My E-M5 III requirements

Thanks for the feedback...there seems to be a definite consensus that the camera I want will not be happening in time for my trip, if at all, which is disappointing.

So it will probably be the Nikon that accompanies me, and it is not out of spite.
The IQ and the grip and handling are superior to the E-M5II, and the weight is about the same.
OTOH, the Oly has a much better viewfinder, more features and controls, and the camera/lens combo is less bulky. The Oly IBIS is kind of a wash for this comparison, because the Nikon has better high ISO performance and the lenses have their own IS.
I guess the E-M1 II would probably bridge that gap, but its too full of whizz-bang features that I don’t need and can’t afford.
I don't believe you answered why you need C-AF for this trip, and hence favour the Nikon, but C-AF is one of the features the E-M1ii gains.
 
Why? The D5500 has a better sensor and CAF, but, IMO, the E-M5ii crushes it in every other way as a travel camera. To me, IBIS in combination with a fast prime is a wonderful tool in many indoor situations.
Exactly. Who needs C-AF on their "travel" camera as a drop dead requirement? if you don't want to carry the E-M5mkII around because it doesn't have a giant grip, or awesome C-AF, or 20mp, or..... then what did you even buy it for?
 
Why? The D5500 has a better sensor and CAF, but, IMO, the E-M5ii crushes it in every other way as a travel camera. To me, IBIS in combination with a fast prime is a wonderful tool in many indoor situations.
Exactly. Who needs C-AF on their "travel" camera as a drop dead requirement? if you don't want to carry the E-M5mkII around because it doesn't have a giant grip, or awesome C-AF, or 20mp, or..... then what did you even buy it for?
 
I am thinking about what camera to take on my mid-winter jetaway to southern Europe.

My preference would be an E-M5 III that has my required features, which are:
  • 20 Mpx
Pretty much a given
  • A proper grip, i.e. like an E-M1 or G85
I doubt that it will have the pronounced grip of the E-M1, but any advance in 'gripability' would be welcome.
  • C-AF that actually works
I think the E-M5 series is meant to serve a different set of use-cases to the E-M1 series, so I'm ambivalent about this. If for no other reason, I suspect Olympus will restrict the best AF functionality to the E-M1 series as a strong point of model differentiation.
  • Price under CDN$1500 (US$1200)
Bound to launch in Australia for close to AUD$2k.
  • In stores before Jan 31
It's late November and there aren't even any rumours about a MkIII, so that's not going to happen.
In the absence of any one of these, I will pass on the E-M5 III, leave my E-M5 II at home, and take the D5500 on the trip instead.
You do that.
If anybody has any insights, predictions etc. about the E-M5 III, I would be interested in hearing them.
No insights or predictions, but some further 'wants':
  • Base ISO of 100 (or better). Happy to sacrifice a stop of performance at high ISOs if that's what it takes.
  • 4 million dot EVF.
  • 4-shot option for the sensor-shift feature. That's shot 1, then 1px across, 1 down and 1 back, for full colour information at each site. Output to be native-resolution 'raw' (de-bayered RGB).
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... neither no bigger nor heavier than it is right now.

Otherwise with the other big huge heavy cameras both Olympus and Panasonic are putting out, m43 will no longer makes any sense for me. I don't see the point of a smaller sensor and a big heavy camera.
 
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I am thinking about what camera to take on my mid-winter jetaway to southern Europe.

My preference would be an E-M5 III that has my required features, which are:
  • 20 Mpx
Very good chance. Also could be a totally new sensor. If rumors are correct they were also testing an Olympus design 16 MP BSI and stacked sensor with a global shutter.
That would be an Olympus specified and Sony designed and produced. The ability to design and build a sensor like that in production quantities doesn't just pop up from nowhere. Sony spent big money to get that capability. No-one else makes a stacked sensor that size, so if it has those specs, it'll be a Sony through and through. Samsung could maybe do it, hard to think of anyone else.
We could see this sensor in the new mid-level OMD camera. It could bring some very new capabilities to the camera.
All sorts of fictional things could do that.
  • A proper grip, i.e. like an E-M1 or G85
I would also love to see the E-M1 Mkii battery in the camera and the only way I see that it could fit is to make a "proper" sized grip.
  • C-AF that actually works
They should either get on-sensor PD-AF or improve CD-AF. With faster sensor readout and better processing power C-AF performance should improve. C-AF in the E-M1.2 really is very good. C-AF with tracking in the E-M1.2 could be better.
  • Price under CDN$1500 (US$1200)
With the performance improvement you want I see the camera priced a little higher. Maybe $1,400-$1,500 USD.
  • In stores before Jan 31
With no rumors I would not expect the camera to be out until mid-2018. It might be the camera they will announce at Photokina in the fall of 2018.
In the absence of any one of these, I will pass on the E-M5 III, leave my E-M5 II at home, and take the D5500 on the trip instead.

If anybody has any insights, predictions etc. about the E-M5 III, I would be interested in hearing them.
 
A grip that is slightly larger should improve ergonomics and get a larger battery. Just as long as it don't stick out from the camera body farther than the thinnest pancake lens it wouldn't effect the picketability of the camera.
 
A grip that is slightly larger should improve ergonomics and get a larger battery. Just as long as it don't stick out from the camera body farther than the thinnest pancake lens it wouldn't effect the picketability of the camera.
 
The single most important requirement to me is a sensor with more DR than currently available in M43.

The second most important one is a tilting screen. Everything else should be good enough already.
 
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Long ago the fully articulated screen was in such a hi demand that finally Olympus did it... Now I see the demand for a "proper" grip all around... This is a very bad dream....

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There was demand, but i also heard many who were against it, probably close to 50% of people. So, the bad dream for Olympus really started a long time ago, ever since this abomination first appeared in an Olympus OMD, the Em5 II.
 
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It seems like the only criteria which rules out the E-M5ii is C-AF (since you can add a grip to it), so I am curious why you need C-AF for a trip to Europe? I've never actually tried C-AF, as I don't have a need for it, except maybe the very occasional video.

(although I did use a GH4+12-35 for video at work last week, and was not that impressed - it didn't seem any better than my E-M5ii for video with C-AF).
 
  • A proper grip, i.e. like an E-M1 or G85
  • C-AF that actually works
Dear Olympus,

Please don't put a largish grip on the EM5 III. I don't want a large camera that I can't fit into my jacket pocket. If there are people who need a large grip for the EM5 III, then please direct those people to buy any of the existing add-ons grips.

I will not buy the EM5 III if the camera has a largish DSLR style grip.

While improved C-AF would be a nice feature that I could mark on a checklist, and talk about on online forums, I never actually use C-AF. I don't take pictures of birds, or people approaching me at high speeds on bicycles.

Thank you
Olympus has the EM10 which sounds like it suits you better. Smaller and it doesn't improve on CAF.
 
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