Will the 7DII have the "staying power" of the 7D?

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I realize there is no way to answer this, but do you guys think the 7DII will stay as relevant of a camera as long as the 7D did/has? It seems the 7D is still pretty respected, what do you think the 7DII will be thought of in 5, 10 years? I know it's probably technically outdated already, but that aside....just curious

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I realize there is no way to answer this, but do you guys think the 7DII will stay as relevant of a camera as long as the 7D did/has?
I didn't know the 7D was relevant still. It's noisy
It seems the 7D is still pretty respected, what do you think the 7DII will be thought of in 5, 10 years? I know it's probably technically outdated already, but that aside....just curious

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I realize there is no way to answer this, but do you guys think the 7DII will stay as relevant of a camera as long as the 7D did/has? It seems the 7D is still pretty respected, what do you think the 7DII will be thought of in 5, 10 years? I know it's probably technically outdated already, but that aside....just curious

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It will be for me since that's what I own and not likely to buy another in the near future.
 
Older cameras are still relevant, such as the Nikon D700 or the Canon 5D...they seem

to have obtained a certain cult status among many photographers...for me the 7D MKII

will aslo fall into that category, This APS-C all-rounder has seriously kept me from going

Full Frame...it has excellent image quality with clean ISO 6400 that my original irrelevant

7D could not match...not even close. If the highly anticipated 7D MK III turns out to be

a real big game changer then I will gladly label my 7D MK II irrelevant.

Greetings

Matthias
 
Incremental progress in cameras is getting smaller every generation. The jump from Mk. II to Mk. III will likely be less than I to II. I suspect the II will serve a photographer for a long time to come. The I likely will also.
 
With good lenses and good light, a camera remains as relevant as the it was the day it was introduced, assuming the sensor is able to produce an image suited for the purpose. This includes my 7D, 40D, and, to drift off-topic a bit, my 5D. (The 5D, if I recall correctly, was announced in the second half of 2005, so is a design that is 12+ years old.) I see no reason why my pair of 7D II cameras will be any different. If anything, the 7D2 cameras will remain relevant longer, because of their ability to detect flickering light, and synchronize the shutter, producing uniform exposures and WB, in places where that is a factor. For some shooters, this feature, alone, was a game-changer.

A 7D Mark III may or may not be a significant improvement. There is simply no way to know, in advance, how this will affect the desirability of owning a 7D Mark II. The 6D II was a disappointment, for some, which has probably preserved some of the original 6D’s “staying power.”

The Nikon D500* has “stolen” some of the 7D II’s “thunder,” so it will be interesting to see the long-term effects. Canon’s response to the Nikkor 200-500mm lens, if any, may be a significant factor in this equation; some number of bird/wildlife photographers really favor the D500/200-500mm combination, in spite of the 200-500mm not having the AF speed of Nikon’s higher-level super-telephoto lenses. The 200-500mm was built to a price, and its price seems to have caused many buyers to act. (I would rather be patient, save, and pay more, to get faster AF, a wider maximum aperture, a more-secure hood, and better build quality.)

*We have his-and-hers D500 cameras, for me to use as a reference point, but I still love my 7D II cameras, and they still have plenty of work to do.

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The Nikon D500* has “stolen” some of the 7D II’s “thunder,” so it will be interesting to see the long-term effects. Canon’s response to the Nikkor 200-500mm lens, if any, may be a significant factor in this equation; some number of bird/wildlife photographers really favor the D500/200-500mm combination, in spite of the 200-500mm not having the AF speed of Nikon’s higher-level super-telephoto lenses. The 200-500mm was built to a price, and its price seems to have caused many buyers to act. (I would rather be patient, save, and pay more, to get faster AF, a wider maximum aperture, a more-secure hood, and better build quality.)

*We have his-and-hers D500 cameras, for me to use as a reference point, but I still love my 7D II cameras, and they still have plenty of work to do.
In my opinion the EF 100-400 L IS II with a 1.4X TC III is already a superior lens to the Nikon 200-500. The image quality is outstanding!!!
 
Yes, even more I think.

The 7DII has all you need when shooting wildlife/sports and almost everything else. Ok, it has its limits when shooting small-scale landscapes.

For me, dynamic range and noise are the key factors when deciding to buy the 7DIII. The rest is not necessary: 12 fps, tilt screen, better video, wifi, 100 Af-points, larger burst whatever ;-)
 
I was underwhelmed with the 7D. The AF was OK but not great, and only 19 points, meh. 8fps was good, but 10 is better. The sensor, meh. I didn't like it after ISO 800. It was a stop-gap camera. The 7D2 is a mature camera.

IMO the 7D only had staying power with people who were too cheap to upgrade to the 7D2, which was a massive upgrade in every way, with truly professional AF at center stage. I've shot games next to agency pros shooting 1DX2 + 300/2.8 and compared images. You could hang our 24x36" prints next to each other and not be able to tell - I have actually done this. You could get paid to shoot sports for many many years with a 7D2. You'd have no need to replace it until it broke.

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I was underwhelmed with the 7D. The AF was OK but not great, and only 19 points, meh. 8fps was good, but 10 is better. The sensor, meh. I didn't like it after ISO 800. It was a stop-gap camera. The 7D2 is a mature camera.

IMO the 7D only had staying power with people who were too cheap to upgrade to the 7D2
It had staying power because it was 5 years before the 7D2 replaced the 7D. Until then, it was still the best crop sensor cam that Canon had.
 
depends on your view of staying power, some people will buy the mkiii and forget the mkii.

some people are still using the 20d and are still happy with it.

so it has staying power for those that still want to use it but not for those that want to update to a newer model.
 
in my opinion the 7d mkii was a great camera when it was released, it is a great camera today, so it will still be a great camera in five years time.

albeit a better camera might be around.
 
I was underwhelmed with the 7D. The AF was OK but not great, and only 19 points, meh. 8fps was good, but 10 is better. The sensor, meh. I didn't like it after ISO 800. It was a stop-gap camera. The 7D2 is a mature camera.

IMO the 7D only had staying power with people who were too cheap to upgrade to the 7D2, which was a massive upgrade in every way, with truly professional AF at center stage.

I've shot games next to agency pros shooting 1DX2 + 300/2.8 and compared images. You could hang our 24x36" prints next to each other and not be able to tell - I have actually done this. You could get paid to shoot sports for many many years with a 7D2. You'd have no need to replace it until it broke.
Possibly copy variation but the AF on my 7D was at least as good as the AF on my 7DII.

And my 7D was a solid performer with regard to noise, ISO 800 was no problem. However, I've seen some 7D cameras outside with terrible noise at ISO 400.

Maybe I had a 'good' 7D, my 7DII seems to be not that good but still better than the 7D. The colors are better and noise is easy to remove.

But it makes me think, so much difference between copies.
 
in my opinion the 7d mkii was a great camera when it was released, it is a great camera today, so it will still be a great camera in five years time.

albeit a better camera might be around.
The original 7d had the best APSC sensor when it launched. Also best in class 1080p recording.

The 7d mk2 sensor wasn't performing well against the budget bin D3300 from the day it launched.

Yes it will be fast 5 years from now. But it never was and never will be a great overall camera.

It just lacked too much from the get go. WiFi, swivel touchscreen, 4k video to outright sensor performance.

The only thing it had and always will have going for it is it's speed and buffer.

It's a one trick pony very good at sports and wildlife. Too expensive heavy and ill equiped for users interested in anything else.

Luckily Canon also makes the 80D where the dual pixel AF actually works in practice with the great touchscreen. And where the sensor performance is a pretty close match to it's peers.
 
in my opinion the 7d mkii was a great camera when it was released, it is a great camera today, so it will still be a great camera in five years time.

albeit a better camera might be around.
The original 7d had the best APSC sensor when it launched. Also best in class 1080p recording.

The 7d mk2 sensor wasn't performing well against the budget bin D3300 from the day it launched.

Yes it will be fast 5 years from now. But it never was and never will be a great overall camera.
As they say, yours is only one opinion. There are plenty of folks like myself that actually use it and are of the opinion it was and still is a great camera.
 
I realize there is no way to answer this, but do you guys think the 7DII will stay as relevant of a camera as long as the 7D did/has?
I didn't know the 7D was relevant still. It's noisy
It seems the 7D is still pretty respected, what do you think the 7DII will be thought of in 5, 10 years? I know it's probably technically outdated already, but that aside....just curious

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instagram: @joshdenaultphotography
7D suffers from lousy shadow recovery. If exposed properly even high ISO photos are quite menegable in PP.

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High ISO noise handling is of course much better with 7DII or 80D.

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I picked up a used 7DM2 with a grip this summer for the 1.6 boost for outdoor sports. I'm waiting for the 7DM3 to come out so the M2 will drop in price so I can pick one up for my son. So I do think the M2 will be used in the coming years.

Its easy to say a new body will out perform the current version. It's another to actually do the switch. Some will no doubt make the move, which is what i'm looking for, but its a lot of money to switch. Plus the 7DM2 is an awesome package.
 
I was underwhelmed with the 7D. The AF was OK but not great, and only 19 points, meh. 8fps was good, but 10 is better. The sensor, meh. I didn't like it after ISO 800. It was a stop-gap camera. The 7D2 is a mature camera.

IMO the 7D only had staying power with people who were too cheap to upgrade to the 7D2, which was a massive upgrade in every way, with truly professional AF at center stage. I've shot games next to agency pros shooting 1DX2 + 300/2.8 and compared images. You could hang our 24x36" prints next to each other and not be able to tell - I have actually done this. You could get paid to shoot sports for many many years with a 7D2. You'd have no need to replace it until it broke.
Nice shots.

I'm not a pro, but I do a lot of sports shooting for my alma mater. For both football and basketball, I've found the 7D2 to be a day and night improvement over the original. I didn't dare take the original above 6400 (and didn't really even like that) because the noise was unmanageable. That limited me to 1/400, which really isn't fast enough. With the anti-flicker and improved high ISO performance, I'm quite comfortable with ISO 8000-10000 which lets me get 1/800. Not to mention the better AF, faster frame rate, better customization, and all the other little improvements.



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I'd have had a lot of difficulty with the original 7D in this light. Mark II, no problem.
 

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