graybalanced
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Much of that is true, although the vast majority of PC users never open their machines either. And the most sealed Apple products - MacBook, iPhone, iPad - have no fan.
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Thomas Guenther
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Macbook Pro 15'' late 2015
Macbook Pro 15'' Touch bar late 2016
... and here are the friends....
All pictures/screenshots from iFixit! Have a look there before posting unverified statements!
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Double-check yourself before accusing others of posting incorrect information. Graybalanced was talking about the MacBook, not the the MacBook Pro.
If your computer is plugged in, the power is supplied by the mains and the battery will not be solicitated. It thus also only undergoes natural discharge. And this only triggers a new (partial) charge cycle when the battery charge level drops below 95%. For a computer sleeping overnight, this might lead to exactly the same number of (partial) charge cycles.
An increase of two seconds to two minutes is not negligible.
Thomas Guenther
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And you are Mr. Right? THE referee?
All MacBooks are provided with fans, unibody versions Only the MacBooks with Retina do not have fans. But their processors and other ingredients are optimised in low power consumption.
And it’s the older generation of MacBooks which are the ones prone to massive use of swapfiles ( which there usually resides inside the OS file system and is accessible from running system and resides physically on a hard drive Disk.
But again, swap file and hibernation partition (now) are complete different things. As far as you might be able to overlook and, for sure, understand .
And the OP did neither as on swap files nor fans in Macs.
No, you started a personal attack (accusing somebody of not verifying his or her statements when in fact it was you who failed to do so). I just turned your accusation around. It's a simple fact that when you accuse somebody of negligence, you are judged by a higher standard compared to if you simply try to correct a mistake.
Apparently, accusing somebody falsely of negligence is ok (that is what you did). But accusing somebody correctly of negligence is not ok (what I did).
And it was obvious to anybody (who was paying sufficient attention) that this is the MacBook graybalanced was referring to (not least since it is only MacBook currently sold and it is over six years that MacBooks with fans were sold).
Thomas Guenther
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10 so only you are the master attendee
20 mix up apples and pears to you argumentative liking
30 claim your findings
40 receive contradictions
50 telling everybody that they are wrong
60 go to 10
Graybalance was right. You said he was wrong and accused him of negligence. I called out your incorrect accusation. That's all there is to it. You can try to keep changing the topic if you want, but I doubt anybody will fall for it.
I have never shutdown my mac. Always sleep. Only reboot if updates needed to be installed or system was going wonky (rare). MacOS doesn't have the weird sleep behavior Windows used to have with waking up while being closed and draining your battery and wake instantaneously, unless left in sleep for days at a time when it suspends to disk. I always tweak my suspend to disk to trigger only after 24 hours, and never had a drained battery or loss of work. I do have a habit of not leaving unsaved work open and closing programs, but the immediate wake is just so much more pleasant than first having to boot.
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IMac, iMac Pro, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, Mac Mini, Mac Pro.
Six is greater than three. DERP.
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Most Macs in use today have SSDs. They boot in 17 seconds. Negligible.
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When I boot my Mac, the CPU is pegged for at least a full minute with all the various processes that run as various applications and services are launched (I only can really observe it after a utility like Activity Monitor has launched, thus I cannot say whether the CPU is also pegged during the period leading up to that). But I guess, if I had a PCIe SSD (instead of a SATA SSD), that would make my CPU run faster.
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SSDs can't make a CPU run faster. Computer systems don't work that way.
Newer PCIe SSDs have no effect on startup time vs. SATA. Each will start in 17 seconds with minimal login items.
johnbandry
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None of those six is sealed, so "the most sealed products" is correct, and he didn't write "most sealed", so it wasn't a numeric comparison to start with. DERP yourself.
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The iMac and iMac Pro absolutely are sealed. Using double-sided tape.
The Mac Mini, 2013 Mac Pro, and Macbook variants need to be disassembled to be cleaned in a significant way.
I'll upgrade DERP to a straight-up DUH for you.
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Pray tell.
Is that some constant that is programmed into firmware? That all Macs, regardless of how fast the CPU or SSD is, start up in exactly the same number of seconds?
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No, I won't hold it for you the next time you need to leak.
Comparisons based on a 2015 21.5" 2.8 i5 (Thunderbolt2/SATA) 1080P, a 2015 27" 3.2 i5 (Thunderbolt2/SATA) 5K, and a 2016 15" Macbook Pro 2.7 i7 (512 PCIe).
Two different models of iMac, booting externally via Thunderbolt 2 SATA SSD (~500MB/sec read) startup in exactly the same amount of time as a PCIe Macbook Pro (3200MB/sec read). All three have widely-varying processor speeds, RAM amounts, and graphical output stresses. None of this matters. 17 seconds from button press, as timed by me.
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You know, some people would have said that their three computers (of very similar age) incidentally happen to have the same exact startup time.
But others will proclaim that all Macs in use today [with an SSD], regardless of age, number of login items, etc. will also have exactly the same startup time. Naive might be the most charitable way to describe the latter position, though many other words come to mind as well.
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I can't control for n00bs who want 30+ login items.
But you have apparently no problems make preposterous statements that pretend that other computer ages and usage scenarios than yours don't really exist (or if they exist, should be heavily frowned upon and dismissed as irrelevant).
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