toomanycanons
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I'm all about IQ. If your D800E took "great images" that would be enough for me. Shutter and mirror action? Last on my list of things to potentially get bothered about.
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D750 versus D800
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Swap lenses sometime and you will see the difference. I went AF-S 80-200 to 70-200VRII and the sharpness difference is very noticeable. It is a 10 year difference in Nikon's lens knowledge between the two lenses.
BTW - Hope you did not mean the 1997 AF-D 80-200, the difference is even bigger.
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Yes the ten year difference in lenses = the difference seen in the shots. That is why I asked if the same lens was used.
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Thought you were sleeping with a couple of D850's now, LOL!
I wish I had the money to move up, but I cannot justify the extra expense for what I shoot. Don't crop much & my biggest display size is 8X10 (iPad) or a 4K TV at normal viewing distances in a family room. Anything over 10MP looks the same at these presentation sizes.
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Swap lenses sometime and you will see the difference. I went AF-S 80-200 to 70-200VRII and the sharpness difference is very noticeable. It is a 10 year difference in Nikon's lens knowledge between the two lenses.
BTW - Hope you did not mean the 1997 AF-D 80-200, the difference is even bigger.
Yes. It is the old push pull. For the projects I do, I get to use monolights, so lots of light so I get to stop down the lens to f8.
I can't say I've been complaining too much about the IQ from such an old lens.
I will perhaps be in a situation where I can do back to back testing on my D750 sometime this summer.
I almost pulled the trigger on a used Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8 at the end of last year for the jobs that were coming up at the beginning of this year.
But I'm thinking that this summer I'll probably finally pull the trigger.
As cheap as I am, and I hate spending money, I'm actually kinda eager to get into a newer telephoto f/2.8 zoom. LOL.
Take care & Happy Shooting!
sandy b
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Probably would not see a difference in an 11*17 print.
Sure, if you view it at 100% more detail. on the other hand, at 100% the D750 is much cleaner noise wise.
Now, if you shoot wildlife or landscape mostly, yeah, every little bit helps.
Bottom line, do we take pictures to look at them 100% on a monitor? maybe if you are a reviewer.
Sure, if you view it at 100% more detail. on the other hand, at 100% the D750 is much cleaner noise wise.
Now, if you shoot wildlife or landscape mostly, yeah, every little bit helps.
Bottom line, do we take pictures to look at them 100% on a monitor? maybe if you are a reviewer.
Reilly Diefenbach
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Yes, but you'll probably never go below 1.2 crop mode in actual use. The D800 high ISO is every bit as good IF you are using topaz Denoise or other good NR. More pixels=finer noise=more information with which to reconstitute/preserve detail. ISO 12,800 is quite usable if you know what to do with it.
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D800e vs D750
The low noise of the D750 is really nice. One of the best people cameras ever. But the D800e is capable of much better detail. Sharpening a D750 file I have always found a difficult task to get the best look. Prints might be a wash, but prints are always a wash at medium sizes.
The D800e focuses extremely well in low light. Better than the D810 by some accounts (Rishi,) and certainly better than my D7200. I see no huge difference between my D800e and my d850. A bit better is all. The D800e shutter is loud, thus not recommended for weddings. As to the image quality, it is stunning. There is very little difference between it and the D850 I now own.
Both the D750 and the D800e are great cameras. I have to have the pixels.
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Potentially in less than ideal light. That was one of the things that swayed me to the D750 for indoor sports.
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"Below the bottom line"
Extra detail within an image makes cropping into them easier IMHO.
We shoot wide so that I can crop out 4x6, 5x7 and 8x10 shots. And I want extra room so I have more image to work with to position the subject the way I want in the frame.
For a lot of my shooting I don't see the customers asking for a print bigger than 8x10. But one of our customers, I visited their house and they showed me one of the pictures I took of her and her husband. They had it printed out 4 feet wide and on their wall. It was beautiful. It's for cases like that that I want to target having that little bit more.
But also, I see the detail because I have to clean up and edit the files. I usually edit D800 files beside my D750 files. This year I am editing Canon 6D files beside my D750. But . . . while making changes, I zoom in to see how the edits affect the detail up close.
And then when I have to pull an image through Photoshop, I pixel peep (edit) quite a bit. I definitely see a difference there.
Take care & Happy Shooting!
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To each his own.
I was trying to note that if that's all you care about, fine; the D800 is the better choice.
But they all take great images. If you care how the camera feels and sounds - and the D800 sounds metallic - then you should see how they work in your hands. You will spend a lot of time with them there I would think.
I was trying to note that if that's all you care about, fine; the D800 is the better choice.
But they all take great images. If you care how the camera feels and sounds - and the D800 sounds metallic - then you should see how they work in your hands. You will spend a lot of time with them there I would think.
I have moved from a D7000 to a D800 about a year ago now, and I am very happy with my choice, but I think the best camera for you will depend on what you do.
The D800 pretty much has the same autofocus system than my old D7000, hence, it should be a bit slower than your D7100. The focusing is good, but you need to have some contrasty area, and it can be a bit slow to focus in dim lighting. So, if you need fast auto-focus, I bet that a D750 would be a better choice for you.
The problem with comparing ISO performance of the D800 and the D750 is that you need to sample down the D800 files to truly compare the results. I did not have the chance to look at D750 files, but my bet is that they probably are very similar. At the end of the day though, you don't buy a D800 to shoot at high ISO 90% of the time. My D800 is used mostly at base ISO (or under ISO 800), and I use it up to ISO 6400 (with good results) for family stuff indoors, but these shots are not my "main" photography subject.
At the end of the day, the real reason why you would want a D800 over a D750 is that you need/want more MP, and you also need a much better build and weather sealing body. To me, that means either professional studio/product photography or landscape photography.
Finally, consider that shooting a 36 MP camera will really show any flaws in your technique. The "reciprocal rule" (shutter speed needs to equal the focal length to avoid camera shake) is not true on a 36MP body. So, you will either need stabilized lenses, or you will have to increase the shutter speed for handheld shots (hence increase the ISO as well).
So, my point is this : the D750 and the D800 would both be great choices and provide a nice upgrade from your D7100, but a D800 will require more from you than a D750.
Leonard Shepherd
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Are you sure?
The D7000 has an old design 39 point AF system.
The D750 and D800 have a later generally faster 51 point AF system.
The D750 works in close to moonlight light levels though at more average light levels I have detected no AF speed difference.
The D800 screen coverage is usefully larger than that in the D750.
I must admit that I did not look at the specs, but I will say this: My D800 does not feel faster than my D7000. Now, the 51 points instead of the 39 does probably make it a tad more accurate, but this is very likely to be completely negated by the much higher requirements of a 36MP sensor. At the end of the day, the important point is that I feel that there are no meaningful differences in focusing between my D800 and my D7000.
In dim light, the D800 will struggle to find focus (just as the D7000 did), especially if the area of focus lack some contrast. I have seen tests of the D750 being much better at focusing in dim lighting. So, depending on what one likes to shoot, this may be more important.
Leonard Shepherd
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AF is not supposed to work well with low contrast subjects ;-)
That aside I could detect negligible relative AF slowness with my D800 (recently sold) compared to either my D810 or D7200.
From what you say your D800 might need a service.
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camerosity
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If you haven't ever tried or owned a D750, you aren't reading the OP's original question...
sts2
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I was replying to AlexBlct...
John M Roberts
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I've read a number of replies but not sure if I missed some pertinent thoughts. I didn't see much of what you expect to use the cameras for which I think is the key for any acquisition.
From you likes and dislikes it seams the D750 would be preferred. I have both for they each serve me differently. On most my tripod landscapes, cityscapes it's obviously my D800e. If I'm out scouting, mostly handheld shooting with VR available then the D750. It's the D750 for performance stage lighting situations and video. I so wished the D800e had the tilt screen. The D750 is more comfortable to hold. I prefer the buttons on the D800e though.
The spontaneity of the D750 allows me surprising shots that I might miss in setting up the D800e. If you are not concerned with very large prints or cropping I'd see little reason not to go for the D750. Great kit price with the 24~120 which was the incentive for my purchase of $2300 at the time which I thought was a deal. Now I see on both Adorama and BH it's the same price for both but body only is $1800. At Nikon refurbished is $1500 and if you wait for holiday weekends and such they will throw 10% off that price.
The D750 is more fun for me but for what I do, my D800e gets the most attention.
Oh, forgot to mention, it will be less expense and buy you time should you care to consider mirrorless options down the road.
John R
From you likes and dislikes it seams the D750 would be preferred. I have both for they each serve me differently. On most my tripod landscapes, cityscapes it's obviously my D800e. If I'm out scouting, mostly handheld shooting with VR available then the D750. It's the D750 for performance stage lighting situations and video. I so wished the D800e had the tilt screen. The D750 is more comfortable to hold. I prefer the buttons on the D800e though.
The spontaneity of the D750 allows me surprising shots that I might miss in setting up the D800e. If you are not concerned with very large prints or cropping I'd see little reason not to go for the D750. Great kit price with the 24~120 which was the incentive for my purchase of $2300 at the time which I thought was a deal. Now I see on both Adorama and BH it's the same price for both but body only is $1800. At Nikon refurbished is $1500 and if you wait for holiday weekends and such they will throw 10% off that price.
The D750 is more fun for me but for what I do, my D800e gets the most attention.
Oh, forgot to mention, it will be less expense and buy you time should you care to consider mirrorless options down the road.
John R
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I recently purchased a good used D750 for a good price. I ended up with the unit that is affected by Nikon recalls but the owner had sent it in to Nikon to replace the shutter and it's got 7900 shutter counts. If something happens to the shutter again, then Nikon will take care of it even if it's out of warranty. For $1125 I thought it's a good buy.
I haven't read through its manual,yet but it's thicker than that of the D800:506 pages vs 446 pages.
*The body size is a bit smaller and lighter than the D800 but the D800 definitely has a pro body feel.
*Dial buttons on the D750 is not as intuitive as the ones on the D800. I may be biased but I'm just used to use the layout/functions of the dial buttons on the D800. It's simply easier to use than the D750
*Shutter noise on the D750 is definitely quieter than on the D800 and I wish the D800 had a quieter shutter noise.
*Face detection AF is new to me.In live view, it recognizes a human face and it shows a double yellow border around it. How useful and important this feature is to me...I don't know,yet. But depending on lighting condition, it sometimes doesn't work.
*AF accuracy. In my brief test compared to the D800,its AF accuracy is better than the D800.It seems to focus on a subject more accurately than the D800. If its AF performs this good in a real world test, it's a good news to me.
*Low light AF. In the evening, I turned off the hallway light and it got very dark. There were some dresses hanging on the door but I could barely see them. My D800 struggled to find the focus on it but the D750 focused on it immediately and the shot I took was in focus. It sometime hunts to focus but its AF performance is clearly better than the D800 and this is the main reason why I got the D750.
* Image quality straight out of camera looks clean, crisp and sharp. I would say that it looks sharper than the D800. I'm comparing a 24 MB camera with a 36 MB camera so in a way, it's no wonder that image from the D750 looks sharper than that from the D800.
* Burst mode. Burst mode performance might vary depending on what kind of memory card you use. I used a Sandisk 16 GB, 80 MB/s,SDHC 1,10. I got 13 burst shots and then slowed down, I got one more shot and then stopped shooting. For my type of shooting, this is more than enough
* 1/4000 shutter speed limit. The only time I would possibly need a faster shutter speed than 1/4000 is when a subject is in a shade with a bright background and I shoot wide open but it's a rare case and if I really need faster than 1/4000, then the D800 will take care of it.
* Grip. The grip on the D750 is radically contoured than that on the D800. The grip is deep and it makes you grip tighter than you would on the D800. The grip on the D800 feels more natural to me. I like the grip on the D800 better.
So my initial impressions on the D750 is a bit of mixed bags but on the most important aspects, it has given me a positive impression.
I haven't read through its manual,yet but it's thicker than that of the D800:506 pages vs 446 pages.
*The body size is a bit smaller and lighter than the D800 but the D800 definitely has a pro body feel.
*Dial buttons on the D750 is not as intuitive as the ones on the D800. I may be biased but I'm just used to use the layout/functions of the dial buttons on the D800. It's simply easier to use than the D750
*Shutter noise on the D750 is definitely quieter than on the D800 and I wish the D800 had a quieter shutter noise.
*Face detection AF is new to me.In live view, it recognizes a human face and it shows a double yellow border around it. How useful and important this feature is to me...I don't know,yet. But depending on lighting condition, it sometimes doesn't work.
*AF accuracy. In my brief test compared to the D800,its AF accuracy is better than the D800.It seems to focus on a subject more accurately than the D800. If its AF performs this good in a real world test, it's a good news to me.
*Low light AF. In the evening, I turned off the hallway light and it got very dark. There were some dresses hanging on the door but I could barely see them. My D800 struggled to find the focus on it but the D750 focused on it immediately and the shot I took was in focus. It sometime hunts to focus but its AF performance is clearly better than the D800 and this is the main reason why I got the D750.
* Image quality straight out of camera looks clean, crisp and sharp. I would say that it looks sharper than the D800. I'm comparing a 24 MB camera with a 36 MB camera so in a way, it's no wonder that image from the D750 looks sharper than that from the D800.
* Burst mode. Burst mode performance might vary depending on what kind of memory card you use. I used a Sandisk 16 GB, 80 MB/s,SDHC 1,10. I got 13 burst shots and then slowed down, I got one more shot and then stopped shooting. For my type of shooting, this is more than enough
* 1/4000 shutter speed limit. The only time I would possibly need a faster shutter speed than 1/4000 is when a subject is in a shade with a bright background and I shoot wide open but it's a rare case and if I really need faster than 1/4000, then the D800 will take care of it.
* Grip. The grip on the D750 is radically contoured than that on the D800. The grip is deep and it makes you grip tighter than you would on the D800. The grip on the D800 feels more natural to me. I like the grip on the D800 better.
So my initial impressions on the D750 is a bit of mixed bags but on the most important aspects, it has given me a positive impression.
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