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I really like the G80 except one big thing. The fully articulated screen. I often like to shoot from the hip with m43 and I could quickly tilt the screen up on the EM10ii with a simple left hand movement, then select a focus point with the right thumb if needed and then quickly push the screen back in place. With the G80 this style of shooting becomes impossible. I need to fully flip out the screen, tilt it, grab it differently to be able to use the left hand to select a focus point, then fold this thing back in place. This takes more time, attracts attention, makes the camera “bigger” and is just plain inconvenient for this style of shooting. I could use my old EM10ii or a GX80, however these cameras are less convenient from the ergonomic standpoint. Unfortunately all higher end m43 cameras have moved to the FAS standard - the em1ii and G9 now have it as well.

I understand that the flip out screen is really good for video and for some special applications, perhaps macro. But is it a better option for the majority of stills shooters?
 
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Why do you call it a fully articulated screen? Is there such thing as a partially articulated screen?
 
I really like the G80 except one big thing. The fully articulated screen. I often like to shoot from the hip with m43 and I could quickly tilt the screen up on the EM10ii with a simple left hand movement, then select a focus point with the right thumb if needed and then quickly push the screen back in place. With the G80 this style of shooting becomes impossible. I need to fully flip out the screen, tilt it, grab it differently to be able to use the left hand to select a focus point, then fold this thing back in place. This takes more time, attracts attention, makes the camera “bigger” and is just plain inconvenient for this style of shooting. I could use my old EM10ii or a GX80, however these cameras are less convenient from the ergonomic standpoint. Unfortunately all higher end m43 cameras have moved to the FAS standard - the em1ii and G9 now have it as well.

I understand that the flip out screen is really good for video and for some special applications, perhaps macro.

But is it a better option for the majority of stills shooters?
It is for using the screen in portrait mode unless the screen is at eye level. Although I use the EVF for most of my shooting, when I do use the rear screen in portrait mode I usually find myself needing the fully articulated mechanism, and don’t see how I could otherwise get the shot with a tilty screen. Also, the flippy screen lets you see around corners in landscape mode. 😉
 
Problem with the tilt-screen is that you're restricted to landscape orientation only.

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I really like the G80 except one big thing. The fully articulated screen. I often like to shoot from the hip with m43 and I could quickly tilt the screen up on the EM10ii with a simple left hand movement, then select a focus point with the right thumb if needed and then quickly push the screen back in place. With the G80 this style of shooting becomes impossible. I need to fully flip out the screen, tilt it, grab it differently to be able to use the left hand to select a focus point, then fold this thing back in place. This takes more time, attracts attention, makes the camera “bigger” and is just plain inconvenient for this style of shooting. I could use my old EM10ii or a GX80, however these cameras are less convenient from the ergonomic standpoint. Unfortunately all higher end m43 cameras have moved to the FAS standard - the em1ii and G9 now have it as well.

I understand that the flip out screen is really good for video and for some special applications, perhaps macro. But is it a better option for the majority of stills shooters?
For me most definitely! I would always pick a FAS over a screen that can be rotated only around a single axis (even if it rotates in both directions). But I realize that my preference is mostly a matter of what I am used to as is probably in your case.
 
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If it's that important to you, you could pick up a used EM-1 very cheap. It's an excellent camera (for me at least) and the LCD is what you favor. Personally I miss the articulated screen as I use it on the ground for wildflowers and fungi.
 
I agree completely. I really hate fully articulated screens. I can see how they're useful in some circumstances, but for me they're just too slow, clumsy and inconvenient. I find that's especially true for macro, where I want to adjust the angle quickly and a screen sticking out the side can easily get in the way.

For me the proliferation of the FAS is the worst thing about the m4/3 system compared with Fuji/Sony. Avoiding it means being limited to older models, or low end bodies like the GX85.
 
GX85?
 
Why do you call it a fully articulated screen? Is there such thing as a partially articulated screen?

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Yes, it's known as a 'tilt screen' it does not fully open out ...

I feel the same, I much prefer a simple tilt screen. I have one on the em5 and it's great for candids, street and close up or macro. On my G80, the screen bugs me a bit, I don't want it out to the side, so I mostly just leave it closed, facing out like a standard LCD.

You could trade it for an Em1, a very capable camera with a solid grip that has the tilt screen. I wish they would offer 2 models on the newer cameras .... one for the photographer and one for the vain 'vlogger' and selfie types :D
 

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