What do you think about using a protective filter on a premium lens?

Hi, I received my secondhand PL 12mm f1.4 lens yesterday. This is the first premium lens I've ever owned. Absolutely amazing lens, and I'm seeing the M43 system in a completely new light after playing with it for a few minutes. I'll never buy a FF camera after seeing what this lens can do.

I'm not usually interested in protective filters, because they affect IQ, they're a waste of money, they're ugly, and lenses rarely get scratched anyway. But this lens has a massive front glass element, and it's quite an expensive lens. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of paying another $100 for a filter if it's not necessary. I'm a bit undecided. Maybe I'll just use the lens hood and take a risk. What would you do?

Thanks.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/231826253937

Official Aus importers Fleabay site.. $48 takes 2 days.. stop worrying about cleaning and damage.

Wide angle lenses are not sensitive to filter quality and in any case this Hoya has the best or equal to the best coatings and optical quality (filters are a hobby of mine and I could bore you for an hour). This one is also the new type that cleans easy... what lens makers put on the outside elements these days as well. And it is a clear non-UV bulldust type which is not applicable to digital anyway.
 
The only filters I put on my lenses are ones that serve a purpose namely a polarising filter or ND filters {mainly for video} . I think it would need to be a very fortuitous “accident” when you dropped your lens and hit something with enough force to smash the filter while leaving the lens front a few mm behind it intact.
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
The only filters I put on my lenses are ones that serve a purpose namely a polarising filter or ND filters {mainly for video} . I think it would need to be a very fortuitous “accident” when you dropped your lens and hit something with enough force to smash the filter while leaving the lens front a few mm behind it intact.
 
The only filters I put on my lenses are ones that serve a purpose namely a polarising filter or ND filters {mainly for video} . I think it would need to be a very fortuitous “accident” when you dropped your lens and hit something with enough force to smash the filter while leaving the lens front a few mm behind it intact.

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Jim Stirling
If I drop a lens I say goodbye to it whilst it is still falling!

For me protective filters means I can grab the bottom of my t-shirt if in a hurry to remove some dust or a spec of pollen or a dogs nose print (yes that happens) instead of setting up my CSI table for a clunical clean of the actual front element.
The quickly wiped filter will do the same to image quality that a quickly wiped front element :-) You might as well carry some wipes and do it right :-) I can relate to the dog issue , if I get too close to mine he is apt to lick the lens :-)

My dog and my daughters pup in a rare peaceful moment after their walk :-)



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M43 equivalence: "Twice the fun with half the weight"
"You are a long time dead" -
Credit to whoever said that first and my wife for saying it to me. Make the best you can of every day!


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Jim Stirling
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
But you still use ND and pol filters.. or not?
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
I only have two lenses with protective filters - 12-40 pro, 40-150 pro. I chose to put filters on those two lenses for three reasons, They are my most expensive lenses, I am more likely to use them in rain, snow, and other conditions that will require more frequent cleaning, and they have the largest front elements of any of my lenses.
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 
I don't believe they offer much protection (a hood does a far better job at that) and I don't want an extra layer of glass between my lens and what I am shooting.

I have never scratched the front element of lens in over 50 years of shooting. I suppose it could happen, but it is unlikely to effect image quality if it does. And I don't buy things I am afraid to use. I rarely buy anything with the notion of keeping it in perfect shape for when I want to sell it. These are just tools, and I don't fret over keeping them in pristine condition. I just use them.
 
Hi, I received my secondhand PL 12mm f1.4 lens yesterday. This is the first premium lens I've ever owned. Absolutely amazing lens, and I'm seeing the M43 system in a completely new light after playing with it for a few minutes. I'll never buy a FF camera after seeing what this lens can do.

I'm not usually interested in protective filters, because they affect IQ, they're a waste of money, they're ugly, and lenses rarely get scratched anyway. But this lens has a massive front glass element, and it's quite an expensive lens. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of paying another $100 for a filter if it's not necessary. I'm a bit undecided. Maybe I'll just use the lens hood and take a risk. What would you do?

Thanks.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/231826253937
Official Aus importers Fleabay site.. $48 takes 2 days.. stop worrying about cleaning and damage.

Wide angle lenses are not sensitive to filter quality and in any case this Hoya has the best or equal to the best coatings and optical quality (filters are a hobby of mine and I could bore you for an hour). This one is also the new type that cleans easy... what lens makers put on the outside elements these days as well. And it is a clear non-UV bulldust type which is not applicable to digital anyway.
i will second these Hoyas. Picked them up in different sizes and usually find one selling loads cheaper on UK eBay.

The easy cleaning is great. I generally use a Lenspen Filterklear.

Many, even expensive ones, are a right royal pain to clean. Not so the Fusion.
--
M43 equivalence: "Twice the fun with half the weight"
"You are a long time dead" -
Credit to whoever said that first and my wife for saying it to me. Make the best you can of every day!
 
Hi, I received my secondhand PL 12mm f1.4 lens yesterday. This is the first premium lens I've ever owned. Absolutely amazing lens, and I'm seeing the M43 system in a completely new light after playing with it for a few minutes. I'll never buy a FF camera after seeing what this lens can do.

I'm not usually interested in protective filters, because they affect IQ, they're a waste of money, they're ugly, and lenses rarely get scratched anyway. But this lens has a massive front glass element, and it's quite an expensive lens. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of paying another $100 for a filter if it's not necessary. I'm a bit undecided. Maybe I'll just use the lens hood and take a risk. What would you do?

Thanks.
I'm not going to read all the responses as they are too often the same highly opinionated blather. As for degradation of image quality, I have seen quite a few blogs and videos on the subject, some impressive and some not; but, the most impressive I ever saw was one (with test-target image samples) where the author had to stack seven good-quality filters on a lens before he began to see a difference between no filter and seven filters.

He had to stack four cheap ones before a difference was detectable.

My reason for using protective filters is that it makes cleaning gunk off the front much easier and eliminates the chance of scratching the front element when doing so.

And while on that subject, I chose B+W and didn't pay a hundred dollars for them. If you shop e-bay, you can usually find reliable dealers with long histories and 99%+ feedback who sell them new at a fraction of retail. So far, the prices I've paid for B+W filters has hovered around half of MSRP, give or take about 10%.

In certain conditions of light (shooting directly into a light source), filters can increase flare; but, I simply remove my filters for those rare shots.
 
with the B+W nano coated filters. Even on my 100-400mm, which is apparently sensitive to filter quality, I have not noticed any degradation or unusual optical effects.

On a lens with that size front element, which is very exposed, I am much more comfortable having a protective filter than not. I can't tell you how many times I have taken a lens out of my bag only to find the lens cap has popped off and the front glass is banging around against it or the bottom of the bag....having a filter on prevents damage from that kind of thing as well as making the occasional smudge easier to clean off.

And for those who say they use lens hoods instead? Well, there is no way on this green Earth that the lens hood from the 100-400mm is going to fit in the bag ON the lens to protect it there.....

So, yeah, for me the high end filters are the way to go. Oh, and Adorama/B&H/Amazon all routinely have good prices on these things, so they may not be as expensive as you think (they still won't be cheap, but they won't be prohibitive).

-J
 
David Hobby (The Strobist) once said that he used protective filters on his lenses as a mean of lens caps. And I agree. I simply hate lens caps. What I do now is, I store my lenses with the filters and caps on, but not any filter, but good quality filters, like B&W or a Breakthrough Photography ultra slim filter I bought for my 12-40mm, and when I'm out taking pictures, I remove the caps, and leave them on the bag, and I simply don't care about protecting the front element anymore. If I get dirt or moisture on it, I can rub it with a piece of cloth, or even my shirt, and I'm good to go.

Filters are particularly useful in misty seaside conditions, where you don't want all that salty moisture in your front element. I live in Panama, so we have both oceans at each side of the country, so is sea salt and humidity galore.

I haven't seen any significant detriment in image quality, but I do take them away sometimes at night, when there are artificial lights in the scene, since it can create ghost reflections in the image. Although I shot the night arrival of the first Neo Panamax container vessel to our terminal, months ago, and I left the filters on, since it was raining continuously. I thanked Olympus for their weather sealing that night.
 
just a waste of money in my opinion, never had a problem in all those years by not using one either, i put an old hoya one on a camera this year for a trip just to see and had some horrible reflections with it.....back in storage it goes
Filters are like oil threads on car forums hahah... but old single coated filters from anyone are hopeless.. maybe yours was? If you try really hard with the best filters today you can create an extra reflection somewhere but there would be so many from the lens already... People have different outlooks in life.. my mate does not use disc locks or cables on his expensive motorbike when we tour. He says that is why he pays comprehensive insurance. I think about the way it would ruin the plans of a good holiday.. horses for courses hey?
 

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