When good is good enough: a hobbyist perspective

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And to start I have to give some perspective to this:

Firstly I am a hobbyist and strictly an amateur photographer. A quite enthusiastic amateur but at the end of it still an amateur. This means that when I take photographs I do it as a hobby and really only for my own enjoyment. This gives quite a different perspective than some others would have.

Secondly: my principal area of interest is birds and particularly BIF.

The subject of this thread came to me after I was fortunate enough to be given a 12 minute long display of flying by a pair of Bald Eagles yesterday: see thread HERE They were enjoying a "standing wave" of air from an onshore wind and were really just surfing around at relatively low level and close to the walkway on the dyke next to our townhouse complex. This allowed me a lot of time to take numerous photographs (I will admit to around 550 shots!).

Now for an amateur with mid level equipment such as mine, BIF tend to be quite a challenge. But I enjoy it for many reasons: flying birds to me just seem right (and yes: I know they spend more time NOT flying than flying, but flying sort of is their big claim to fame!). Secondly I enjoy the challenge. Yes, I get many, many mediocre to bad (make that "pathetic"!) shots. But every now and then you get some that are immensely satisfying. And it is this definition of "immensely satisfying" that really is the subject of this thread.

I am an engineer, not an artist. Which many of my family and friends would say explains a lot! :-D So my understanding (and appreciation?) of art tends to be.... well, let's just say "somewhat stunted" and leave it there. This is probably why I enjoy a more technical topic such as BIF.

Major fact: In doing what I do, I enjoy "pretty". And we all know how subjective THAT is! Almost as subjective as art!

So I do not have fantastic high end equipment. By that standard I have relatively inexpensive equipment (although there are millions and millions of people all over the world who would vehemently disagree with that judgement). I do not spend days and days on getting the perfect shot. But I enjoy getting outside and trying to get a better (prettier?) shot.

But. And this is a big BUT!

I am NOT striving for perfection. We all know the saying that "perfect is the enemy of good". When I get a "good" photograph (by my standards: also read "pretty" for good), I am totally, totally happy and satisfied. For example: just one of the photographs I got yesterday:

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I know this can be torn apart technically AND aesthetically/artistically. Unfortunately Bald Eagles tend to be a quite a bit of VERY white and even more VERY black. Especially when the white head is in the sun and the dark bottom of the wing is in shade. So yes, I know the DR is too limited and I could have done better with a FF camera and taking RAW images and processing better. And I know it is just a couple of birds in the sky with no background or perspective and it tells no story whatsoever. And, and, and....

But hey, guess what? I think it is pretty. Simplistic as that may be, I like it! And I am satisfied and happy.

And isn't that the point of a hobby?

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Cheers
Alwyn
 
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Since I stopped being paid to do it I set my own standards in photography. In fact I have at least two 'standards'. That's why I carry a shirt pocketable camera for most family activity and something bigger and more capable for 'photo ops'.

Whether my standards match up to the expectations of some of the fanatics here on DPR doesn't concern me. My keeper rate doesn't concern me. I take pictures to suit myself.

Even when I was a full time pro I established my standards in terms of how much time and effort a particular job justified. The tiny number of photographic artists who can spend a week or more agonising over a single image and still turn a profit may turn out something near perfection in their chosen genres, but most of us just have to be sufficiently better than a punter's expectations to earn a comfortable living.
 
And to start I have to give some perspective to this:

Firstly I am a hobbyist and strictly an amateur photographer. A quite enthusiastic amateur but at the end of it still an amateur. This means that when I take photographs I do it as a hobby and really only for my own enjoyment. This gives quite a different perspective than some others would have.

Secondly: my principal area of interest is birds and particularly BIF.

The subject of this thread came to me after I was fortunate enough to be given a 12 minute long display of flying by a pair of Bald Eagles yesterday: see thread HERE They were enjoying a "standing wave" of air from an onshore wind and were really just surfing around at relatively low level and close to the walkway on the dyke next to our townhouse complex. This allowed me a lot of time to take numerous photographs (I will admit to around 550 shots!).

Now for an amateur with mid level equipment such as mine, BIF tend to be quite a challenge. But I enjoy it for many reasons: flying birds to me just seem right (and yes: I know they spend more time NOT flying than flying, but flying sort of is their big claim to fame!). Secondly I enjoy the challenge. Yes, I get many, many mediocre to bad (make that "pathetic"!) shots. But every now and then you get some that are immensely satisfying. And it is this definition of "immensely satisfying" that really is the subject of this thread.

I am an engineer, not an artist. Which many of my family and friends would say explains a lot! :-D So my understanding (and appreciation?) of art tends to be.... well, let's just say "somewhat stunted" and leave it there. This is probably why I enjoy a more technical topic such as BIF.

Major fact: In doing what I do, I enjoy "pretty". And we all know how subjective THAT is! Almost as subjective as art!

So I do not have fantastic high end equipment. By that standard I have relatively inexpensive equipment (although there are millions and millions of people all over the world who would vehemently disagree with that judgement). I do not spend days and days on getting the perfect shot. But I enjoy getting outside and trying to get a better (prettier?) shot.

But. And this is a big BUT!

I am NOT striving for perfection. We all know the saying that "perfect is the enemy of good". When I get a "good" photograph (by my standards: also read "pretty" for good), I am totally, totally happy and satisfied. For example: just one of the photographs I got yesterday:

cdcb5f454bba48a09bab21413ce64c4f.jpg

I know this can be torn apart technically AND aesthetically/artistically. Unfortunately Bald Eagles tend to be a quite a bit of VERY white and even more VERY black. Especially when the white head is in the sun and the dark bottom of the wing is in shade. So yes, I know the DR is too limited and I could have done better with a FF camera and taking RAW images and processing better. And I know it is just a couple of birds in the sky with no background or perspective and it tells no story whatsoever. And, and, and....

But hey, guess what? I think it is pretty. Simplistic as that may be, I like it! And I am satisfied and happy.

And isn't that the point of a hobby?
Pretty much.

Different people have different aesthetics and expectations. Also, people will use hobbies as a means to set goals; whatever those goals may be. For me, a large part of what makes me happy as a hobbyist/amateur/enthusiast is to try to always progress; to always get better.

For example, if I took the shots you're showing I would be pretty happy, but my OCD would haunt me regarding the haloing I see. But early on, when I started this hobby, I probably wouldn't have noticed.

But at the end of the day, if you're happy with your hobby venture, then that's all that really matters.

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I feel more like I do now than I did before ...
 
And to start I have to give some perspective to this:

Firstly I am a hobbyist and strictly an amateur photographer. A quite enthusiastic amateur but at the end of it still an amateur. This means that when I take photographs I do it as a hobby and really only for my own enjoyment. This gives quite a different perspective than some others would have.

Secondly: my principal area of interest is birds and particularly BIF.

The subject of this thread came to me after I was fortunate enough to be given a 12 minute long display of flying by a pair of Bald Eagles yesterday: see thread HERE They were enjoying a "standing wave" of air from an onshore wind and were really just surfing around at relatively low level and close to the walkway on the dyke next to our townhouse complex. This allowed me a lot of time to take numerous photographs (I will admit to around 550 shots!).

Now for an amateur with mid level equipment such as mine, BIF tend to be quite a challenge. But I enjoy it for many reasons: flying birds to me just seem right (and yes: I know they spend more time NOT flying than flying, but flying sort of is their big claim to fame!). Secondly I enjoy the challenge. Yes, I get many, many mediocre to bad (make that "pathetic"!) shots. But every now and then you get some that are immensely satisfying. And it is this definition of "immensely satisfying" that really is the subject of this thread.

I am an engineer, not an artist. Which many of my family and friends would say explains a lot! :-D So my understanding (and appreciation?) of art tends to be.... well, let's just say "somewhat stunted" and leave it there. This is probably why I enjoy a more technical topic such as BIF.

Major fact: In doing what I do, I enjoy "pretty". And we all know how subjective THAT is! Almost as subjective as art!

So I do not have fantastic high end equipment. By that standard I have relatively inexpensive equipment (although there are millions and millions of people all over the world who would vehemently disagree with that judgement). I do not spend days and days on getting the perfect shot. But I enjoy getting outside and trying to get a better (prettier?) shot.

But. And this is a big BUT!

I am NOT striving for perfection. We all know the saying that "perfect is the enemy of good". When I get a "good" photograph (by my standards: also read "pretty" for good), I am totally, totally happy and satisfied. For example: just one of the photographs I got yesterday:

cdcb5f454bba48a09bab21413ce64c4f.jpg

I know this can be torn apart technically AND aesthetically/artistically. Unfortunately Bald Eagles tend to be a quite a bit of VERY white and even more VERY black. Especially when the white head is in the sun and the dark bottom of the wing is in shade. So yes, I know the DR is too limited and I could have done better with a FF camera and taking RAW images and processing better. And I know it is just a couple of birds in the sky with no background or perspective and it tells no story whatsoever. And, and, and....

But hey, guess what? I think it is pretty. Simplistic as that may be, I like it! And I am satisfied and happy.

And isn't that the point of a hobby?

--
Cheers
Alwyn
Isn't good engineering a synthesis of form and function? So is Art. As an artist birds fascinate me .... and maybe because of their sublime engineering - the peak of form and function. In your shot above I would opt for a bit less negative space ( function) as -

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......... just an opinion,

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I like to find the engineering in a sorta prehistoric sci-fi anatomy ........ and as you say, - that's the point ......... enjoy!

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Joris1632
 
And to start I have to give some perspective to this:

Firstly I am a hobbyist and strictly an amateur photographer. A quite enthusiastic amateur but at the end of it still an amateur. This means that when I take photographs I do it as a hobby and really only for my own enjoyment. This gives quite a different perspective than some others would have.

Secondly: my principal area of interest is birds and particularly BIF.

The subject of this thread came to me after I was fortunate enough to be given a 12 minute long display of flying by a pair of Bald Eagles yesterday: see thread HERE They were enjoying a "standing wave" of air from an onshore wind and were really just surfing around at relatively low level and close to the walkway on the dyke next to our townhouse complex. This allowed me a lot of time to take numerous photographs (I will admit to around 550 shots!).

Now for an amateur with mid level equipment such as mine, BIF tend to be quite a challenge. But I enjoy it for many reasons: flying birds to me just seem right (and yes: I know they spend more time NOT flying than flying, but flying sort of is their big claim to fame!). Secondly I enjoy the challenge. Yes, I get many, many mediocre to bad (make that "pathetic"!) shots. But every now and then you get some that are immensely satisfying. And it is this definition of "immensely satisfying" that really is the subject of this thread.

I am an engineer, not an artist. Which many of my family and friends would say explains a lot! :-D So my understanding (and appreciation?) of art tends to be.... well, let's just say "somewhat stunted" and leave it there. This is probably why I enjoy a more technical topic such as BIF.

Major fact: In doing what I do, I enjoy "pretty". And we all know how subjective THAT is! Almost as subjective as art!

So I do not have fantastic high end equipment. By that standard I have relatively inexpensive equipment (although there are millions and millions of people all over the world who would vehemently disagree with that judgement). I do not spend days and days on getting the perfect shot. But I enjoy getting outside and trying to get a better (prettier?) shot.

But. And this is a big BUT!

I am NOT striving for perfection. We all know the saying that "perfect is the enemy of good". When I get a "good" photograph (by my standards: also read "pretty" for good), I am totally, totally happy and satisfied. For example: just one of the photographs I got yesterday:

cdcb5f454bba48a09bab21413ce64c4f.jpg

I know this can be torn apart technically AND aesthetically/artistically. Unfortunately Bald Eagles tend to be a quite a bit of VERY white and even more VERY black. Especially when the white head is in the sun and the dark bottom of the wing is in shade. So yes, I know the DR is too limited and I could have done better with a FF camera and taking RAW images and processing better. And I know it is just a couple of birds in the sky with no background or perspective and it tells no story whatsoever. And, and, and....

But hey, guess what? I think it is pretty. Simplistic as that may be, I like it! And I am satisfied and happy.

And isn't that the point of a hobby?
You are happy with the photos you take and enjoy taking them. Unless you are a working pro, no more justification than that is needed.
 
You are happy with the photos you take and enjoy taking them. Unless you are a working pro, no more justification than that is needed.
Thanks Bustard.... hhmm, that sounds a tad rude putting it that way...

You are focused on exactly my objective. I LIKE happy!
 
You are happy with the photos you take and enjoy taking them. Unless you are a working pro, no more justification than that is needed.
Thanks Bustard.... hhmm, that sounds a tad rude putting it that way...
Hmm. I don't see how that could be considered rude. I mean, if you're happy, then you're happy, right?
You are focused on exactly my objective. I LIKE happy!
Sounds like you're happy, though, so you're all set!
 
You are happy with the photos you take and enjoy taking them. Unless you are a working pro, no more justification than that is needed.
Thanks Bustard.... hhmm, that sounds a tad rude putting it that way...
Hmm. I don't see how that could be considered rude. I mean, if you're happy, then you're happy, right?
Oops: my apologies as that did not come out the way I meant it to. I did not mean to say that you were rude, I meant that me calling you a bustard could sound a trifle odd. I was trying to be facetious as phonetically the word could be misconstrued....

While I am not familiar with the Great Bustard, I think I am one of the few people on this forum that at least knows the Corey Bustard. Come to think of it, I actually have some photographs of a Corey Bustard:

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Taken in the Ngorongoro Crater, 2012
You are focused on exactly my objective. I LIKE happy!
Sounds like you're happy, though, so you're all set!
--
Cheers
Alwyn
 
You are happy with the photos you take and enjoy taking them. Unless you are a working pro, no more justification than that is needed.
Thanks Bustard.... hhmm, that sounds a tad rude putting it that way...
Hmm. I don't see how that could be considered rude. I mean, if you're happy, then you're happy, right?
Oops: my apologies as that did not come out the way I meant it to. I did not mean to say that you were rude, I meant that me calling you a bustard could sound a trifle odd. I was trying to be facetious as phonetically the word could be misconstrued....
Ah. Well, you see, "Bustard" was something of a typo with my ID. ;-)
While I am not familiar with the Great Bustard, I think I am one of the few people on this forum that at least knows the Corey Bustard. Come to think of it, I actually have some photographs of a Corey Bustard:

820334c561cc4701ab241f2e8382023f.jpg

Taken in the Ngorongoro Crater, 2012
Look at that Bustard -- prancing around with its nose in the air like it thinks it's better than everyone else. I mean, please. :-D
 
And to start I have to give some perspective to this:

Firstly I am a hobbyist and strictly an amateur photographer. A quite enthusiastic amateur but at the end of it still an amateur. This means that when I take photographs I do it as a hobby and really only for my own enjoyment. This gives quite a different perspective than some others would have.

Secondly: my principal area of interest is birds and particularly BIF.

The subject of this thread came to me after I was fortunate enough to be given a 12 minute long display of flying by a pair of Bald Eagles yesterday: see thread HERE They were enjoying a "standing wave" of air from an onshore wind and were really just surfing around at relatively low level and close to the walkway on the dyke next to our townhouse complex. This allowed me a lot of time to take numerous photographs (I will admit to around 550 shots!).

Now for an amateur with mid level equipment such as mine, BIF tend to be quite a challenge. But I enjoy it for many reasons: flying birds to me just seem right (and yes: I know they spend more time NOT flying than flying, but flying sort of is their big claim to fame!). Secondly I enjoy the challenge. Yes, I get many, many mediocre to bad (make that "pathetic"!) shots. But every now and then you get some that are immensely satisfying. And it is this definition of "immensely satisfying" that really is the subject of this thread.

I am an engineer, not an artist. Which many of my family and friends would say explains a lot! :-D So my understanding (and appreciation?) of art tends to be.... well, let's just say "somewhat stunted" and leave it there. This is probably why I enjoy a more technical topic such as BIF.

Major fact: In doing what I do, I enjoy "pretty". And we all know how subjective THAT is! Almost as subjective as art!

So I do not have fantastic high end equipment. By that standard I have relatively inexpensive equipment (although there are millions and millions of people all over the world who would vehemently disagree with that judgement). I do not spend days and days on getting the perfect shot. But I enjoy getting outside and trying to get a better (prettier?) shot.

But. And this is a big BUT!

I am NOT striving for perfection. We all know the saying that "perfect is the enemy of good". When I get a "good" photograph (by my standards: also read "pretty" for good), I am totally, totally happy and satisfied. For example: just one of the photographs I got yesterday:

cdcb5f454bba48a09bab21413ce64c4f.jpg

I know this can be torn apart technically AND aesthetically/artistically. Unfortunately Bald Eagles tend to be a quite a bit of VERY white and even more VERY black. Especially when the white head is in the sun and the dark bottom of the wing is in shade. So yes, I know the DR is too limited and I could have done better with a FF camera and taking RAW images and processing better. And I know it is just a couple of birds in the sky with no background or perspective and it tells no story whatsoever. And, and, and....

But hey, guess what? I think it is pretty. Simplistic as that may be, I like it! And I am satisfied and happy.

And isn't that the point of a hobby?
You are happy with the photos you take and enjoy taking them. Unless you are a working pro, no more justification than that is needed.
Very well said :-)

Some years ago when I was ready to click the shutter on my camera I asked myself, will other photographer agree with the setting , the angle, the motive etc ? I did this for quite a while, till one day I sort woke up, and said to myself " so what if anybody are not happy the way I shot my images, they are for me, it is my hobby, and the shooting of the images should make me happy " .....so I stopped with this asking myself, and from then on I am happy the way I shot my images :-).......

Griddi.......
 
If it wasn't there would be no motivation to improve. Eventually you get bored and move on and that can be the stuff of regret.
 
If it wasn't there would be no motivation to improve. Eventually you get bored and move on and that can be the stuff of regret.
Very true and valid. In thinking about this I have to agree that I still do try to improve. I think the big distinction for me is that the drive to improve (or winning :-D ) should not become so all-consuming that I do not enjoy the "small wins" and pleasures along the road. Sort of like stopping to smell the roses I suppose.

Thanks for the insight.
 
We amateurs have an enormous advantage over working professionals.

We don't have to photograph things that don't interest us and don't have to care if anybody else likes it or not. :)
Indeed! Life is less stressful (and more enjoyable!) that way I suppose...
 
Look at that Bustard -- prancing around with its nose in the air like it thinks it's better than everyone else. I mean, please. :-D
Arrogant bustard!

Cheers
Alwyn
 
If it wasn't there would be no motivation to improve. Eventually you get bored and move on and that can be the stuff of regret.
Very true and valid. In thinking about this I have to agree that I still do try to improve. I think the big distinction for me is that the drive to improve (or winning :-D ) should not become so all-consuming that I do not enjoy the "small wins" and pleasures along the road. Sort of like stopping to smell the roses I suppose.

Thanks for the insight.
 
We amateurs have an enormous advantage over working professionals.

We don't have to photograph things that don't interest us and don't have to care if anybody else likes it or not. :)

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But to be honest, it's probably the unicorns.
Exactly! :)
 
I agree with the sentiments. But for me it would be nice to have the choice: hobbyist and pro. Then I could have another string to my earning power if need be.

I used to think I could make a living taking photos - until www came along and highlighted the gulf between my efforts and the pros.
 
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I like affable threads like these. If you allow me I'd still like to comment on your shot. I tend (and strive) to see photos in an abstract way, as shapes, tones, rhythms etc. Not that I'm any good at it but I find your BIF shot interesting in that respect. Two distinct, both very "birdy" shapes touching at the tips. I could imagine myself (if I did BIF) converting to b&w and perhaps eliminating the sky altogether and maybe turn the birds into pure black silhouettes and maybe combine with other similar shots similarly treated into one great dancing conglomerate. Of course that might not at all be your idea of fun but at least it shows that your shot triggered something in somebody. Someone said something about the awesome "engineering" in birds. Yes, that and the graceful interaction with air and gravity which results in an endless variety of elegant shapes and rhythms.
 

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