Worm Artifacts Now Gone in new Adobe Camera Raw

Benjamin Kanarek · Nov 30, 2017

I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version. In fact, I actually sharpened in ACR which I earlier avoided finding that those ungainly remnants are none existent.

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mmurphyj11 · Nov 30, 2017

I'm not sure this picture would show wormy artifacts if they were still there though.

scst48 · Nov 30, 2017

Thanks for the update. I figured this a few weeks ago using the new version. I am very pleased how good LR handles the Fuji RAW files now.

Jerry-astro · Nov 30, 2017

Benjamin Kanarek said:
I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version. In fact, I actually sharpened in ACR which I earlier avoided finding that those ungainly remnants are none existent.

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Ben, I sure hope you're right on this one. I know you're a busy guy, but I have the feeling that this post could be the logical equivalent of tossing a live grenade into a barrel. If you have a bit of time to spare and could post a good side-by-side example, it would be helpful in illustrating the difference between the versions. Not sure this example is the best one for illustrating the problem.

Perhaps if you could find a previously processed image (at full res) that clearly displays the issue and then post a side-by-side before and after example that our cadre of pixel peepers (myself included) here could look at, it would be most helpful.

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Bobo Hodls · Nov 30, 2017

Benjamin Kanarek said:
I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version. In fact, I actually sharpened in ACR which I earlier avoided finding that those ungainly remnants are none existent.

I'm pleased to announce your proclamation to be premature [g].

ACR/LR has improved in this regard, and with the X-Trans III sensor foliage worming is less prevalent, but it still can be introduced while developing if not watching out for it (or with certain NR & Sharpening settings for JPGs OOC).

RAD · Nov 30, 2017

Demosaicing changes to ACR/Lr are required for Adobe to deal well with Fuji X-Trans III. The sharpening algorithms were/are just fine.

I'm sticking with Iridient for getting the best results out of my X-T2 until someone shows me evidence that Adobe can match it.

FWIW I round trip from Lr to Iridient X-Transformer in my workflow.

Homo erectus · Nov 30, 2017

That picture wouldn't have worms no matter how you processed it.

Go take a picture of the natural world, something with trees, rocks, hills, plants, foliage, and then we will see if the Adobe worms are gone

There's a post on this forum claiming the worms are gone at least once a month. Adobes worms are remarkably resilient!

Lettermanian · Nov 30, 2017

Here we go...

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maxxxx · Nov 30, 2017

Benjamin Kanarek said:
I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version. In fact, I actually sharpened in ACR which I earlier avoided finding that those ungainly remnants are none existent.

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This is not a good example. Go outside and take a picture with bushes and trees and see if the worms are gone.

JS Burnie · Nov 30, 2017

Benjamin Kanarek said:
I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version.

Did Adobe release a new version today? Cause the problem was still there yesterday.

SVJIM · Nov 30, 2017

Bob Tullis said:
(or with certain NR & Sharpening settings for JPGs OOC).

thxbb12 · Nov 30, 2017

maxxxx said:
Benjamin Kanarek said:

I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version. In fact, I actually sharpened in ACR which I earlier avoided finding that those ungainly remnants are none existent.

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Click to expand...

This is not a good example. Go outside and take a picture with bushes and trees and see if the worms are gone.

100% agreed.

Given this picture's subject and lack of texture, it wouldn't show regardless of the RAW converter.

Shoot trees, bushes and foliage and come back here with a side by side comparison with an earlier version of ACR.

Until then, this proves nothing.

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Bobo Hodls · Nov 30, 2017

SVJIM said:
Bob Tullis said:

(or with certain NR & Sharpening settings for JPGs OOC).

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Would you please explain why you included OOC JPGs in this post. I don't understand how processing an existing JPG with camera RAW introduces worms. If it is doing that for a fuji x jpeg, then it should be doing it for all the other camera jpegs?

Worms can be produced with OOC JPGs with certain in-camera settings in effect, or worm-like tendencies can be exacerbated when editing JPGs in post. Maybe I'm conflating worms with other similar developing effects to some degree. (I first encountered worms with a 5D and Adobe ACR, seen a few variations of that with different hardware through the years).

Yea, I shouldn't have bothered to go there.

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MrFresno · Dec 3, 2017

This same baseless claim is made every time Adobe releases an update. Literally, EVERY time.

Ysarex · Dec 3, 2017

Benjamin Kanarek said:
I am pleased to announce that the Worm Artifacts that so many complained of in ACR are now totally gone in their newest version. In fact, I actually sharpened in ACR which I earlier avoided finding that those ungainly remnants are none existent.

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Seriously and sincerely doubt that, but you could convince me by processing this RAF file from an X-T2:

_DSF0648.RAF

Christof21 · Dec 3, 2017

Randy Benter said:
This same baseless claim is made every time Adobe releases an update. Literally, EVERY time.

eric333 · Dec 3, 2017

It seems the best way of getting rid of the worms in Adobe is to get rid of Adobe.

baobob · Dec 3, 2017

Not excatly not completely see below

Left pure ACR right RT5.3

Yes ACR has tremendously progressed over the last few years

The difference will appear after A3 or by cropping

This is my test photo for foliage

If you increase sharpening on both then the difference begins to be higher

ACr has reached halfway in the ford..

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baobob · Dec 3, 2017

See my last post

Provided you do not sharpen too much the progress is really there

You start to get into ytrouble when you do need to have quite a strong sharpening, where RT5 is much more robust

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