Why I'd buy the G9, but never bought the E-M1 MK2

I just waded through this long thread,......

I don't use tripods, ever, so that discussion wasn't of much interest to me.

I use both a G85 and a Sony a77ii, which has a top LCD,....for me, the biggest difference in the two cameras is the top LCD. Unlike those that think it's a waste of space, I find the top LCD very helpful and useful in making sure my camera is set the way I want it. Opening up the back LCD or peeking through the EVF to see my settings, doesn't work well for me. I noted that the G9 top LCD shows the EV, which will save me many blown shots. I often find I've used back lighting for birds in tree shots and forgotten to take it out.
You don't notice it when viewing through the EVF how much EC you have dialed in? Besides, I find the E-M1 MkII superior in aperture or shutter mode to adjust EC by adjusting the front command dial vesus pushing down on a button and adjusting the front command dial.
We're all different, but the first "improvement" I noticed in the G9 over my G85 is the top LCD.

I'm guessing the larger EVF will be a major improvement we will all agree on.

I want one!

Jack
 
You don't notice it when viewing through the EVF how much EC you have dialed in? Besides, I find the E-M1 MkII superior in aperture or shutter mode to adjust EC by adjusting the front command dial vesus pushing down on a button and adjusting the front command dial.
Yes, I usually notice, but not always,.......

Jack

 
Well, it depends on the individual. I only use the rear display occasionally for very low or high shots. I see people using DSLR's holding the camera out and viewing with the rear screen. It must seem natural to people who are used to smartphones.

However, personally I always use the EVF. The rear screen is therefore always set to the info panel so that I can see the camera settings at a glance, without raising the camera to my eye. Therefore the G9 with its LCD top panel is brilliant, for ME. I will be able to have the rear panel turned in and use the top LCD most of the time.

The best thing is that Panasonic have been listening to their customers. That does not mean everyone is happy but at least they are trying to be photographer led rather than just marketing. The fact that Panasonic are also leading the way I feel is a good thing. My guess is that within the next 2 years we will have many other mirrorless cameras using a top LCD display.

Ian
Well, I guess different..

The top LCD started life as a necessity, as the rear panel was for control settings, previews and playback only. Once Rebel et al. without a top LCD, put a control panel on the rear panel, the top LCD was no longer necessary as the features are effectively duplicated, however the top LCD remained a differentiator of the "semi-pro" line.. .. and when touch came to the rear panel, making changes quicker, then the top LCD really was irrelevant.

Now, i came from 15 years of Canon DSLR, and my habits remained constant.. use top LCD , no live view, no control panel, simply previews, settings and playback on the rear panel.. so my primary concern with coming to M43 was the lack of a top LCD....

However, it only took me 10 mins to decide on the SCP as primary display for the Olympus, though admittedly a further couple of days to stop looking for the top lcd.

So, while the top LCD *may* be perceived to provide a soft landing for DSLR owners, the size advantage of the M43 is totally lost with the G9, hence a buying decision from a DSLR user will likely conclude with "why bother" imo.

There is zero doubt in my mind that had the G9 been the only top end choice for M43 bodies I would not have bothered to invest in M43.. size still matters.
 
So, while the top LCD *may* be perceived to provide a soft landing for DSLR owners, the size advantage of the M43 is totally lost with the G9, hence a buying decision from a DSLR user will likely conclude with "why bother" imo.

There is zero doubt in my mind that had the G9 been the only top end choice for M43 bodies I would not have bothered to invest in M43.. size still matters.
I agree with you completely. The G9 looks like a wonderful camera, but my Sony a77ii is lighter, with larger sensor,.........yes, the Sony lenses are somewhat heavier, but still,....

I'd like to have a top LCD for convenience, but the weight of the G9 turns me off. It's significant for my type of shooting, which involves fairly long walks. I think I'll be sticking with the G85, a fine camera,.....and light!

Jack
 
So, while the top LCD *may* be perceived to provide a soft landing for DSLR owners, the size advantage of the M43 is totally lost with the G9, hence a buying decision from a DSLR user will likely conclude with "why bother" imo.

There is zero doubt in my mind that had the G9 been the only top end choice for M43 bodies I would not have bothered to invest in M43.. size still matters.
I sure agree with every word. The G9 looks like a great camera.

However, my photography is usually on long walks. Weight is important. My G85 does a great job.

Jack
 
The Panasonic G9 and the Olympus E-M1 MK2 appear to be quite evenly matched capability-wise. I basically have no brand preference between Olympus and Panasonic, but a big preference for the sensor size and lenses of micro four thirds. For a long time I've been considering to get the E-M1 MK2, but I never pulled the trigger. The G9 appears to fix my greatest issues with the E-M1 MK2, and is as such very desirable to me. Here's why:

1. The tripod thread.

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This is the way a tripod thread should be. Lots of real estate and far away from any doors.

Compare now to the infinitely stupid position of the E-M1 MK2's thread:

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So far forward, any normal tripod plate would stick out way in front. I won't have my camera looking so stupid, and it may even interfere with some big lenses. Also, a standard Manfrotto plate will most likely come into conflict with the battery door (I know the Camdapter Manfrotto plate I'm using would). It's almost like Olympus placed it there so that they can sell more of their own proprietary bottom plate (which BTW is useless to me because it does not support the Manfrotto mount). I never remove my tripod plate from the camera, so in my case the battery door would be permanently blocked.

What more, this placement is double painful for me. I prefer to use a Manfrotto plate made by Camdapter suitable for the Camdapter hand strap, because I hate neck straps like the plague. With Olympus' mount, both my tripod of choice and my strap of choice won't fit, so I will stay away from the E-M1 MK2.

2. The top LCD.

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I know some people say it's not needed due to the back LCD, but I believe it will prove to be extremely valuable. Here's why: Coming from DSLRs, I and many others feel that mirrorless cameras handle like electronic toys. On a DSLR, most buttons need to be pushed and held in while turning a wheel in order to change a setting, eliminating the chance of accidental button presses. On most mirrorless cameras, each button brings up a menu, like on some mobile phone or other electronic device. While the Facebook generation may feel at home with that, any serious photographer used to serious equipment knows it's hopeless to work with, as it promotes accidental changing of settings, is slow and cumbersome (compared to the alternative), and does not provide a fluent user experience. So what does this have to do with the top LCD? Well, anyone who has used a serious DSLR knows that their quick and secure changing of settings is shown primarily on the top LCD, and Panasonic even said they included the top LCD to provide a more DSLR-like user experience. This bodes well for all of us who are sick of the electronic toy handling of many mirrorless cameras.

The top LCD is also excellent for checking settings much more quickly than on the back LCD. I'm currently using a Fujifilm X-T2, and the ability to see the settings of aperture, shutter speed, ISO and exposure compensation right there on the dedicated wheels provides an excellent user experience. I'm always aware of my settings, much more than I've even been with a mirrorless camera. While the G9 doesn't provide the wheels, the top LCD is a good substitute. Just glance down and immediately see the settings of your primary four exposure variables (together with the setting of the PASM dial, which shows what you can actually change). I believe Fuji's dedicated wheels are even better, but the DSLR approach of PASM dial and top LCD is still vastly better than the usual mirrorless menu hell.
The english designers took an easy way out and copied the Nikon DSLRs controls

The on/off switch around the shutter release

The frame advance selector on the dial on the left

The AF joystick and top LCD

Instead of the red swoosh on the grip they went for a red ring

How original
 
1. A custom bottom plate solves the issue, adds more height for a comfortable grip, and is ready for tripod or sling strap (using a small Arca clamp).

2. G9 weighs too much.
 
... seem to be people who are still looking for SLR "feels" in a "stills focused" body.

There is nothing wrong with this, and this thread seems to validify their marketing. The GH5 is one of the most SLR-like mirrorless cameras and it just didn't convince stills shooters because it's so good at video (not because it's a bad stills camera).

It's as if they heard all the forum old guys moaning that "if a camera has video, it's not professional and I don't want it." Or, "I'll never get used to an EVF no matter how good they get." Or, "Mirrorless will never be able to track and then there is the blackout..."

They even gave you that SLR LCD screen to further win you over and buy into the "it's a stills focused camera" idea even though it's also a great video camera.

BTW, I agree with all of this. It does give me the SLR feels and I love it. I'd prefer a reasonably placed tripod socket, huge viewfinder (remembering my Maxxum 7), and top LCD. They make a difference if you value those familiar things.

Cheers, Seth

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When I migrated up to an ILC from an Olympus 5050, I looked at small, low cost DSLRs but rejected them because they felt cheap and poorly made. I didn't like the way they handled.

A salesman in a store showed me a G2, and I instantly liked it, saw no need for a mirror and thought as MILCs matured it would establish its value. I liked the G2 but traded for a G3 for higher resolution because I cropped more at the time. I crop less now, because I prefer to get there with the lens. I traded the G5 for in-camera HDR but didn't enjoy it as much so I traded that for EM-5 which I still use.

I miss the G3, loved the way it felt in my hand and handled. I never had any issue with setting changes or software menus. There are easier, faster methods, but it doesn't prevent me from going back to a G3. Other things are more important to me, in-camera focus stacking, HDR, Hi Rez, for example.

Of all the cameras I held, the G85 feels the most comfortable in my hand. The grip is a perfect fit for me, better for the shape of my hand than the EM1 MKI and MKII. An appealing camera in a number of ways, I have a shelf full of OLY M43 lenses that can't use the innovative AF Panasonic has for their cameras. A shame. Panny may want to make this a differentiator, a reason to go with their version of M43 and stick with it, but it prevents me from considering another Panasonic body because I'm not willing to lose more than half my investment in the OLY 17, 45, and 75 primes, the 14-150 and 40-150 PRO +TC, and 75-300 to replace them with Panasonic lenses.
 
I need one of each, fully articulated and not. Most of the time I like not, but sometimes I miss fully articulated because it makes it easier for some photo opportunities, and like being able to turn it around so the LCD can't be damaged. At times when I use the EVF, I don't see the need to use the LCD. At those times I prefer to protect it.

To bad nobody has devised a way to make one LCD work both ways. What is it about this that makes it impossible?
 
The LCD is very handy when you need the camera over your head, at ground level, at waist level, or anywhere between the two. Camera setting info someplace besides the LCD is helpful for checking/changing settings while you hold or move the LCD on the composition.
 
When I migrated up to an ILC from an Olympus 5050, I looked at small, low cost DSLRs but rejected them because they felt cheap and poorly made. I didn't like the way they handled.

A salesman in a store showed me a G2, and I instantly liked it, saw no need for a mirror and thought as MILCs matured it would establish its value. I liked the G2 but traded for a G3 for higher resolution because I cropped more at the time. I crop less now, because I prefer to get there with the lens. I traded the G5 for in-camera HDR but didn't enjoy it as much so I traded that for EM-5 which I still use.

I miss the G3, loved the way it felt in my hand and handled. I never had any issue with setting changes or software menus. There are easier, faster methods, but it doesn't prevent me from going back to a G3. Other things are more important to me, in-camera focus stacking, HDR, Hi Rez, for example.

Of all the cameras I held, the G85 feels the most comfortable in my hand. The grip is a perfect fit for me, better for the shape of my hand than the EM1 MKI and MKII. An appealing camera in a number of ways, I have a shelf full of OLY M43 lenses that can't use the innovative AF Panasonic has for their cameras. A shame. Panny may want to make this a differentiator, a reason to go with their version of M43 and stick with it, but it prevents me from considering another Panasonic body because I'm not willing to lose more than half my investment in the OLY 17, 45, and 75 primes, the 14-150 and 40-150 PRO +TC, and 75-300 to replace them with Panasonic lenses.
I don't fully understand your last statement as I love using oly lenses on my last 2 Panasonic cameras - gx7 & gx8 - both of which have IBIS which works well with the Olympus lenses.
 
From what I've been reading, the new Panasonic DTD autofocus technology does not work with OLY lenses, not yet even with all Panasonic lenses. Please correct this if it is untrue.
 

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