LOL! I see neon greens, as simple as that.
What if I have seen hundreds of Sony photos with neon greens taken by different people with different profiles and they all suck?
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I guess so, with "best" being subjective. There is no unique way to measure what is best. Also, they evolve with time. Unfortunately, not for good. The 5DS/R ones and the 5D4 "camera" ones have very strong contrast, which cannot be reverted by moving the contrast slider. Also, Adobe render reds as orange for some reason only they know.
There is no easy answer because there are many ways to do it. I have seen posts by the main Adobe color guy (Chan, I believe). He talks about not just color fidelity but optimizing the DR. The best fidelity in the medium of the tonal range may blow the highlights in some channel sooner than a less accurate profile, etc. Optimizations like those are typically done with some choice of a functional (which is subjective) and subject to some constraints. They may just do it with a trial and error.
AFAIK, Canon would never comment on the way they created their profiles. My guess is that skin tones take priority there.
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Which in no way makes your original point with the examples linked.
And that still doesn't mean the examples you linked make your point. Just means you see green a lot
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Why would I even care to make any effort in that. I was only discussing why the images you linked do not make the color point you were trying to. These images don't seem to make that point either
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The photos are so small I can't even see if anyone is carrying a camera at all, much less who has the Sony. Maybe if the people with a Canon or Nikon had a supertelephoto I could. ;-)
Well, Sony cameras are so compact that you would not be able to spot them even if those dinosaur Canikons had telephoto supertelephoto lenses.The photos are so small I can't even see if anyone is carrying a camera at all, much less who has the Sony. Maybe if the people with a Canon or Nikon had a supertelephoto I could. ;-)
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If there were no differences in colour profiles there would't be a need for CWB, me thinks.
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LOL, that's funny. If these are the final results, I'd pick up #1 any day - better DR, more pleasing colors :-D without knowing which is from which camera actually. But for a fair game, post RAW files and let's each independently process and compare.#1
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Victor Engel
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I hope I'm not changing the subject too much, but I recall that when the 5DS cameras first came out, the Adobe profiles were noted to be much different from what we had seen before, with steeper (more contrasty) curves, for example. This had a consequence of making the noise look worse than it was, among other things.
After some time of people discussing the issue, there was a post that someone made saying something to the effect that Adobe didn't know what all the hoopla was about. They changed the standard profile to one that was more pleasing. I'd look up the relevant post for a more accurate citation, but I don't have time at the moment.
The point is, the color difference was not a failed attempt to get colors to look the same, it was a purposeful attempt to get them to look different.
Thus began a discussion of whether the past practice of using Adobe profiles to align disparate cameras to each other was folly and a recommendation to make your own profiles.
Unfortunately, by that time, many people had already been using Adobe profiles as a sort of benchmarks to compare on the same footing, so it was not possible to continue a practice of using custom profiles, since that had not been done up to that point.
After much griping and gnashing of teeth, Adobe relented and published updated profiles.
They did that for the 5DS/R only and no other camera after that.
The 5D4 Camera profiles are too contrasty but not the Adobe one.
Victor Engel
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An image from that camera is in the original post, so I think it is relevant.
I'll take your word for it. I've not looked.
I did not say it was not. My point is that this was an one time thing, hardly a new trend.
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