Lens calibration

I have a D7200, so I'm strictly trial and error or "likely to be reliable"....
Some on this forum seem oblivious as to how to focus to a good standard :-(

Some even refuse to accept Nikon might be trying to be helpful in links like https://www.nikonimgsupport.com/eu/BV_article?articleNo=000004933&lang=en_GB&setRedirect=true

Your gear profile includes the 85mm f1.8.

You should know how much resolution this lens can produce on your D7200 and, as your gear comments note, your 70-300 at 300mm is a little behind.

My advice is, unless you get regular front or back focus by a similar amount in the same direction there is no point in considering fine tune.

Fine tune makes a constant small adjustment in a single direction.

For those reporting large front and back focus variations fine tune is not the answer as it is only for small adjustment and only in one direction. Following the Nikon guidance above might be at least part of an answer.

For those suggesting fine tune can help when an occasional photo is off by several feet - sorry - fine tune is not for several feet, or an occasional issue.

If you have a reason to think you have an issue with a particular item by all means investigate further.
 
n you get decent results through trial and error & persistence. I have a tripod and use LR fwiw....)
Trial and error is best narrowed down to "likely to be reliable" :-)

If you need anything near 20 either AF cannot accurately detect the subject or the lens/camera body ideally needs a service.

If you find a problem and have more than one lens and body it should not take long to determine if the problem is with the lens or with the body.
I have a D7200, so I'm strictly trial and error or "likely to be reliable"....

thanks for the suggestions.
You may not need software plus a commercially available target. You need a good target though. In fact Nikon boxes with their bar code and writing are not bad at all , if you are trying to tune for a shooting distance of 20 - 40 x focal length. You could just go and do several (say 6) shots * at each AF tune value. Its only worth to try AF values which are multiples of 5 units for a first round of tests. Judge how consistently a AF tune value is better than other values. Be very critical of hints to camera shake. 85mm should be 'easy', 300mm not so easy. Certainly use MUP with remote (this cheap IR remote is great for this experiment). Make sure you got lots of light on your target (spare poor lighting for a later test).

* do half of your shots starting AF from a back-focused lens setting and the other half from front-focused setting. Keep track. I find that for several of my lenses, the average difference in achieved focus corresponds to several AF tune value steps (like 5).

You can augment the basic setup with a slanted ruler, or judiciously placed AA batteries to judge out of focus parts in the image. Be aware of DoF. Pixel peepers DoF (I define that as CoC = 10 micro meters) comes to +- 18mm for f/1.8 at reduction ratio of 31.6 (sqrt 1000 ).
 
Originally, when Michael Tapes developed LensAlign, determining the sharpest point of adjustment had to be done manually, using the target & ruler setup he offered at the time. This method still works; but is very tedious. He did a video on how to do it here
. If you only purchased the LensAlign product, and not his later, Focus Tune software, you can still calibrate your lenses this old way. What you were attempting to do with this method was to tune your lens to a point where the ")" that appears on his ruler is the sharpest it can be. First you set up you lens and camera at the proper distance from each other (Tapes, I believe, still has an on-line automated distance tool to figure this out for you. Otherwise, you must use his formula; and figure it out yourself). Using his actual formula, for the 105mm lens, that distance is set at 8feet, 7.35inches from sensor mark on your camera body to the Tapes' target. Then, you performed these steps:
  • Set the camera to shoot monochrome images
  • Set the camera to either Manual Mode or Aperture Priority Mode
  • Set the camera to use only a single auto focus point in the center of the viewfinder
  • Set the camera to shoot only a single image when the shutter is pressed
  • Turn the camera’s Fine Tune setting to “Off” for your test shot
  • Set the aperture to F/8 for your test shot and in order to see if the LensAlign target is centered
  • Set the camera to shoot Large, Fine, JPEG images
  • Use a tripod and a cable release
  • Set the "sensor plane" (which is usually marked on top of the camera body. The D800 has it in white, next to the top LCD window as an oblong circle with a line through it); and not the front of the lens, at the correct distance from the front of the LensAlign target.
  • Make sure the LensAlign target is perfectly centered (view a test shot on your computer screen to make sure-see 12, below)
  • Make sure the background, behind the LensAlign is black, or dark
  • Shoot a test shot to determine if the LensAlign target is correctly centered
  • If satisfied the LensAlign target is perfectly centered, change your aperture to its lowest number (i.e.; F/1.8 or 2.8, etc.- as long as your highlights are visible in the image; and not blown out)
  • Turn the camera’s Fine Tune setting back to “On” for your Fine Tune adjustment shots
  • Defocus the lens by manually moving the lens focus all the way to one side. Half-press the shutter to reacquire autofocus. Shoot an image; and look at it on the computer screen for accuracy of the “O” being in focus. The smaller numbers on the ruler give a better evaluation.
  • If necessary, go into the camera’s Fine Tune menu and adjust the focus point at various “+” or “-“settings. Defocus the lens, again; and re-shoot at those various new settings. After each test shot, re-evaluate the sharpness of the “O” on the LensAlign ruler. Keep adjusting your Fine Tune settings until the “O” on the LensAlign ruler is its sharpest.
  • Once properly adjusted, leave the camera’s Fine Tune setting “On”.
  • Go out; and take a few "field" shots; and evaluate them accuracy on your computer.
Later, Tapes offered software to save you the tedious process of having to repeatedly shoot and evaluate the "O" mark on the ruler. That software is called Focus Tune. If you bought that, as well as the LensAlign device, you still followed steps 1 through 15, above; but can plug your shots in unison into his software. The computer, then, evaluates the sharpest point of ")" on the ruler. Unfortunately, you also had to buy a newer ruler & different target from him to use it. If I'm not mistaken, Tapes demonstrates that system here:

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The D800e/D810 focused on the wire fence against the trunk; after -10 I think the focus issue is resolved.

Here is a crop of a close-up, with virtual horizon, M mode, SB700 flash, focused on nose of this eyes of the face

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I was concerned because @ f/4 and 40 feet, I expected enough depth of field for the tree trunk to be in focus.
 
At at f/5.6, before the -10 adjustment, the wall behind the Aztec calendar was more in focus than the face; here is f/2.2

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At at f/5.6, before the -10 adjustment, the wall behind the Aztec calendar was more in focus than the face; here is f/2.2

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When doing fine-tuning tests, I would think that it should be done at the the most wide open, that is 1.4. You want your dof is narrow as possible.

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At at f/5.6, before the -10 adjustment, the wall behind the Aztec calendar was more in focus than the face; here is f/2.2

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The user manual for your D810 explains why AF might not be accurate with a subject like this.

The Nikon advice with a subject like this if phase detect AF does not get focus right is either find a better target at the same distance (not possible as the wall is further away) - or switch to manual focus :-)

With a tripod and Liveview getting sharp focus on a challenging phase detect AF subject like this is quite easy :-D

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In lots of ways good photography is much more about how equipment is used rather than the equipment being used.
 
Thanks everyone for all your for the recommendation. Even for someone who rarely shoots any lens wide open, missing the point of focus consistently @f/4 at such a distance raised doubts. Such a miss almost never occurred with my 70-200mm vr ii at any length. I recognize my target/conditions/technique were not indicated for lens tuning but the -10 adjustment I think this is resolved.
 
Even for someone who rarely shoots any lens wide open, missing the point of focus consistently @f/4 at such a distance raised doubts.
"Yes- but" - did you shoot subjects which might cause poor focus accuracy with the other lens?

Results with more straightforward subjects are usually more relevant in deciding if your equipment is working good

https://www.nikonimgsupport.com/eu/BV_article?articleNo=000004933&lang=en_GB&setRedirect=true

On a minor detail "viewfinder AF" is done with the lens wide open.

Stopping down results in more depth of field which may mask focus errors at small viewing magnifications.

Viewing the intended focus point at 100% is usually enough to show if focus was good even with image taken with the lens stopped down.
 
I apologize/apologise to everyone for belaboring this topic. Today I tried my original test object, a tree (not the close-up of the Aztec calendar was the second test) approximately 40 feet away; seems that my D810 has no problem distinguishing the tree/fence from the background. The only difference is a focus tuning adjustment of -15 @ f/1.4. Sharpness/focus accuracy look (to me) greatly improved; only LR adjustments made were "Remove Chromatic Aberration" and "Enable Profile Corrections".

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I apologize/apologise to everyone for belaboring this topic. Today I tried my original test object, a tree (not the close-up of the Aztec calendar was the second test) approximately 40 feet away; seems that my D810 has no problem distinguishing the tree/fence from the background. The only difference is a focus tuning adjustment of -15 @ f/1.4. Sharpness/focus accuracy look (to me) greatly improved; only LR adjustments made were "Remove Chromatic Aberration" and "Enable Profile Corrections".

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YES BUT - why not learn how to use your camera properly?

Page 99 (UK edition) of the D810 User Manual clarifies AF may not be accurate with subjects with very low contrast or very fine detail - your tree trunk has both :-(

With a target like the one you have used what you are likely to have done is measure how inaccurate focus is with a subject where focus is likely to be inaccurate ;-)

Based solely on this image your camera is unlikely to need fine tune.

If there is an issue with a subject where AF should be good this is a different situation.

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Leonard Shepherd
In lots of ways good photography is much more about how equipment is used rather than the equipment being used.
 
If this is the tree you referred to earlier where you "expected" enough depth of field:- based on the formula Nikon use for calculating dof (there are others) total dof in front and behind the tree at 105 mm f1.4 would be about 5 feet, with around 3 feet behind the focus point within the zone of acceptable sharpness..

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Leonard Shepherd
In lots of ways good photography is much more about how equipment is used rather than the equipment being used.
 
Yes this is the original "test tree" - yesterday when I dialed back to "default", a similar result that prompted me to auto focus tune; the very first photos taken at f/2.2 the split firewood in the background was consistently sharp and the trunk was blurred. Through the D810/D800e viewfinder, I could see the rusted wire fence. Total of 60+ photos, I deleted all but two since I consider this issue as resolved.

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I emailed two photos with details to Nikon Support and received a reply the next day, including a link about proper lens testing. Although I was informed that my test target was questionable, the reply ended with:

"...If you are happy with the measurement you have now" ( which was - 17 ) " there is no need to re-adjust, but in my opinion the service department should be able to get your lens and body to focus closer to the zero mark."

Today I returned the lens to the store (it will be sent to Nikon) and obtained another copy that is spot without any focus adjustment. I'm happy.

Here is the link:

 
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Today I returned the lens to the store (it will be sent to Nikon) and obtained another copy that is spot without any focus adjustment. I'm happy.
This is how it should be, ideally first time around.
 
I wasted so much time with the test shots which eventually got on my wife's nerves...she started to ask me how much the lens cost, etc. - that prompted a quick trip back to the store.
 
I wasted so much time with the test shots which eventually got on my wife's nerves...she started to ask me how much the lens cost, etc. - that prompted a quick trip back to the store.

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Es mejor pescar que ser pescado.
So, really you have your wife to thank :-)

Cheers, Andrew
 
Hmmmm...yes, returning to the store got her off my back and got me a lens that focuses. But if I die tomorrow , I hope she doesn't sell my camera gear for what I say it cost me.
 

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