Does this drive you as nuts as me?

Gato Amarillo · Jan 8, 2018

I'm an old guy -- almost 50 years in photography -- but I've been using mirrorless cameras for several years now and the more I use them the more I find myself using live view and the LCD.

I like being able to see the full screen, I like being able to move the camera around and get more angles, I like being able to shoot high or low without having to bring a step stool or do contortions. I like being able to switch between EVF and LCD on the fly.

I started out with twin-lens reflex cameras and did a lot of work with view cameras. I like being able to move back and get some distance from the screen, or to work at waist level. Or overhead.

Times change. We have new tools an options. Why not use them?

Gato

tbcass · Jan 8, 2018

I guess they should be taught that holding the camera to your eye goes a long way toward preventing camera shake especially at lower shutter speeds. Other than that who cares?

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tbcass · Jan 8, 2018

mamallama said:
Give the kids a break. They are in high school and they can probably hold the camera steadier at arms length than you can against your forehead.

No Way!!!!

tbcass · Jan 8, 2018

Brian said:
But more than that... the thing that drives me crazy is vertical video. One of my friends posts a lot of vertical video on face book. I ended up blocking their posts because it irritated me so much.

I agree with that 100%. Vertical video is absolutely stupid. I actually saw someone shooting my grandson's concert with a cellphone in vertical position, panning back and forth to get everything in. Now that defies all logic. In my opinion no video should ever be taken in vertical orientation until televisions and movie screens are oriented that way.

tbcass · Jan 8, 2018

Anybody who ever shoots video in portrait mode, you included, should be severely punished. 30 lashes with a wet noodle. ;-)

tbcass · Jan 8, 2018

Snowfella said:
What drives me somewhat nuts though is people that buy decent gear and don't bother even working out the basics.
Like the scores of people you see happily shooting away with a reversed lens hood mounted, If you had enough thought to bring it along then why not use it?
And the ones you find banging away shots in broad daylight with the onboard flash up and firing when taking happy landscape snaps.

Those are the people who ditched their cameras for a cell phone.

tbcass · Jan 8, 2018

Mackiesback said:
People at football games taking pics with point and shoots with the flash turned on, which will only serve to illuminate the backs of heads for three rows in front of them.

I've seen people do that at concerts in large venues as well. I watch them then see their puzzled looks when all they see for results is a black screen.

donaldsc · Jan 8, 2018

Midwest · Jan 8, 2018

tcg550 said:
My daughter was very interested in photography so we sent her to college for photography, she lost interest and got a degree in law.

Worst of all you can't sue her for wasting your money on a photography major because she'll probably countersue.

Dheorl · Jan 8, 2018

Mackiesback said:
Snowfella said:

Can't say it really drives me nuts, especially as it's how the better half uses her DSLT since her bifocal's just don't agree with the viewfinder.

What drives me somewhat nuts though is people that buy decent gear and don't bother even working out the basics.
Like the scores of people you see happily shooting away with a reversed lens hood mounted, If you had enough thought to bring it along then why not use it?
And the ones you find banging away shots in broad daylight with the onboard flash up and firing when taking happy landscape snaps.

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People at football games taking pics with point and shoots with the flash turned on, which will only serve to illuminate the backs of heads for three rows in front of them.

Don't complain; it makes the crowd look much more interesting in everyone else's photos. Gives a much better sense of how many people are there than a big dark void.

JJoyce4699 · Jan 8, 2018

Mackiesback said:
tcg550 said:

Those kids go to the yearbook room and check out cameras they've never used before. It was their turn to cover an event and they were doing the best they can.

I have a niece who is about to graduate college, she got interested in photography because she was on the yearbook committee to get extra credit or something. Never touched a camera and no one to show her. She asked me some questions to get started and off she went.

She takes the coolest photos up in Northern Michigan and across the country when she works as a river guide.

Point is give them some time, it may click or it may not, they're just kids trying to figure out who they are and what they want.

My daughter was very interested in photography so we sent her to college for photography, she lost interest and got a degree in law. She now uses her phone instead of one of the "real" cameras I bought her but she makes a darn good living in a law firm.

Go figure.

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OP said this was at a Jr High School, I am not sure they even have yearbooks. They didn’t when I was in Jr High.

They have even have elementary school yearbooks in our district. Most of the pictures are from the teachers.

Mackiesback said:
We didn’t have any photography training at that age either, so no surprise the kids weren’t sure what to do.

Our Jr high has a yearbook staff and they take pictures, etc.

n3eg · Jan 8, 2018

Moti said:
No because I also do it sometimes for various reasons.

Also no because I'm a viewfinder hater.

Marty4650 · Jan 8, 2018

Since SO MANY videos are taken in vertical mode I can only assume that most people think their phone won't take video if held horizontally.

If they knew video works either way we might see more of this

and less of this

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Oly Canikon · Jan 8, 2018

tbcass said:
Brian said:

But more than that... the thing that drives me crazy is vertical video. One of my friends posts a lot of vertical video on face book. I ended up blocking their posts because it irritated me so much.

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I agree with that 100%. Vertical video is absolutely stupid. I actually saw someone shooting my grandson's concert with a cellphone in vertical position, panning back and forth to get everything in. Now that defies all logic. In my opinion no video should ever be taken in vertical orientation until televisions and movie screens are oriented that way.

FrancoD · Jan 8, 2018

Oly Canikon said:
It's called vertical video syndrome, it's a horrible debilitating disease. And it's spreading rapidly.

It is made even worse when youtube uses an out of focus replication to fill the sides.

I see that everyday on the news.

Beats me why TV stations never suggest that people could use their phone the other way when taking a video .

From the front page :

and right next to this at the moment -------->

Richard B99 · Jan 8, 2018

crewchief227 said:
I was attending my eldest step-son's band concert, he plays electric bass, I resisted the urge to bring my gear as he was nervous enough. Anyways, this was at a Jr. High school and their were two student "photographers" for the school. One had a Nikon D3400 with the standard kit lens, and the other girl had a Fuji, which I was somewhat impressed, until I saw the girl with the Nikon show her how to turn it on and put it on Auto, which both had. Now that was not the bothersome part, we all started somewhere, the nails on the chalkboard moment for me was when I saw both of them only using live view and holding it out in front of them like a smartphone. Now I get that these kids grew up taking photos with phones, but an instructor or someone for the love of god should have at least taught them how to hold a SLR. I bit my tongue and didn't say anything, but man that was hard.

ttran88 · Jan 8, 2018

if your D3400 didn’t suck a$$ in LV you wouldn’t be singing this song.

AmazingLight · Jan 8, 2018

crewchief227 said:
I was attending my eldest step-son's band concert, he plays electric bass, I resisted the urge to bring my gear as he was nervous enough. Anyways, this was at a Jr. High school and their were two student "photographers" for the school. One had a Nikon D3400 with the standard kit lens, and the other girl had a Fuji, which I was somewhat impressed, until I saw the girl with the Nikon show her how to turn it on and put it on Auto, which both had. Now that was not the bothersome part, we all started somewhere, the nails on the chalkboard moment for me was when I saw both of them only using live view and holding it out in front of them like a smartphone. Now I get that these kids grew up taking photos with phones, but an instructor or someone for the love of god should have at least taught them how to hold a SLR. I bit my tongue and didn't say anything, but man that was hard.

new boyz · Jan 9, 2018

Brian said:
that drives me crazy is vertical video. One of my friends posts a lot of vertical video on face book. I ended up blocking their posts because it irritated me so much.

davidedric · Jan 9, 2018

A couple of years ago, I was buying a new lens at a local family (father and son) run digital camera place. On this occasion I was served by the son, and this topic came up.

(I use Panasonic m4/3 gear, so live view is very good.) Anyway, it turned out that whereas his father almost always shot through the viewfinder he almost always used the screen. I assume they both knew what they were doing, and got decent results.

He also speculated that the increasing use of, especially, mirrorless cameras for video work made his way of shooting seem more natural. I just do what I've always done.

After all, this lens and five axis IBIS stuff must make holding at arms' length more stable.

Anyway, nowadays my arms would be nowhere near long enough to get the lcd thing in focus

Dave

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