.
I did see one thing about the EPL9 that I liked though. They finally put back the built in flash. Only took them 7 iterations of the camera to realize their mistake (EPL2 was last to have BIF). That doesn't bode well for the future.
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*with a kit lens* and yet it's $300 USD... right?I suppose the suggestion that Sony, a Japanese manufacturer, is giving YI Technologies, a Chinese manufacturer some concessions bore Japanese peers, is very hard to swallow.
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