My customers have never asked what camera I'm using or what format I'm shooting in. They look at the photos and if they are what we agreed to (they always are) they pay me.
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RAW or JPEG which one do you shoot with ?
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New Day Rising
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What is your business?
Don Lacy
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To me JPEG is like shooting slide film where what you captured when you pressed the shutter is pretty much what your finale image was while Raw is more like print where capture was just the beginning of the process and the image still needed to be finished in the dark room. When I shot film it was mainly slides and since I have gone digital it is mainly Raw but unlike film there are IQ benefits as well as creative benefits over shooting Raw over JPEG. Now those benefits may not out weigh the convience of JPEG for your type of shooting or your style and I recognized that and to each their own but those benefits are real and that was my point. Now I really don't care if you shoot JPEG or Raw all I know for me and my style of shooting Raw is the better format since I really do not want the engineers at Canon making creative choices for me when it comes to tonal values and their relationship to each other.
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Ah - thanks. I thought journalism or similar.
Perfect example of why jpeg makes sense for some businesses. I think you would be hard pressed to make raw work. Would be hard to make money!
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My camera all have duel cards slots, I set them both to shoot RAW. Second card is backup. --
God created the world and all that is in it. We just get to photograph it.
Kenny
God created the world and all that is in it. We just get to photograph it.
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Peekas Pics
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I agree
If something is important enough to shoot RAW I don’t want my backup card shooting JPEG. God created the world and all that is in it. We just get to photograph it.
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Mike_PEAT
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I know that may sound odd, but with my pro stuff I don't have time to waste waiting for RAW images to load, and since I get it right in camera under fully controlled unchanging lighting conditions and it's only going online, I don't care about huge colour gamuts. Also I spend less than 2 minutes editing each JPEG image (and NO, batch processing wouldn't work as I have to custom crop each image and then resize it depending on how much I've cropped).
My personal stuff on the other hand I take all the time I want and I do artsy stuff, so I want as much data as I can get from my camera so I shoot RAW in that case.
My personal stuff on the other hand I take all the time I want and I do artsy stuff, so I want as much data as I can get from my camera so I shoot RAW in that case.
Chris59
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It's not the job of the customer to "understand your business". As a customer, I'm entitled to request information on how you intend to do the job I want.
As for "I can't be bothered to explain" - with that kind of attitude, it's no surprise you also "can't be bothered" understanding or working with RAW to provide a superior product to your customers.
I cannot imagine ever paying anyone to take JPEGs with a 7D Mk II. If I were you, I wouldn't let on who I was in case some of your clients find out...
Chris59
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Not at all. When someone I am paying is shooting JPEG it's because they are too lazy and don't care about the final product. It's all about getting the most from the gear you have.
Seriously... Why the preaching? The guy just told you the nature of his business, getting photos out quick.... and that's what JPEGs are good for. Sure, I realize that there is more flexibility to get various looks to pull shadows, etc with RAW, but if you're doing work that doesn't require any of that and photos need to be transferred on a super-tight deadline, then why wouldn't you use JPEGs? You do realize that there are photographers richer and more skilled than any of us in this conversation who provide press type photos and shoot JPEGs exclusively... Right?
The folks that you're talking to here are all folks who very well understand the benefits shoot RAW, but they also understand the benefits of shooting JPEG... It's not that complicated.
Moti
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Rubbish. When I choose a photographer I look at the quality of his portfolio and his credentials. There are great photographers who shoot jpg and lousy photographers who shoot raw. If you don't understand that then you think like a gearhead.
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Moti
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but you are not a customer so what are you talking about.
But this was not addressed to his customers, this was addressed to an utter ignorant who argues about things he knows very little about and don't want to learn.
I already told you that. You cannot imagine that because you are a gearhead of the worse type and not a photographer.
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Gerry Winterbourne
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What does "more IQ" mean? "Better" and "more" aren't synonyms. And if the process used, whichever it is, has produced the IQ required then the fact that a different process could produce a different result doesn't mean it is "better".
You've changed the topic again. Your question wasn't about the general merits of one format compared to the other, it was about specific cases, which I gave.
There are, of course, many situations where raw can - in the hands of a competent operator - deliver better results. Those situations include the many that fall outside what I said - scene DR exceeds sensor DR, exposure is inappropriate - as well as others. But pointing that out does nothing to falsify what I said.
Moti
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Perheps if you understand the reasons why people, including pros, prefer to shoot JPEG, you would never come up with such silly arguments.
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New Day Rising
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Ignorant and arrogant. He has explained the kind of business he is in (via a link) and he shoots JPEG because it is the only practical way to work and the output is good enough to keep his customers very happy. Did you process a thousand RAW files a day in your profession?
The simple fact is you have made a silly statement based on arrogance and lack of knowledge, been shown by multiple members to be a bit of a fool and the only way you can respond is through ad hominem attacks. A bit sad, really.
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