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I've been shooting mirrorless cameras as a hobbyist since 2010 with the Panasonic GF1. Before that it was a relatively big & clunky Pentax DSLR, and before that an old film Pentax K1000.

The small, fast, simple micro four thirds cameras, paired with great glass (the 20mm f/1.7 pancake, for instance) won me over. I sold my DSLR and never looked twice at Nikon or Canon.

Fast forward, to last year. I feel a growing nostalgia for aperture rings, shutter speed dials, no autofocus. Simplicity. I read about what Fujifilm is doing, and decide to jump all in with the X-T2.

I've used it for about nine months. With any luck on Monday it'll be sold. It is in many ways a great camera, but it's not for me. Here's why:

The X-T2 is a very competent camera. It does precisely what you ask it to do, quickly, quietly, with no complaints. With the right lens — any of the newer "Fujicron" f/2s — autofocus is near instantaneous.

The EVF is excellent. It more or less shows me the photograph before I take it. The exposure, the depth of field, everything is there in a way it never was with my (older) MFT gear. All at a very natural refresh rate and high resolution.

The body itself, the reason I first became intrigued with the camera, is ultimately a disappointment. It somehow feels less sturdy than my GH3. I prefer the more rubbery grip of the Panasonic over the Fujifilm faux leather. The dials, though easy to turn, feel oversized and a little cheap. Everything is jammed together just a little too close. I have small hands, and still it never quite feels natural to adjust settings when I'm out photographing. I don't like the multi-layered ISO and shutter speed dials: I sometimes switch the drive mode accidentally, which causes the camera to do strange things in strange modes I never use. The flip-out LCD feels just a tad loose when you pick up the camera. I much prefer the GH3-style articulating screen, which can be shut entirely into the camera (i.e., screen-side in) and as a result doesn't need a protective cover and, when it's flipped closed, feels much more secure.

Speaking of sturdiness: I dropped the X-T2 some fifteen feet onto bare rocks (!). I thought it was a goner, but not so: the damage was limited to one corner of the base plate, which now has a small crack, and the hinges of the SD-card door, which now is more difficult to open but otherwise works fine.

It clearly is a sturdy and well-built camera in the ways that count. But when I pick it up, I just don't feel it.

The battery life isn't good. A consequence of this is I feel like I have to watch the power consumption as I use the camera if I'm shooting for an extended period or while traveling. I never felt this way with the GH3. Again, it takes away from the simplicity of just using the camera without needing to worry about that.

As for lenses. My preferred focal length — what I shoot 90% of the time — is either 28 or 35mm, FF equivalent. The 23 f/2 is good, but in the end, I realized it is not substantially better than what I had with my MFT, save for its weather sealing. I have not tried the 18 f/2, but I was never unhappy with my Panasonic 14 f/2.5. The Fujifilm just isn't really an upgrade from my Panasonics. (A real upgrade, one that I can clearly see and feel, is a Leica 35 Summicron, shot on a full frame M camera.)

Finally, Lightroom and Fujifilm don't seem to mix very well. Raw files seem to take an order of magnitude longer to import and produce 1:1 previews and smart previews. Importing felt like a considerable chore, when it never used to. I have heard other programs work better with Fujifilm, but at this point I'd rather get rid of the X-T2 than Lightroom.

I realized about a month ago that I just wasn't excited to use this camera anymore. I had stopped picking it up and taking it with me, wherever I was going. It's a somewhat expensive experiment to buy all this stuff new, bang it up, and sell it nine months later, but even more expensive is the camera you have and don't use.
 
Posting a rather lukewarm to moderately critical thread about the flagship body/lens in its own forum is definitely going to raise the ire of many people and could be interpreted as flaming..

I am going to lock this thread for about 8 hours to allow any of you to gather your unemotional thoughts before getting into any heated discussion. Both Jerry and I don't want to spend too much mod time on this so tomorrow we implore you to be dispassionate when it is unlocked.

Bob
 
Let's see if we can have a respectful discussion because some may disagree but there are always good points to discuss.

Bob
 
Given some recent threads, I understand your action.

This review seems fair. OP is not excited about the X-T2, for a number of well explained reasons, and that's fine. Others may be excited about their own X-T2, and that is fine too :)

Re. the dials, I have to admit I experience the same issue on my X-T1, especially with the ISO dial. Often, after changing the ISO, I'm in some weird mode too inadvertently :-D
 
Let's see if we can have a respectful discussion because some may disagree but there are always good points to discuss.

Bob
I must admit I only read this because it was a locked thread but the review seems considered and reasonable.
 
I’m curious about which camera model the OP has purchased to replace his T2, and how he’s getting on with it, “post-Fuji” experience.

Rand
 
As for lenses. My preferred focal length — what I shoot 90% of the time — is either 28 or 35mm, FF equivalent. The 23 f/2 is good, but in the end, I realized it is not substantially better than what I had with my MFT, save for its weather sealing. I have not tried the 18 f/2, but I was never unhappy with my Panasonic 14 f/2.5.
That bit don't make sense my friend. :-)
 
Curious as to what camera you are actually talking about? Multi-layered ISO and shutter speed dials? The X100f has that. Are you saying you are somehow hitting the mode and metering switches below the dials? Are yours loose? You have to deliberately push mine to get them to move. You could never accidently move them. They're too tight otherwise. Do they loosen up over time?
 
As for lenses. My preferred focal length — what I shoot 90% of the time — is either 28 or 35mm, FF equivalent. The 23 f/2 is good, but in the end, I realized it is not substantially better than what I had with my MFT, save for its weather sealing. I have not tried the 18 f/2, but I was never unhappy with my Panasonic 14 f/2.5.
That bit don't make sense my friend. :-)
Sorry... that was indeed confusing. I was comparing 35mm and 28mm full frame equivalent lenses. That would be the XF 23 and Panasonic 20 (which is actually closer to 40), and the XF 18 and the Panasonic 14.
 
I’m curious about which camera model the OP has purchased to replace his T2, and how he’s getting on with it, “post-Fuji” experience.

Rand
I think the OP may be using a Leica M 240 - see this post:

 
Curious as to what camera you are actually talking about? Multi-layered ISO and shutter speed dials? The X100f has that. Are you saying you are somehow hitting the mode and metering switches below the dials? Are yours loose? You have to deliberately push mine to get them to move. You could never accidently move them. They're too tight otherwise. Do they loosen up over time?
I am talking about the X-T2. Maybe "multi-layered" isn't a good way of describing it, I'm not sure. On the ISO and the shutter speed dials, there is basically a tiny dial sandwiched between the body and the larger dial.

I just don't like this interface. It's not that it's loose. In fact, it's kind of difficult to set when I need to do it. But it also can get switched accidentally when I'm fumbling with the controls while I am looking through the EVF.
 
As for lenses. My preferred focal length — what I shoot 90% of the time — is either 28 or 35mm, FF equivalent. The 23 f/2 is good, but in the end, I realized it is not substantially better than what I had with my MFT, save for its weather sealing. I have not tried the 18 f/2, but I was never unhappy with my Panasonic 14 f/2.5.
That bit don't make sense my friend. :-)
I've had the Pany 14 f2.5 and it was darned good considering it's cost. BUT, there is no way in you know where that it comes close to the Fuji 23 f2. Not even close IMHO.

Now, maybe the Pany rendering is what the O.P. prefers, so be it. :-)
 
Curious as to what camera you are actually talking about? Multi-layered ISO and shutter speed dials? The X100f has that. Are you saying you are somehow hitting the mode and metering switches below the dials? Are yours loose? You have to deliberately push mine to get them to move. You could never accidently move them. They're too tight otherwise. Do they loosen up over time?
I am talking about the X-T2. Maybe "multi-layered" isn't a good way of describing it, I'm not sure. On the ISO and the shutter speed dials, there is basically a tiny dial sandwiched between the body and the larger dial.

I just don't like this interface. It's not that it's loose. In fact, it's kind of difficult to set when I need to do it. But it also can get switched accidentally when I'm fumbling with the controls while I am looking through the EVF.
I don't care for that ISO/Shutter dial arrangement either. Hope a Fuji engineer didn't get a raise for that design! :-P
 
As for lenses. My preferred focal length — what I shoot 90% of the time — is either 28 or 35mm, FF equivalent. The 23 f/2 is good, but in the end, I realized it is not substantially better than what I had with my MFT, save for its weather sealing. I have not tried the 18 f/2, but I was never unhappy with my Panasonic 14 f/2.5.
That bit don't make sense my friend. :-)
I've had the Pany 14 f2.5 and it was darned good considering it's cost. BUT, there is no way in you know where that it comes close to the Fuji 23 f2. Not even close IMHO.

Now, maybe the Pany rendering is what the O.P. prefers, so be it. :-)
Sorry... I meant to compare the XF 23 with my Panasonic 20. The comparison of the XF 18 with the Panasonic 14 was entirely hypothetical :)
 
Thanks for sharing your honest POV. I spent over $5k switching from several Sony E mounts and lenses to my XT2 w/ assorted Fuji lenses about 8 months ago. While I plan on staying, I have to admit the Fuji system Did not blow me away. While some of the pictures that came out of the camera were jaw droppingly stunning, some of the skin tones for jpgs can be a bit pasty at times and the auto white balance can give spectacularly inconsistent results here and there. I also worry about the few times the camera won’t turn on without having to screw around with it a bit.

Still, I doubt I can find anything else out there that can provide all that I want. I really like the XT2 controls with virtually everything at your fingertips. The customization available is incredible. The lenses are all excellent and they have a great selection for very reasonable prices. Fuji constantly updates their firmware and adds new features. They listen to their customers. With Sony, I hated how I always felt like they treated their products as if they had a 1 year shelf life. Virtually never any updates and I still can’t believe how they can sell a $1400 flagship APSC body with minimal external controls. Worst yet, Sony has pretty much stopped adding to their APSC lens line up for years despite continuing to sell newer APSC bodies.

Ultimately, I’m glad I switched, but like you OP, I wasn’t blown away in the Fuji world. I am curious what you decided to move to? Sounds like you’re leaning towards Panasonic again? The GF1 also started my path down the mirrorless world. Just never quite liked the look of Panasonic colors. If I did switch, I’d probably try Olympus. Perhaps an EM1 mk 2?
 
Curious as to what camera you are actually talking about? Multi-layered ISO and shutter speed dials? The X100f has that. Are you saying you are somehow hitting the mode and metering switches below the dials? Are yours loose? You have to deliberately push mine to get them to move. You could never accidently move them. They're too tight otherwise. Do they loosen up over time?
I am talking about the X-T2. Maybe "multi-layered" isn't a good way of describing it, I'm not sure. On the ISO and the shutter speed dials, there is basically a tiny dial sandwiched between the body and the larger dial.

I just don't like this interface. It's not that it's loose. In fact, it's kind of difficult to set when I need to do it. But it also can get switched accidentally when I'm fumbling with the controls while I am looking through the EVF.
Okay. That makes sense. They could improve those switches. The dials themselves I really like. As long as I remember to lock them. Bought the XT-20 first and really disliked the ergonomics on it. The XT-2 is much better. I wish Fuji would quit moving things around and settle on a format. The things I don't care for aren't enough to make me want another system. Their just minor to me. I get annoyed that connection is in one submenu but wireless connection is in another. Their menu layout could use a lot of work. I avoid it as much as possible. Just shooting for me though is a joy with this camera.
 
Thanks for sharing your honest POV. I spent over $5k switching from several Sony E mounts and lenses to my XT2 w/ assorted Fuji lenses about 8 months ago. While I plan on staying, I have to admit the Fuji system Did not blow me away. While some of the pictures that came out of the camera were jaw droppingly stunning, some of the skin tones for jpgs can be a bit pasty at times and the auto white balance can give spectacularly inconsistent results here and there. I also worry about the few times the camera won’t turn on without having to screw around with it a bit.

Still, I doubt I can find anything else out there that can provide all that I want. I really like the XT2 controls with virtually everything at your fingertips. The customization available is incredible. The lenses are all excellent and they have a great selection for very reasonable prices. Fuji constantly updates their firmware and adds new features. They listen to their customers. With Sony, I hated how I always felt like they treated their products as if they had a 1 year shelf life. Virtually never any updates and I still can’t believe how they can sell a $1400 flagship APSC body with minimal external controls. Worst yet, Sony has pretty much stopped adding to their APSC lens line up for years despite continuing to sell newer APSC bodies.

Ultimately, I’m glad I switched, but like you OP, I wasn’t blown away in the Fuji world. I am curious what you decided to move to? Sounds like you’re leaning towards Panasonic again? The GF1 also started my path down the mirrorless world. Just never quite liked the look of Panasonic colors. If I did switch, I’d probably try Olympus. Perhaps an EM1 mk 2?
The Fuji colors to me are fine, but always required a little tweaking. I played around with the film profiles, and ended up sticking with Provia/STD. If anything, I slightly prefer my Panasonic files, but that's likely a) over the 8 years with my GF1, I'm just used to it, and b) I haven't played enough with default Lightroom settings for the XT-2. But if I sit down for two minutes with a photo, I get it how I like it, no problem.

The lenses for Fujifilm are great. I am drawn to the more solid feeling, weather sealed and compact F/2s. I hate to give those up. The IQ of these lenses never really blew me away, but everything else about them is very good.

They just aren't better enough for me to stick with the camera. My problem is mostly with how the body handles, how the controls are laid out. It is ironic because I specifically bought this camera for the controls. What I wanted was a great camera that let me just focus on shutter speed, aperture, and focus. In retrospect, putting manual dials onto a small, cluttered, fully automatic camera can actually make it more complicated to operate than my GF1 or GH3. I don't know: it never quite worked for me.

I am sticking with Panasonic, for when I need wide or long focal lengths and autofocus, or for when I need a tiny camera I can stick in my coat pocket (the GF1 is still great, eight years later!) For everything else, I've picked up a Leica M240 and 35mm Summicron.
 
I'm in the Sony camp right now and I had the exact opposite experience. The X-T2 was one of the best mirrorless I've handled and the build was very convincing, too. One of Olympus' top models fit my hand slightly better, though (mostly the front dial was easier to operate one-handed). All of the Sonys feel quite a bit worse and APS-C Sonys are simply not in the same league even. I'm more worried about whether the technical side can match the Sonys (X-trans IQ, DR, AF, video...) and whether I'd miss some lenses I simply can't have on the Fuji, so haven't switched yet.

Compared to PASM, I find the logic of the Fuji interface splendid. Having basically everything as dials the settings of which you can see without training your eye to recognize some obscure symbol in the corner of the LCD/EVF is also great.

The score you give makes me wonder. Your only negatives are handling and not being excited about it. Of course, the scoring is individual, but still 2.5 seems low.
 
The score you give makes me wonder. Your only negatives are handling and not being excited about it. Of course, the scoring is individual, but still 2.5 seems low.
You are right to wonder, the moment I posted it I thought I had been a little too harsh. I don't know how to edit the score, or if I can, but a 3.5 is probably more fair. I wouldn't tell anyone not to buy the camera on my account.

I think my feeling about the "sturdiness" is entirely subjective. I know at some level it's a sturdy camera — I dropped it two stories onto rocks, and it didn't skip a beat! If you like the controls, if it fits your hand, it's a great deal -- and I'm jealous!

In many, many ways it is an excellent camera. I didn't even mention how great the LCD screen looks, or how great the ISO performance is, or the wonderful quality of the video. I miss a lot of this using the Leica.

Still, for me, for a hobbyist who likes to take a good camera and good lens or two traveling, handling is very important. All of the good things I mentioned are clouded by the fact that it doesn't feel good in the hand and its controls aren't well placed for me.

I get the feeling I'd like the Sony even less, though.
 

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