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Hello
I wanted to email you but your email address isn't in your profile.

How much is a tcon 300 in your country?

My son is coming back to the states next week and I was thinking he could pick one up for me.
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Leo
 
We're in the exact same boat. I can wait. If I'm getting this great image quality and system, I can wait and get more control in the 10D for around the same price the 300D is now.

The again, I might cave in and just go for it. The 300D is still a wonderful camera. I think it will blow away the 828, A1, and any other prosumer camrera out there for me.

Brianos 2.1
theponja said:
or an equivalente model.
I was a film SLR user. I bought one 750 a couple of months ago.
First I get a litle trouble but thanks to the forum and
Casterpillar's tips ;) I very happy with the camera now.

I love the freedom to shoot with the digital, no wait for the lab,
etc. but I miss a lot the SLR. I miss the fast autofocus, the
viewfinder and the "feeling". But I want "control", sadly for me
the 300d is to much "automatic" for my taste. I want control
especially the exposure method and the type of autofocus then I
saving and waiting for lower prices.

Regards
Luis
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jleom said:
Hello
I wanted to email you but your email address isn't in your profile.

How much is a tcon 300 in your country?

My son is coming back to the states next week and I was thinking he
could pick one up for me.
--
Leo
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Hello, Leo. I am from the Philippines. Right now, it's a Saturday and it's 12 noon. The distributor is already closed so I can't ask them if they have it already. Maybe on Monday.

Right now, there is not much that accessories, but the new distributor is a bit aggressive and forward looking so I am sure if not now they will supply these added stuff for Olympus.

I'll get back on you Monday and see what they have with respect to the TCON 300.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
Brianos 2.0 said:
We're in the exact same boat. I can wait. If I'm getting this great
image quality and system, I can wait and get more control in the
10D for around the same price the 300D is now.

The again, I might cave in and just go for it. The 300D is still a
wonderful camera. I think it will blow away the 828, A1, and any
other prosumer camrera out there for me.
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Saw some sample A1 shots. Not good. Not good at all. For a 2/3" sized sensor it was far off in performance. But in fairness, it may not be the final production model. But even if it were, for the same price an APS sized sensor vs 2/3" sized is a no-brainer. But the clincher is, I already know how good the 300D images are. The A1 still has to prove it. I just hope it gets better.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
Here's what they have for now. I don't know if this is not just updated. Check out the underwater housings!

http://www.axisglobal.com/product_list.asp?brand=Olympus&class=Accessories

Sorry no price. They sell only to retailers. But if it is listed, it is a simple matter of asking the retailers how much. Typically, it's about the same as the US price, sometimes it is lower than US price.
jleom said:
Hello
I wanted to email you but your email address isn't in your profile.

How much is a tcon 300 in your country?

My son is coming back to the states next week and I was thinking he
could pick one up for me.
--
Leo
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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
i paid 799 for my UZI......but gosh it sure is tempting.
Delbert said:
My Ebay handle is Boychoirdad. I am going to sell everything
(except the UZI) and get a D rebel and an EOS film body so I can
share lenses accessories. I’ll wait until I have it to sell the
E-10. Two things I’m certain of…eventually DSLR will come down in
price to match their film counterparts, under $500 for a decent
consumer body. And quality will continue to go up. Problem is, I
want one now and I think the D Rebel is a great value in this
arena. I paid almost $800 for my C-3000 almost three years ago.
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Delbert...just hangin around
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Caterpillar said:
In any case, the paradigm really changes a bit. With a changeable
lens system, the lens itself is the center of attention. The body
will change in time, but the lenses remain the same, that is if you
want to get the best out of 6mp or more. With fixed lens system,
you have no choice but to change both lenses body. In 2 years, when
camera bodies hit the U$500 range (I bet the 300D will be selling
for that), owning good lenses will begin to look sensible. It would
be smarter to get a good U$800-1,000 single do-all lens (for those
who really don't like 2-and-above lens kits) and just upgrade the
body through the years.

Well, this is what the 300D has done. It has changed, not just the
pricing of cameras, but how we probably will have to view our dslr
investment.
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Caterpillar, I totally agree with your insight and I am glad there are people of this forum that didn't enter this "Canon is God" vs "Olympus E-1 is sh*t" (or vice versa) psychosis.

I have only one reservation against the changing lens concept. It might be false but who knows. In photography world, things have change considerably since the 70s and 80s. Now the computer hardware logic has entered here. That means, compatibility with legacy hardware can be abandoned far more easily than in the past. Who knows what changes in sensor technology might revert sensor size from aps to a smaller for factor? If special provisions like in camera distortion correction might force a new mount? So, from a long term (more than 5 years) point of view, I am really not sure if the already established lens systems won't be abandoned. Of course, that scepticism doesn't refute the short to mid-term certainty that current Nikon, Canon and (possibly) Olympus (4/3) lens systems will be a good investment.
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Dimitrios
Olympus C-5050 & Minolta Dynax 7xi SLR
 
I'd like to see what else pops up in the next year or so, but I'm not sure I'll be able to stop myself. Pity there is no such thing as an 18-125mm zoom (28-200mm in 35mm equivalent) for the 300d. But 18-55 is not that bad, and a steal at $100.
 
I am thinking about it. I love my UZI, but I want more MP. I recently bought a 1280 Epson printer and I am now able to print larger (13 x 19). I also own a Canon S400 and the pictures look great printed at 13 x 19, but it only has 3x zoom and that is very limiting to me.

I want more zoom with higher MP. I hesitate to purchase the 750Z due to no IS and poor low light focus issues, plus I am not crazy about the Xd cards.

The lens choices and expense is my biggest obstacle with a DSLR. I wonder if the 300D with the consumer EF 75-300 f4.0-5.56 IS lens would give as good of quality of photos as my UZI. From what I read on the Canon forum many seem dissatisfied with the quality of that lens on their 10D. Does this lens not take as good of pictures as an UZI? Many seem to choose the EF 70-200mm f4 L (non IS lens). The IS lens cost around $400 and the non-IS is around $550. I could handle the cost of either of those lenses, but I wonder if I will be as happy with the photo quality as I am with my UZI. I certainly can't justify $1500+ for a pro quality IS lens.

Someone explained to me on the Canon forum:

You need to think about ISO. The UZI needs to use 100 ISO so being able to use ISO 800 in effect gives you three stops. So apples to oranges (or IS to ISO) means for comparable use you may not need the IS since you can simply dial up the ISO in order to get a slower shutter.

Just not sure I am ready to go the DSLR route. If one of the 2 lenses listed above would give me the zoom reach and quality in hand held shots that I am use to with my UZI, then I would seriously consider it. I wish there was a 4MP+ UZI available, then my life would be much simpler.
Caterpillar said:
With the 300D review or previews out from Phil, DCR, and IR, and
with dozens of sample images already posted as to the image quality
and lens performance of the standard kit, anybody in this forum
seriously thinking of getting one?

Two years ago, I paid over U$800 for my DC-4800 (with 128mb CF) and
I spent another U$150 for batteries and an external flash. Now you
can get a 6.3mp dslr for slightly over than that with the same
range as my old dc-4800.

What I found appealing, to my surprise just a few hours ago, was
the 300D was just a tad smaller than the Pentax *ist D! And it is
as light. This means that the 300D is not a burden to carry at all.

Of course I am looking at it seriously not just because of its size
and weight, but it's image quality is really very good at ISOs 400
and will pass the 4R or 5R (5 x 7) prints at ISO 800. Even at ISO
1600, some of the images can still be cleaned up to be passable as
ISO 800 quality. And for U$999 (It is U$1,100 in our country but
that is with VAT already), it is really mighty tempting.

No, I am not trolling here. You guys know my postings as I have
been in here for about 4 months or more already. I just want to
know how the OTF feels about the 300D. It is hard to ignore this
product and will have an impact on us all. Besides, it will
complement or make up for the weaknessess of my c-750. This was why
I said, "thinking," not "switching" to the 300D.

And I am keeping my c-750, with all its limitations! It's still the
most portable to me and it's 10x zoom is a big, big plus. And
because its "pogi" points (that's "handsome" in english) outweighs
it's weak points by a large margin.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
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Olympus are you out there listening?????? or I should say reading.
Brooks said:
I want more zoom with higher MP. I hesitate to purchase the 750Z
due to no IS and poor low light focus issues, plus I am not crazy
about the Xd cards.

The lens choices and expense is my biggest obstacle with a DSLR. I
wonder if the 300D with the consumer EF 75-300 f4.0-5.56 IS lens
would give as good of quality of photos as my UZI. From what I read
on the Canon forum many seem dissatisfied with the quality of that
lens on their 10D. Does this lens not take as good of pictures as
an UZI? Many seem to choose the EF 70-200mm f4 L (non IS lens). The
IS lens cost around $400 and the non-IS is around $550. I could
handle the cost of either of those lenses, but I wonder if I will
be as happy with the photo quality as I am with my UZI. I certainly
can't justify $1500+ for a pro quality IS lens.

Someone explained to me on the Canon forum:
You need to think about ISO. The UZI needs to use 100 ISO so being
able to use ISO 800 in effect gives you three stops. So apples to
oranges (or IS to ISO) means for comparable use you may not need
the IS since you can simply dial up the ISO in order to get a
slower shutter.

Just not sure I am ready to go the DSLR route. If one of the 2
lenses listed above would give me the zoom reach and quality in
hand held shots that I am use to with my UZI, then I would
seriously consider it. I wish there was a 4MP+ UZI available, then
my life would be much simpler.
Caterpillar said:
With the 300D review or previews out from Phil, DCR, and IR, and
with dozens of sample images already posted as to the image quality
and lens performance of the standard kit, anybody in this forum
seriously thinking of getting one?

Two years ago, I paid over U$800 for my DC-4800 (with 128mb CF) and
I spent another U$150 for batteries and an external flash. Now you
can get a 6.3mp dslr for slightly over than that with the same
range as my old dc-4800.

What I found appealing, to my surprise just a few hours ago, was
the 300D was just a tad smaller than the Pentax *ist D! And it is
as light. This means that the 300D is not a burden to carry at all.

Of course I am looking at it seriously not just because of its size
and weight, but it's image quality is really very good at ISOs 400
and will pass the 4R or 5R (5 x 7) prints at ISO 800. Even at ISO
1600, some of the images can still be cleaned up to be passable as
ISO 800 quality. And for U$999 (It is U$1,100 in our country but
that is with VAT already), it is really mighty tempting.

No, I am not trolling here. You guys know my postings as I have
been in here for about 4 months or more already. I just want to
know how the OTF feels about the 300D. It is hard to ignore this
product and will have an impact on us all. Besides, it will
complement or make up for the weaknessess of my c-750. This was why
I said, "thinking," not "switching" to the 300D.

And I am keeping my c-750, with all its limitations! It's still the
most portable to me and it's 10x zoom is a big, big plus. And
because its "pogi" points (that's "handsome" in english) outweighs
it's weak points by a large margin.

---------------------
  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
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--
JennZ
http://www.littleflurry.com
http://www.pbase.com/littleflurry
'me photo happy person'
 
Hello, Brooks,
Brooks said:
I am thinking about it. I love my UZI, but I want more MP. I
recently bought a 1280 Epson printer and I am now able to print
larger (13 x 19). I also own a Canon S400 and the pictures look
great printed at 13 x 19, but it only has 3x zoom and that is very
limiting to me.

I want more zoom with higher MP. I hesitate to purchase the 750Z
due to no IS and poor low light focus issues, plus I am not crazy
about the Xd cards.
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I have managed to create workarounds to the c-750s low light AF. It is not a big thing to me anymore. But to solve the AF-shutter lag is the 300D strongest reason to get it (assuming the price difference is not an obstacle).

This is one sore area that workarounds will not be able to address it adequately.
Member said:
The lens choices and expense is my biggest obstacle with a DSLR. I
wonder if the 300D with the consumer EF 75-300 f4.0-5.56 IS lens
would give as good of quality of photos as my UZI. From what I read
on the Canon forum many seem dissatisfied with the quality of that
lens on their 10D.
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The ef 75-300 is a good lens. It is above average compared to the others. Of course it is not an "L" lens, but I think this will do well. Adam-T has good words for this lens. For its price, and features, it is all right. I believe it is receiving a bad press because they tend to compare it to better ones, and of course, it will pale in comparison.
Member said:
Does this lens not take as good of pictures as
an UZI? Many seem to choose the EF 70-200mm f4 L (non IS lens). The
IS lens cost around $400 and the non-IS is around $550.
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Now, you're cooking! This is a good lens, no arguments there from anybody.
Member said:
I could
handle the cost of either of those lenses, but I wonder if I will
be as happy with the photo quality as I am with my UZI. I certainly
can't justify $1500+ for a pro quality IS lens.
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I think you would be happy with the 70-200 L lens. Just a reminder: even with L lenses, your pictures will still be soft. You need to know how to post process them in PS to bring out the zing that is a trademark of the P&S or prosumer models.
Member said:
Someone explained to me on the Canon forum:
You need to think about ISO. The UZI needs to use 100 ISO so being
able to use ISO 800 in effect gives you three stops. So apples to
oranges (or IS to ISO) means for comparable use you may not need
the IS since you can simply dial up the ISO in order to get a
slower shutter.
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I've been downloading sample pics from D30 (a 3.1mp) and have been testing how their ISO 800 or 1600 can be tweaked further in PS. I noticed that in spite of these high ISOs, there is much latitude to work and remove noise and improve the image. On average, an ISO 400 in a dslr is like an ISO 80-100 in a P&S'. This is in terms of noise and/or quality. You really can expect more in a dslr at higher ISOs. Just take a look at the ISO 800 in Phil's 300D preview.
Member said:
Just not sure I am ready to go the DSLR route. If one of the 2
lenses listed above would give me the zoom reach and quality in
hand held shots that I am use to with my UZI, then I would
seriously consider it. I wish there was a 4MP+ UZI available, then
my life would be much simpler.
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I think your expectations will be met with the 300D. You just have to live with no LCD/EV, a need to post process, and a slightly bulkier frame. But picture-wise, you won't be disappointed. The real issue is cost.

And if they did make a 4mp UZI 2-3 years ago, you'd probably sell your car or something to get it. It would probably cost U$3,000 then! :-)
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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
I've seen the 10D as low as $1050. Even if it isn't a reputable dealer, I was thinking one could price match that price elsewhere. Sometimes Dell has some nice discounts as well.

I'm thinking more along the lines now of getting a 10D around spring time. Should be a very good price by then. There could be a 20D or something by then, which would drop prices further.

Or if they upgrade the firmware on the 300D, I will maybe get that.

Brian
theponja said:
or an equivalente model.
I was a film SLR user. I bought one 750 a couple of months ago.
First I get a litle trouble but thanks to the forum and
Casterpillar's tips ;) I very happy with the camera now.

I love the freedom to shoot with the digital, no wait for the lab,
etc. but I miss a lot the SLR. I miss the fast autofocus, the
viewfinder and the "feeling". But I want "control", sadly for me
the 300d is to much "automatic" for my taste. I want control
especially the exposure method and the type of autofocus then I
saving and waiting for lower prices.

Regards
Luis
Click to expand...
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'THE Graphic design directory'.... http://adigitaldreamer.com
-------------------------------------
http://www.skulpt.com
 
The lens on the UZI is a good one, but I'm pretty sure you'll get more out of a 75-300IS. I've looked at that one, and it seems pretty good.

And then there's the 70-200L non IS, which would blow any consumer/prosumer lens away. There's no IS, but like you said, you can use ISOs to your advantage. You could even bump up to ISO 800, and have the same amount of noise as the UZI. Keep in mind that the noise pixels will be smaller because of more MP as well, so looking at 100% crops isn't even accurate.

I'm personally probably going to get a 200 2.8L, which has wonderful brightness and has sharpness throughout. It's fixed to 200mm (320mm), but by adding a 2X canon teleconverter, you can get 650mm (remember the 1.6X factor), and at 6mps at F5.6. Not bad. : ) I take the kinds of telephoto shots where I don;t use the short end of the zoom, so a fixed lens is better for me. And they are sharper than similar priced zoom lenses. Oh, and it's around $600, which is fine considering I'm going to be able to add this to any Canon SLR DSLR for years to come. With non DSLRs, you're throwing away the lens each time you buy a new camera. : )

Brian
Brooks said:
I want more zoom with higher MP. I hesitate to purchase the 750Z
due to no IS and poor low light focus issues, plus I am not crazy
about the Xd cards.

The lens choices and expense is my biggest obstacle with a DSLR. I
wonder if the 300D with the consumer EF 75-300 f4.0-5.56 IS lens
would give as good of quality of photos as my UZI. From what I read
on the Canon forum many seem dissatisfied with the quality of that
lens on their 10D. Does this lens not take as good of pictures as
an UZI? Many seem to choose the EF 70-200mm f4 L (non IS lens). The
IS lens cost around $400 and the non-IS is around $550. I could
handle the cost of either of those lenses, but I wonder if I will
be as happy with the photo quality as I am with my UZI. I certainly
can't justify $1500+ for a pro quality IS lens.

Someone explained to me on the Canon forum:
You need to think about ISO. The UZI needs to use 100 ISO so being
able to use ISO 800 in effect gives you three stops. So apples to
oranges (or IS to ISO) means for comparable use you may not need
the IS since you can simply dial up the ISO in order to get a
slower shutter.

Just not sure I am ready to go the DSLR route. If one of the 2
lenses listed above would give me the zoom reach and quality in
hand held shots that I am use to with my UZI, then I would
seriously consider it. I wish there was a 4MP+ UZI available, then
my life would be much simpler.
Caterpillar said:
With the 300D review or previews out from Phil, DCR, and IR, and
with dozens of sample images already posted as to the image quality
and lens performance of the standard kit, anybody in this forum
seriously thinking of getting one?

Two years ago, I paid over U$800 for my DC-4800 (with 128mb CF) and
I spent another U$150 for batteries and an external flash. Now you
can get a 6.3mp dslr for slightly over than that with the same
range as my old dc-4800.

What I found appealing, to my surprise just a few hours ago, was
the 300D was just a tad smaller than the Pentax *ist D! And it is
as light. This means that the 300D is not a burden to carry at all.

Of course I am looking at it seriously not just because of its size
and weight, but it's image quality is really very good at ISOs 400
and will pass the 4R or 5R (5 x 7) prints at ISO 800. Even at ISO
1600, some of the images can still be cleaned up to be passable as
ISO 800 quality. And for U$999 (It is U$1,100 in our country but
that is with VAT already), it is really mighty tempting.

No, I am not trolling here. You guys know my postings as I have
been in here for about 4 months or more already. I just want to
know how the OTF feels about the 300D. It is hard to ignore this
product and will have an impact on us all. Besides, it will
complement or make up for the weaknessess of my c-750. This was why
I said, "thinking," not "switching" to the 300D.

And I am keeping my c-750, with all its limitations! It's still the
most portable to me and it's 10x zoom is a big, big plus. And
because its "pogi" points (that's "handsome" in english) outweighs
it's weak points by a large margin.

---------------------
  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
The Hunger Site: http://www.thehungersite.com

'THE Graphic design directory'.... http://adigitaldreamer.com
-------------------------------------
http://www.skulpt.com
 
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