Taking photos without consent - a hate crime now

I've been shooting in the streets in the UK before and since this article was written and never been arrested :)
Well, I have taken photos in China as well, and was not arrested. I guess there are no problems with human rights in China then.
Hmmm, ignoring the rest of my post and cherry picking one small part to write a sarcy comment to and keep the argument going.
That was the only part of your post having something to do with the OP.
 
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So you really think it;s happening eh photographing people is taken as a hate crime and we get arrested for it? Despite the fact it;s bs. And you would get arrested for taking that shot of the people on that boat right? :)

I think we're done here, couple more posts and thread dies. I give it two to five posts. Want to bet a lens on it? I'll give you 5 to 1 on price value. ;)
 
So you really think it;s happening eh photographing people is taken as a hate crime and we get arrested for it?
I really think that they said that, because, guess what, they acttually did. The "happening" was an attempt to deflect the main topic.
 
There comes a point when law becomes unenforceable. Especially when it attempts to dictate morality to an insane level like outlawing a whistle. As a society we are reaching that tipping point. When a thought is a crime we are getting into the space where absolute tyranny by government has arrived. You may not care now but I guarantee you will if this lunacy keeps progressing.
Why do you keep suggesting 'thought is a crime'?

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I've been shooting in the streets in the UK before and since this article was written and never been arrested :)

I've been asked by cops not to shoot railway station CCTV cameras for security reasons and that's fine with me. That's about it. Heck the cops have even let me take photos of them, even the ones in London with sniffer dogs carrying machine guns :)

This is a 'no story,' story.

Sorry to disappoint but that's the boring reality of it man.
Sniffer dogs carrying machine guns!?!? Now, that IS scary.

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:)
 
There are certain things to which my response, rather than being one of "respect where one is coming from," is instead one of "get over it, you're being ridiculously oversensitive."

People being paranoid of photos that aren't upskirts etc is one, and yes wolf-whistling is another.

Men are turned on by women (well the heterosexual ones). When it's hot, sometimes when it's not, many women will wear spaghetti-strap tank-tops with no bra on. That is visually appealing to a man. A wolf-whistle is him aloud saying "man, I love the looks of what I'm seeing." It's like smelling good food and saying "mmm, mmm" aloud.

It's harmless. It's immature when it gets ridiculous, yes, and the more "tasteful" thing to do is you're a man and the woman has said such talk has her feeling awkward is to ease off, but it's for the most part harmless and criminalizing it is an extreme overreaction. It's not ****, it's not following someone for several blocks not leaving them alone. it's not Harvey Weinstein "pleasuring"himself in front of them, it's a freaking SOUND. Women crying fowl over that are being ridiculous and need to get the heck over it or cover up those headlights and stop their stupid whining.

No, wearing a tank-top is not necessarily an "invitation" for a whistle, but guess what, one is not needed. A men has the right to whistle because he FEELS like it. Period. He's not harming anyone, he's not following her for several blocks, showing up at her home, exposing himself to her, making passes, groping, calling her a "witch" repeatedly. It's a freaking WHISTLE. Big whooping deal.
 
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There comes a point when law becomes unenforceable. Especially when it attempts to dictate morality to an insane level like outlawing a whistle.
It is outlawing the use of a whistle as a form of harassment. Should society allow harassment? Should women just have to put up with harassment? Who should dictate morality?
Are we really this fragile? If we are then God help us when a real threat confronts us. The human population in the developed countries are a week from anarchy without food being resupplied in cities. A couple of days without water service. Save your outrage for something more important than a wolf whistle. Go do something really important like stopping the slave trade in Libya.
As a society we are reaching that tipping point. When a thought is a crime
Can you give an example of where thought has been made into a crime?
Does anyone pay attention to current events anymore?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...atchdog-warns-against-creating-thought-crime/
we are getting into the space where absolute tyranny by government has arrived. You may not care now but I guarantee you will if this lunacy keeps progressing.
 
Some nitwit makes a snap of me "get him get him he needs to be jailed for it.
 
is it because the men don’t like it :D
 
This is back? Ugh.
Men are turned on by women (well the heterosexual ones). When it's hot, sometimes when it's not, many women will wear spaghetti-strap tank-tops with no bra on. That is visually appealing to a man. A wolf-whistle is him aloud saying "man, I love the looks of what I'm seeing." It's like smelling good food and saying "mmm, mmm" aloud.
Wow. That "defense" is super messed up.

Women are not a consumable, roasted up for your pleasure. They do not exist solely to please you; they do not walk on the streets for your entertainment. That very attitude is the core of the problem.

For example: In the infamous "wolf whistle" case discussed in this thread, men at a construction site were verbally harassing a woman pretty much non-stop for over a month... in January and February. It didn't matter what she was wearing, in fact she often deliberately wore modest clothing, wore headphones, tried to ignore them, refused to engage them. One man claims that he couldn't see her face, just "the back of her." (He also said that the woman who complained "must be thinking things above her station.")

One day, one of the construction workers deliberately blocked her path, while his fellow workers made comments. (That's why she ended up calling the police, who did not wind up arresting anyone. This also happened more than a year before Nottingham changed its record-keeping process, in a town about 100 miles away.)

Street harassment does not start in June, and end in August; it's a year-round problem. I routinely see men harass women in the dead of winter, when everyone is wearing coats and jackets and hats, often wearing big puffy down coats. Those women are not trying to look sexy; they are trying to get to work.

Street harassment is not about allegedly harmless appreciation of the female form. The street is not an art gallery where one can abstractly ponder the wonder of the human body without having any impact on the subject. It's about power. It's about men who value their own desires above all else; it's about belittling women; it's about putting them "in their place," according to the man's beliefs about his status; it's about treating women as objects for male amusement.
No, wearing a tank-top is not necessarily an "invitation" for a whistle, but guess what, one is not needed. A men has the right to whistle because he FEELS like it. Period.
A right? Does that also mean that any man also has the right to walk 5 paces behind you, commenting on how sweet your ass looks, twice a day, day after day?

The right to speak freely does not exculpate you from how you use that freedom. It is not acceptable to say whatever you want, to whomever you want, just because you feel like it. It is rare that this escalates to the point where there is a useful role in law enforcement; but the fact that street harassment may not escalate to that point does not mean that it is morally justifiable behavior.
 
A girl has all the freedom to wear a tank top, and a man has all the freedom to whistle.

As long as both of them are not directing it with a name specifically to a person or group.

That said - it is all about intent. Why is the woman wearing the tank top and why is the man whistling?

Since nobody can discern intent, the only intent is what one wants to make it out.

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I'm puzzled why so many want to insist on a man having the right to behave like a jerk.
I am puzzled why you would allow a government to punish a person for being a jerk. Under that standard we would all be in jail at some point.
I don't. You've got to be a grade-A jerk before it gets to the point where you risk being punished for it.

That doesn't make it right, or sensible to be an average jerk, or even make it a right worth arguing for.
 
I'm puzzled why so many want to insist on a man having the right to behave like a jerk.
I am puzzled why you would allow a government to punish a person for being a jerk. Under that standard we would all be in jail at some point.
I don't. You've got to be a grade-A jerk before it gets to the point where you risk being punished for it.

That doesn't make it right, or sensible to be an average jerk, or even make it a right worth arguing for.
...and you just identified the problem. Who determines what makes a person a "grade A jerk?" Do you want politicians making that call? I sure don't. What is next? You know these PC people can't ever stop thinking of ways to control people.
 
There comes a point when law becomes unenforceable. Especially when it attempts to dictate morality to an insane level like outlawing a whistle.
It is outlawing the use of a whistle as a form of harassment. Should society allow harassment? Should women just have to put up with harassment? Who should dictate morality?
Are we really this fragile? If we are then God help us when a real threat confronts us.
U bet.
The human population in the developed countries are a week from anarchy without food being resupplied in cities. A couple of days without water service. Save your outrage for something more important than a wolf whistle. Go do something really important like stopping the slave trade in Libya.
As a society we are reaching that tipping point. When a thought is a crime
Can you give an example of where thought has been made into a crime?
Does anyone pay attention to current events anymore?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...atchdog-warns-against-creating-thought-crime/
we are getting into the space where absolute tyranny by government has arrived. You may not care now but I guarantee you will if this lunacy keeps progressing.
A woman wears a tank top with no bra and they expect men on the street to start singing hymns and praise the lord?

Why only hold men up to the greater standards?
 
I'm puzzled why so many want to insist on a man having the right to behave like a jerk.
I am puzzled why you would allow a government to punish a person for being a jerk. Under that standard we would all be in jail at some point.
I don't. You've got to be a grade-A jerk before it gets to the point where you risk being punished for it.

That doesn't make it right, or sensible to be an average jerk, or even make it a right worth arguing for.
...and you just identified the problem. Who determines what makes a person a "grade A jerk?" Do you want politicians making that call? I sure don't. What is next? You know these PC people can't ever stop thinking of ways to control people.
Do you think you should have the right to do just what you want, regardless of the consequences to other people?
 

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