bobn2
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Fixed telephoto? Not sure there is so much of a market.
Worthwhile remembering that Nikon had all these cameras slated for introduction and canned them. Presumably, they just thought the sales weren't there.
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The missing M4/3 camera
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Worthwhile remembering that Nikon had all these cameras slated for introduction and canned them. Presumably, they just thought the sales weren't there.
50mm equiv or actual focal length?
If it's 50mm actual FL and native to m43 that would give a FOV similar to 100mm on FF format. The closest fixed prime compact would be a Sigma DP3 at 75mm equiv and that was already a niche product within a niche.
But if you mean 50mm equiv (so 25mm actual) then yea, I think it would sell reasonably. I, too like the RIcoh GR and think it is the best in class and have always felt that it should be a series with a number of different FL's eg. 21mm, 28mm and 50mm sharing the same body and UI.
I think for the formula to be successful it would really need a collapsible lens, making the entire package compellingly smaller than a removable lens version.
So IMO, the Ricoh GR comes closest. But that collapsing air-sucking action causes some dust on sensor issues so the camera should also be weather sealed, or at least the space between the last lens element and the sensor.
Furthermore, UI should be consistent with each manufacturer's ILC's making transitioning between cameras seamless.
So IMO, the Ricoh GR comes closest. But that collapsing air-sucking action causes some dust on sensor issues so the camera should also be weather sealed, or at least the space between the last lens element and the sensor.
Furthermore, UI should be consistent with each manufacturer's ILC's making transitioning between cameras seamless.
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Wu Jiaqiu
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LX200 would be nice though and come close to your preferences or at least it could if they use the full sensor.
GM7 is what is missing now. As usual my prefered specs:
1) 20 MP sensor latest greatest
2) EVF if possible better
3) Screen if possible tilting (keeping size the same)
4) DFD2, 10 sot RAW buiffer, 4 fps with CAF.
5) 12 bit eshutter
6) smart battery use like G80
7) If possible IBIS
8) If possibel 4K video
If possible = keeping the size and weight in the same range as GM5.
GM7 is what is missing now. As usual my prefered specs:
1) 20 MP sensor latest greatest
2) EVF if possible better
3) Screen if possible tilting (keeping size the same)
4) DFD2, 10 sot RAW buiffer, 4 fps with CAF.
5) 12 bit eshutter
6) smart battery use like G80
7) If possible IBIS
8) If possibel 4K video
If possible = keeping the size and weight in the same range as GM5.
bobn2
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I think that Nikon's scrapping of the proposed DL line is quite interesting, with respect to whether there is a marked. Still, this proposed camera could be a 1" with an 18.5mm f/1.5, a mFT with a 25mm f/2, an APS-C with a 32mm f/2.7 or an FF with a 50mm f/4.
I think that the sweet spot there is the APS-C camera. An f/2.7 lens can be quite a bit simpler and more compact than an f/2. Obviously, the f/4 can be simpler still, but the FF sensor would be expensive. As you suggest, the GR and also the Coolpix A are close to this space already, though they have wide angle lenses. One would think that a new lens on one of those would be a simpler job than a ground-upo new camera for a market that seems nice in any case.
bobn2
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gary0319
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After reading all the posts here I have reevaluated my own position. My desire for a high end compact based on a 4/3 sensor really didn't make much sense. It was primarily due to my irrational affection for "all things Four Thirds." As many have pointed out a compact camera is a closed system, so the four thirds sensor only brings one advantage.... the potential of smaller and lighter. But it also brings the disadvantage of older sensor technology, lower resolution (the LX100 used a cropped 4/3 sensor to keep lens size down) and being less useful in low light.
So I probably would be better off with an upgrade for my GM1. And everything on your list makes sense. Except, I would want IBIS definitely, and I wouldn't require 4K video. The truth is 2K video is pretty darn good for most amateur users. And 4K forces your camera to be larger and heavier due to the need for heat dissipation. I've noticed that most of us are still using DVD players even though BluRay is technically better. This is a compromise I am willing to make, since video just isn't that important for me.
And I already own many small M4/3 lenses (12mm, 14mm, 17mm, 25mm, 45mm, 12-32mm and 35-100mm.) So a GM7 makes the most sense for me. Just make it weather sealed, add IBIS, add a tilt screen, add a 20MP sensor, and try to improve the EVF and I am in. And then I can start wishing for some weather sealed small lenses! It can be bigger, but still smaller than a GX85 (which DOES have IBIS and a tilt screen) and I will be thrilled.
So now I am back to square one. Waiting for a GM7 that will probably never happen.
Lord help me! :-(
jsaras
Leading Member
Just slap a pancake lens on an E-PLx or GXx body and you've accomplished 98% of most of these wish lists.
Bhima78
Veteran Member
So they could use Microsoft's novel way to curve a conventional sensor. This would allow Panny to create a 15mm f1.0 lens with less elements/cheaper/smaller and sharper than the current F1.7.
petapixel.com
Microsoft Develops a Curved Sensor That Beats the Canon 1DS Mark III
The development of curved image sensors may be the biggest advance in camera technology in decades, allowing for simpler, flatter lenses with larger
petapixel.com
bobn2
Forum Pro
That assumes that the major problem is field curvature, and also the 'using Microsoft's novel way' was feasible commercially and with respect to design and production capability.
WhiteBeard
Veteran Member
Very interesting. Obviously, the curved sensor approach makes a lot of sense even if it needs ironing out. Perhaps within the next 5 years for reliable / affordable applications? The downside of course is that a whole new lens family has to be developed for it...
Bhima78
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Bhima78
Veteran Member
This is why a curved solution would be perfect for a fixed lens camera because it will help to make the camera more compact while also increasing the IQ of the lens in the process.
Also, I'm not sure you could make a zoom lens for a curved sensor, so this would work best with primes anyways. A Fuji X100 competitor from Oly or Panny using a curved sensor with an f1.2 or f1.4 lens design could be very cool.
captura
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You said what I was thinking. The GR II and the extant Coolpix A cameras, so similar and both having APS-C sensors, pretty much fit the bill.
But wait, is Panasonic going to unleash a new Lumix LX200 on Dec 15? And will it also have an APS-C sensor, configured for the multi-aspect ratios with about 16mp vs the LX100's 12.8 mp?
Oh, I must be dreaming.
captura
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Yes, the Coolpix 'A' was initially overpriced and then Ricoh introduced it's similar GR, at a much lower price. So they sold GR's by the thousands and Nikon was much too slow to react. By the time they did, it was too late. The GR had become a cult classic with unbeatable sales momentum. The last of the Nikon A's sold at fire-sale prices of around $300, and that's when I got mine.
So that was bad marketing by Nikon and had nothing to do with the relative quality of the two cameras. In some ways the Nikon was slightly better.
captura
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