From Fuji to Q or CL?

There's a point at which desirable attributes become "good enough" and more isn't necessarily better.

Are you happy with your lenses? If so, a newer Fuji camera would likely address the focusing speed issues of your X-Pro1, and the non-OVF versions are more compact. (Also, it'd be worth making sure you have the latest firmware on both your camera and lenses.)

The Leica CL would represent a good step up in image quality, with both the 18/2.8 and the 35/1.4. However, the 35/1.4 is relatively large, and cropping the 18/2.8 down to 50mm equivalent would probably not be satisfying. (It might be! We all have our personal tastes. If so, the CL & 18/2.8 might combine to make a perfect travel kit for you.) If having a fast aperture isn't important, the 18-56 zoom is smaller than the 35mm prime (!), and the zoom's image quality would likely be entirely satisfactory. Also, if the size of the 35 doesn't bother you -- the lens would mostly be in your bag, after all -- the improvement in quality might be welcome.

Enter the Q. The lens appears fantastic and the sensor does it justice: clearly, the Q offers the best image quality at 28mm of this bunch. The Q is also about the same size as your X-Pro1 with XF 35/1.4. So it wouldn't be getting larger, but it wouldn't be getting smaller, either. I haven't closely examined 50mm-like crops from it, so I can't comment on that.

But, if they're all more than good enough in terms of image quality, the question might reduce to one of size and ergonomics. The CL & 18/2.8 would be very small but is operated by two thumb dials, which is okay but not great for me. The Fuji's aperture ring and finger-operated shutter speed dial are quite nice. The Q also has those features, and adds a very functional manual focus ring and a viewfinder that (by all accounts I've seen) is a pleasant step up.

Personally, I like interchangeable lenses; as good as the Q is, it isn't for me. The CL would be far more appealing to me if I could get one in hand and try adjusting the left dial with my right index finger, reaching over the top plate. If that's comfortable, I'd have some preference for the superior Leica lenses. There's a reason, though, that I currently shoot more with my Fuji than my Leica: the Fuji is good enough where it needs to be, and offers me other benefits that I don't get from my Leica. But I do miss my M lenses, even if I don't need them.
Having owned all three cameras, without doubt I would take the CL. It's so good I'm on the cusp of selling my SL. The size is perfect, the controls are excellent, it handles beautifully, the EVF is first class and the IQ is superb. I've used it predominantly with my M 35/f2 ASPH and 50 APO.

The Q would be my second choice and the XP2 my third. But you can't really compare the two. The CL is a more relevant comparison with the XP2 and for me the CL wins all day long and twice on a Sunday.

I am genuinely perplexed by some of the negative reviews. Sure IS would be nice but I've survived for years with my M's without it. For me IQ is right up at the top of my list, together with ease of use, form factor and build quality. The CL ticks every box.

Caveat: for what I need and for what I want.
I fully agree with Your findings. The handling and image quality (23mm f/2 Summicron) is superb for street, travel and event photography. No regrets.
 
interchangeable lenses verse fixed lens, ff sensor verses aps c sensor. its your choice, I went with the Q because the ff sensor will deliver very useful fifty mm crops and passible ninety mm crops, the CL will have a lens dedicated for each,

what made me decide for the Q is one lens is all I get and all I need makes for ff camer smaller a bit then an M and you will not feel any need to do much accessorizing as in new lenses.
 
markusw wrote:

...I am wondering if you could post one of the 50mm crop examples?

You can find sample Q raw files online and do your own crop (look up the angle of view for each focal length and do the trigonometry).
 
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Hi,

I changed from Nikon DX to...yes Leica Q or CL, was the question, too. But frankly spoken full frame then was a must. So I have now a Q and I am that happy. It is lightweight, fast, great picture quality,....and the 28 can be cropped to 35 and 50, but it is only a digital zoom - of course.
 
most of my q images have been cropped but I did not spacifically use the fifty frame line provided. of the ones cropped I know they would be cropped a lot when I shot them about half the time.
 
I owned a Q for a year. It is truly a lust-worthy camera and a stellar performer across the board. On the other hand it is rather bulky, the 28mm (it's really more like 26mm) FL is a bit quirky for mixed use, and the flash options are limited.

I currently own an x100f. It is also a stellar performer and on the vast majority of images i take it goes toe to toe with the Q in file output. It is also MUCH more 'grab and go' than the Q and more low profile when one does not want to draw too much attention. One can stuff it down in a bag, stuff it in a coat pocket, stuff it in a rear carseat pocket with no worries. One can put it on one's wrist and take it to a restaurant or bar and not have to worry about it (unlike the Q).

Finally the presence of on board flash is so under appreciated. During the holidays i took a ton of family pics and flash was a lifesaver for many low light, mixed light and back lit images. The vaunted but flashless Q could never have pulled off those images as well.

So despite its appeal the Q is NOT a clear cut favorite over the x100f even BEFORE price is considered. There is just plain stuff the F is better at.

Here are some pics i took at a concert with the x100f. First of all it was easy getting the camera into the venue - not always a guarantee. Second nobody noticed me taking pictures, or nobody cared. Thirdly the 35mm focal length made band/stage shots a more reasonable proposition. Finally in a really dark venue the autofocus was very reliable and the files were quite acceptable. The Q might have aced the F's noise by a hair, but i'm not even convinced of that.



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Dear all,

I am thinking to switch to Leica for my travel and PJ photography. I have 28 and 50 EFF lenses today... using the 28 for 80%. My Cam is a X-Pro1. 16MP is fine for large prints, for PJ, 6-10 MP is enough.

Why do I want to change?

- AF on the X-Pro1 is mediocre

- would be happy to have just the Q if IQ is fine with the 50mm crop

- want to get the best IQ for 28... will travel to Japan in April - First time in my life...

- Should be as small as possible - advantage for the CL?

- want to shoot with EVF only

So, what is your choice?

Thanks in advance!
 
Some experience using the Leica Q and the move from Fuji. Also trips to Japan.

http://www.matthewseratti.com
An interesting read. I've been a big fan of the X100F but the placement of the Q button, right under my thumb, makes it an ergonomic disaster. Also I love the Fuji 35mm wide open. I think that's where a lot of the character comes from. I still have a problem from time to time with Fuji colours coming from the xtrans sensor. They never look as good as the original Bayer sensor on the first X100.....
 

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