Adobe Lightroom photo cataloging alternative for Windows 10

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I try to organize my photo archive and need some affordable software. Previously I used Shotwell for Ubuntu but recently switched to Windows 10 and need some analog. I tried Adobe Lightroom but it looks cumbersome for me.

Only things I actually need is folder bases cataloging, photo rating, basic file operations (moving, deleting etc.) and basic photo editing operations (rotation, crop etc.)

What can you advice?

P.S. I'm ok to use paid (non free) software.
 
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Which would you recommend for just cataloguing? Thanks.
PhotoSupreme DAM Software VERY advanced, capable, DAM. It was previously called IDImager before it was written for Macs as well as Windows. Some image editing as well, but primarily really good DAM software. Good support, good user forum. 20% off right now.
If you are considering Photo Supreme, as soon as you start the trial, evaluate:

1. The quality, clarity, and completeness of the documentation.

2. The overall ease of use, the ability to use the product out of the box without reading a lot of documentation, etc. The need to create "labels" to add keywords.

3. The number of releases just to fix bugs. Ponder how many of these bugs could have been caught by better beta-testing.

4. The number of hidden functions, which are documented only by messages in the help forum.

5. The overall "mix" of messages in the support forum, feature requests vs. gaps in the documentation and bug reports.

Disclosure: Former Photo Supreme user.

--LongTimeNikonUser
 
Luminar, Affinity, DXO Photo Lab do not offer catalog features, they are more similar to photoshop (or GIMP) as image editors than Lightroom. DXO Photo Lab has a browser and the possibility of collecting images into a "project" (but that is not a catalog) and Luminar has announced a catalog in 2018.

cheers

Giuse

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Luminar, Affinity, DXO Photo Lab do not offer catalog features, they are more similar to photoshop (or GIMP) as image editors than Lightroom. DXO Photo Lab has a browser and the possibility of collecting images into a "project" (but that is not a catalog) and Luminar has announced a catalog in 2018.
I don't know about Luminar (it it new? not in Wikipedia) but DxO PhotoLab is a non-destructive (probably) Raw editor, not a pixel editor like Photoshop and GIMP.

OP andriyka never got back to us with his conclusion, but Photo Supreme seems like what he asked for. Maybe he stuck with Lightroom.
 
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I don't know about Luminar (it it new? not in Wikipedia) but DxO PhotoLab is a non-destructive (probably) Raw editor, not a pixel editor like Photoshop and GIMP.

OP andriyka never got back to us with his conclusion, but Photo Supreme seems like what he asked for. Maybe he stuck with Lightroom.
Yes, Luminar is quite new: it started as a Mac product and this year was ported to Windows. Made by Macphun that is going to be renamed Skylum. It offers many interesting effects/filters but, as pointed out in the review (https://www.lightpoint.info/photo/photo-reviews/885-best-alternatives-to-lightroom-a-complete-review) currently lacks some important features for a pro/amateur use, like it's missing a catalog, it's not output color managed (not supporting monitor color profiles), no EXIF/XMP editing and so on. Nonetheless it seems to have good potential and it is progressing fast so in 2018 it may become a real alternative to Lightroom, or event better since it already offers support for layers like many other competitors of Lightroom, that instead does not have layer support.

As for DxO PhotoLab yes, it is non-destructive but also in Photoshop you can have non destructive editing with smart objects.

Cheers


Giuse
 
Perhaps an overkill, but iMatch is more powerful than LR.
 
Perhaps an overkill, but iMatch is more powerful than LR.
How can you say iMatch this when iMatch is only a DAM - No Develop functions at all! In fact, iMatch suggests how it can be integrated into a LR-iMatch Workflow - Why. LR has a built in DAM!!

Jpegman
 
I believe it! Lightroom does not have a lock on DAM tools. There are several products on the market that meet or beat Lr, when it comes to photo management.
 
I try to organize my photo archive and need some affordable software. Previously I used Shotwell for Ubuntu but recently switched to Windows 10 and need some analog. I tried Adobe Lightroom but it looks cumbersome for me.

Only things I actually need is folder bases cataloging, photo rating, basic file operations (moving, deleting etc.) and basic photo editing operations (rotation, crop etc.)

What can you advice?

P.S. I'm ok to use paid (non free) software.
Have you considered photoshop elements?
 
I believe it! Lightroom does not have a lock on DAM tools. There are several products on the market that meet or beat Lr, when it comes to photo management.
 
How can you say iMatch this when iMatch is only a DAM (...)
(...) Why. LR has a built in DAM!!

Jpegman
If you only work with images and Lr does all 'DAM' you need, great!
But real DAM software (AssetBank,, Canto, DAMinion, Extensis, FotoWare, PhotoSupreme, Widen, ... IMatch) exists for good reasons. It does so much more DAM than Lr.

IMatch is used as the backbone of digital asset management by thousands of users world-wide. It is not tied to a specific RAW processor (Lr) but happily works with DxO, Capture One, ON1, SilkyPix etc. Also Photoshop. Affinity software or any other RAW processor or image editor.

As a real DAM it also manages non-image files like videos, audio files, PDF and Office documents - basically all files you need to deal with. Critical, if you work in projects or you do more than just images. Central concepts like versioning, categorization, time-lining, metadata propagation, classification, searching, sorting and filtering works for all your files. Whether you manage 50,000 or 500,000 files in your IMatch database. And that locally or via any network using IMatch Anywhere™ .

About 50% of the IMatch user base uses Lr and/or Photoshop. Plus a mix of other RAW processors, image and video editor or other content generation applications. IMatch cooperates with and integrates all these tools and applications.

Having your DAM independent from your RAW processor has many advantages. From the ability to manage all files in your workflow in one application to the freedom to choose the best RAW processor for the job at hand.

But, again: If Lightroom does all you need - great. Whatever works for you is good.
 
Perhaps an overkill, but iMatch is more powerful than LR.
How can you say iMatch this when iMatch is only a DAM - No Develop functions at all! In fact, iMatch suggests how it can be integrated into a LR-iMatch Workflow - Why. LR has a built in DAM!!

Jpegman
The OP is asking for a cataloger, isn'it ? It's in the title. That's why I'm talking about a DAM. Am I wrong ?
 
How can you say iMatch this when iMatch is only a DAM (...)
(...) Why. LR has a built in DAM!!

Jpegman
If you only work with images and Lr does all 'DAM' you need, great!
But real DAM software (AssetBank,, Canto, DAMinion, Extensis, FotoWare, PhotoSupreme, Widen, ... IMatch) exists for good reasons. It does so much more DAM than Lr.

IMatch is used as the backbone of digital asset management by thousands of users world-wide. It is not tied to a specific RAW processor (Lr) but happily works with DxO, Capture One, ON1, SilkyPix etc. Also Photoshop. Affinity software or any other RAW processor or image editor.

As a real DAM it also manages non-image files like videos, audio files, PDF and Office documents - basically all files you need to deal with. Critical, if you work in projects or you do more than just images. Central concepts like versioning, categorization, time-lining, metadata propagation, classification, searching, sorting and filtering works for all your files. Whether you manage 50,000 or 500,000 files in your IMatch database. And that locally or via any network using IMatch Anywhere™ .

About 50% of the IMatch user base uses Lr and/or Photoshop. Plus a mix of other RAW processors, image and video editor or other content generation applications. IMatch cooperates with and integrates all these tools and applications.

Having your DAM independent from your RAW processor has many advantages. From the ability to manage all files in your workflow in one application to the freedom to choose the best RAW processor for the job at hand.

But, again: If Lightroom does all you need - great. Whatever works for you is good.
 
I was very interested in iMatch until I found some comments by you in the iMatch forum that you would NOT support custom metadata. Enterprise-level DAMs do support custom metadata, either pre-defined or user defined.
I think you are mistaken. IMatch supports custom metadata via its so called Attributes concept. Attributes allow you to setup your own 'database in the database' - by defining Attribute Sets with Attributes of various types. Including reference Attribute sets (for lookups) and other advanced features.

The user interface is similar to spread sheet applications (e.g., Excel) , which makes it easy to understand. Attributes are fully integrated in IMatch and can be displayed in the file window, Viewer, sldie show. They can be used for sorting, filtering, searching, You can use them in print projects and there are several features to export and import Attributes in various formats.

Users do all kinds of things with Attributes.
From submission tracking and billing to interfacing with backoffice database systems or generally managing custom data that is independent from any metadata standard and works for any file format.

Tip: The IMatch help file is available as a separate download her:e To learn more about Attributes, just click on the Attributes main topic in the table of contents on the left.

What IMatch does not support (too complex, not needed by the majority of the user base) are custom extensions to XMP metadata (custom namespaces).

If you have questions about IMatch, you can always reach me via the IMatch community or email .

Besides "Enterprise-level DAMs" usually come with a price tag a lot higher than 110US$ (cost of IMatch) ;-)

--
Mario M. Westphal - Author of IMatch
 
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...Only things I actually need is folder bases cataloging, photo rating, basic file operations (moving, deleting etc.) and basic photo editing operations (rotation, crop etc.)
Apologies for coming in late, but I just read through this thread, and noticed that XnView wasn't getting any love. Based on the OP's requirements, XnView might be worth a look. It allows searching IPTC and EXIF, Description, Comment, All Fields, and a few more. And you can tag with numbers and/or colors. And I'm guessing he meant "folder based cataloging", which is easy with XnView.

A couple of years ago I bought Zoner Photo Studio 18, which provides very similar capabilities. If I ever abandon Zoner, I'll probably move to XnView.

Just another possible tool to look at.

--JustGeorge
 
Whatever . . .
 
I was very interested in iMatch until I found some comments by you in the iMatch forum that you would NOT support custom metadata. Enterprise-level DAMs do support custom metadata, either pre-defined or user defined.
I think you are mistaken. IMatch supports custom metadata via its so called Attributes concept. Attributes allow you to setup your own 'database in the database' - by defining Attribute Sets with Attributes of various types. Including reference Attribute sets (for lookups) and other advanced features.
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What IMatch does not support (too complex, not needed by the majority of the user base) are custom extensions to XMP metadata (custom namespaces).
 

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