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No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.

You look at Fuji for example, they came out with the X-T20 and X-Pro 2, and then almost immediately spread those innovations throughout their camera lineup. There are a lot of Sony bodies in serious need of a refresh.... and the A7RII was not one of them.
 
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.
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A7RII street price at the moment is not much higher than A7II was when it came out. There's your A7II upgrade: better AF, better high ISO, Eye AF with AF-C, improved IBIS, silent shutter...
 
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.

You look at Fuji for example, they came out with the X-T20 and X-Pro 2, and then almost immediately spread those innovations throughout their camera lineup. There are a lot of Sony bodies in serious need of a refresh.... and the A7RII was not one of them.
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from your posting I purely rad pricing concerns.

What about a used mint condition A7RM2 and you have your A7M3 and even better.
 
tn1krr said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.
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A7RII street price at the moment is not much higher than A7II was when it came out. There's your A7II upgrade: better AF, better high ISO, Eye AF with AF-C, improved IBIS, silent shutter...
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100 % agreed!
 
SilvanBromide said:
DoctorKajita said:
terryreid said:
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terryreid said:
I get a kick out of the posters who knock everything, "I'm not buying the A9 because... or I'm not buying the A7RIII because..." These are the same complainers who whine about how large the files are from 42MP. Many of these negativity folk cannot afford the camera in the first place or just like to complain.

The number of improvements to this already ground breaking camera is nothing short of amazing. I was hoping for 8 FPS and near A9 like AF and Sony not only surpassed my hopes but exceeded them and added a bunch of other nicities that will aid in achieving better images. Basically they improved about every shortcoming the camera had. For the roughly $1,500 it cost to upgrade your A7RII to the III it's a no brainer and very exciting upgrade.

I have watched a lot of videos on the A7RIII but this one even though it is from a Sony person probaby sums the improvements up more concisely than most.

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tn1krr said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.
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A7RII street price at the moment is not much higher than A7II was when it came out. There's your A7II upgrade: better AF, better high ISO, Eye AF with AF-C, improved IBIS, silent shutter...
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I just have apprehension about working with 42MP. For example, I do a lot of shooting off my phone to post to social media. Downsizing to 2MP seems to compress and kill IQ, even for viewing on a phone, so I go full size. 42MP files will be a bit of a PITA. I guess I can figure something out. But it's really that file size that's a PITA for me. I will have to get bigger drives for my home server and do some other things I don't want to right now.

An A7M3 with the current gen AF, 4K, bigger battery, better buffer etc would be a better upgrade for me.

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joger said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.

You look at Fuji for example, they came out with the X-T20 and X-Pro 2, and then almost immediately spread those innovations throughout their camera lineup. There are a lot of Sony bodies in serious need of a refresh.... and the A7RII was not one of them.
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from your posting I purely rad pricing concerns.

What about a used mint condition A7RM2 and you have your A7M3 and even better.
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sportyaccordy said:
tn1krr said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.
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A7RII street price at the moment is not much higher than A7II was when it came out. There's your A7II upgrade: better AF, better high ISO, Eye AF with AF-C, improved IBIS, silent shutter...
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I just have apprehension about working with 42MP. For example, I do a lot of shooting off my phone to post to social media. Downsizing to 2MP seems to compress and kill IQ,
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downsampling in terms of frame size improves p.q.

jpeg compression can indeed be hard on p.q., if it's pushed too hard.
sportyaccordy said:
even for viewing on a phone, so I go full size. 42MP files will be a bit of a PITA. I guess I can figure something out. But it's really that file size that's a PITA for me. I will have to get bigger drives for my home server and do some other things I don't want to right now.
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hard drives are dirt cheap these days.

just shoot compressed jpeg, for those situations where space matters more than p.q.

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Sugasmune said:
Because it's not in stock. Maybe i take the SD Quattro H for the winter. We have only 2 hours of daylight, so no danger to blow highlights.
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I haven't had problems with blown highlights on the sdQH. I do shoot raw files and process them to TIF files in Sigma's file converter, which is slow.

But I don't think there would be less risk of blown highlights in winter. The light can be very contrasty when the sun shines.

It's a good camera if you can live with an upper ISO limit of 400, or at most 800. A bit higher in B&W. Much like film, really.
 
osv said:
sportyaccordy said:
tn1krr said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.
Click to expand...
A7RII street price at the moment is not much higher than A7II was when it came out. There's your A7II upgrade: better AF, better high ISO, Eye AF with AF-C, improved IBIS, silent shutter...
Click to expand...
I just have apprehension about working with 42MP. For example, I do a lot of shooting off my phone to post to social media. Downsizing to 2MP seems to compress and kill IQ,
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downsampling in terms of frame size improves p.q.

jpeg compression can indeed be hard on p.q., if it's pushed too hard.
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More PP steps... no thanks.
osv said:
osv said:
even for viewing on a phone, so I go full size. 42MP files will be a bit of a PITA. I guess I can figure something out. But it's really that file size that's a PITA for me. I will have to get bigger drives for my home server and do some other things I don't want to right now.
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hard drives are dirt cheap these days.

just shoot compressed jpeg, for those situations where space matters more than p.q.
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Terry, you are looking at this from only your POV / needs.

If I look at having the A7rii only for landscapes what improvements are there on the A7riii that make it worth upgrading???

Questionable claim of more DR ?

Possibly being able to use pixel shift depending on conditions ?

Touch screen focus? Fine that may be helpful but is rather minor.

My menu feature: Again helpful, but minor.

Better battery life? ; fine but I already own a bunch of spares so never complain about that.

Basically they addressed other issues and definitely improved on them so not mad at Sony for doing so ; but as an A7rii owner for landscape usage I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade and did watch a Nikon D850 come out which has superior specs for this purpose.
 
mreynolds767 said:
Terry, you are looking at this from only your POV / needs.

If I look at having the A7rii only for landscapes what improvements are there on the A7riii that make it worth upgrading???

Questionable claim of more DR ?

Possibly being able to use pixel shift depending on conditions ?

Touch screen focus? Fine that may be helpful but is rather minor.

My menu feature: Again helpful, but minor.

Better battery life? ; fine but I already own a bunch of spares so never complain about that.

Basically they addressed other issues and definitely improved on them so not mad at Sony for doing so ; but as an A7rii owner for landscape usage I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade and did watch a Nikon D850 come out which has superior specs for this purpose.
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mreynolds767 said:
Terry, you are looking at this from only your POV / needs.

If I look at having the A7rii only for landscapes what improvements are there on the A7riii that make it worth upgrading???

Questionable claim of more DR ?

Possibly being able to use pixel shift depending on conditions ?

Touch screen focus? Fine that may be helpful but is rather minor.

My menu feature: Again helpful, but minor.

Better battery life? ; fine but I already own a bunch of spares so never complain about that.

Basically they addressed other issues and definitely improved on them so not mad at Sony for doing so ; but as an A7rii owner for landscape usage I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade and did watch a Nikon D850 come out which has superior specs for this purpose.

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Exactly what I think in my situation as A7r II is mainly for traveling and landscape while I have A9 as 2nd camera in trips as usually I carry two cameras. So not a big deal for me to upgrade but will consider down to the road if there is deal available or Sony offers trade-in program (doubt) that costs no more than net $1200 to switch. Otherwise will use my 10 month old A7r II for two years and upgrade to future A9r that I believe Sony will have such model - stacked sensor with 60mp or more and lots of other new features.

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PWPhotography said:
mreynolds767 said:
Terry, you are looking at this from only your POV / needs.

If I look at having the A7rii only for landscapes what improvements are there on the A7riii that make it worth upgrading???

Questionable claim of more DR ?

Possibly being able to use pixel shift depending on conditions ?

Touch screen focus? Fine that may be helpful but is rather minor.

My menu feature: Again helpful, but minor.

Better battery life? ; fine but I already own a bunch of spares so never complain about that.

Basically they addressed other issues and definitely improved on them so not mad at Sony for doing so ; but as an A7rii owner for landscape usage I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade and did watch a Nikon D850 come out which has superior specs for this purpose.
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If a higher MP camera is coming, it's gonna have a smedium format sensor. I think Sony is itching to get into that market, and can bring a lot of great ideas to it. There is already talk of a 100MP 44x33 sensor. That would have to be the next step.

As is I think Sony's camera lineup is a bit sloppy, with a few bleeding edge cameras carrying some others sorely in need of an update. If I could buy something that averaged between the A7II and A9 I would in a heartbeat, but no such camera exists. I think it's about time to consolidate.
 
sportyaccordy said:
If a higher MP camera is coming, it's gonna have a smedium format sensor. I think Sony is itching to get into that market, and can bring a lot of great ideas to it. There is already talk of a 100MP 44x33 sensor. That would have to be the next step.
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Personally I have no interest in MF cameras. What Sony can do is to lower native ISO also to 64 even 50 while still keep and further lower read noise so it could have even better base ISO DR than D850 at ISO 64, that is what I am looking for in future A9r, also a bit higher amount of pixels, at least 7 fps and similar buffer depth as in A7r III, lossless compressed RAW format, better implementation of pixel-shift.
sportyaccordy said:
As is I think Sony's camera lineup is a bit sloppy, with a few bleeding edge cameras carrying some others sorely in need of an update. If I could buy something that averaged between the A7II and A9 I would in a heartbeat, but no such camera exists. I think it's about time to consolidate.
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That is something in forthcoming A7 III that should be announced in Q1 next year.
sportyaccordy said:
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lovehifi said:
I agree kudos to Sony and for making something good better. Can't wait for my A7RIII! However here you are whining and complaining about those that you perceive to be whining and complaining. "How dare they not think as I do!" How dare them for not sharing the same opinions, needs, wants and concerns as I do!" "It must be that they just can't afford it!" C'mon, really? Unreal. Maybe not enough coffee? Maybe too much?
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+1... anyone that thinks someone doesn't buy a camera primarily because they can't afford it is just unintentionally revealing their poor decision making process when buying a camera. While I have no clue what the OP can "afford" (every person here probably has a different definition of afford anyway), it seems far more likely that someone posting emotional threads about how great an electronic device is might spend money they don't have (or that they have but maybe shouldn't have spent on a camera).
 
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sportyaccordy said:
osv said:
sportyaccordy said:
tn1krr said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.
Click to expand...
A7RII street price at the moment is not much higher than A7II was when it came out. There's your A7II upgrade: better AF, better high ISO, Eye AF with AF-C, improved IBIS, silent shutter...
Click to expand...
I just have apprehension about working with 42MP. For example, I do a lot of shooting off my phone to post to social media. Downsizing to 2MP seems to compress and kill IQ,
Click to expand...
downsampling in terms of frame size improves p.q.

jpeg compression can indeed be hard on p.q., if it's pushed too hard.
Click to expand...
More PP steps... no thanks.
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the camera does the pp when it creates the jpegs.

worst case, you can shoot jpeg-only, in crop mode, for a small frame size... then control the file size of the jpegs by changing the jpeg compression level... fine, x-fine, etc.

you'd still have the full 42mp raw capability, for when you need it.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
even for viewing on a phone, so I go full size. 42MP files will be a bit of a PITA. I guess I can figure something out. But it's really that file size that's a PITA for me. I will have to get bigger drives for my home server and do some other things I don't want to right now.
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hard drives are dirt cheap these days.

just shoot compressed jpeg, for those situations where space matters more than p.q.
Click to expand...
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PWPhotography said:
sportyaccordy said:
If a higher MP camera is coming, it's gonna have a smedium format sensor. I think Sony is itching to get into that market, and can bring a lot of great ideas to it. There is already talk of a 100MP 44x33 sensor. That would have to be the next step.
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Personally I have no interest in MF cameras. What Sony can do is to lower native ISO also to 64 even 50 while still keep and further lower read noise so it could have even better base ISO DR than D850 at ISO 64, that is what I am looking for in future A9r, also a bit higher amount of pixels, at least 7 fps and similar buffer depth as in A7r III, lossless compressed RAW format, better implementation of pixel-shift.
PWPhotography said:
As is I think Sony's camera lineup is a bit sloppy, with a few bleeding edge cameras carrying some others sorely in need of an update. If I could buy something that averaged between the A7II and A9 I would in a heartbeat, but no such camera exists. I think it's about time to consolidate.
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That is something in forthcoming A7 III that should be announced in Q1 next year.
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sportyaccordy said:
joger said:
sportyaccordy said:
No, we are not obligated to praise Sony. It's great that their flagships are cutting edge, but they need to spread that around. If anything the A7RII didn't need an update; it's really the A7 & A7II that need a follow up. Breakneck innovation isn't very valuable if it's only accessible to the absolute top of the market.

You look at Fuji for example, they came out with the X-T20 and X-Pro 2, and then almost immediately spread those innovations throughout their camera lineup. There are a lot of Sony bodies in serious need of a refresh.... and the A7RII was not one of them.
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from your posting I purely rad pricing concerns.

What about a used mint condition A7RM2 and you have your A7M3 and even better.
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There is still a lot about the A7II the A7RII doesn't fix.
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Perception - and your mileage may differ to others.
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Battery life is still pretty bad,
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never had an issue with it - 700 shots are easily possible with one battery in my A7RM2
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buffer behavior I assume is the same as A7II (i.e. camera basically shuts down until it clears) etc.
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was never a problem for the things I use the A7RM2 for - using compressed RAW or jpeg improves the number of images in the buffer - no real world issue for most scenarios except you'r constantly shooting action and sports - but then the A7RM2 was not the right camera to start with :-)
sportyaccordy said:
I have no problem spending that money but if I do I'd rather get exactly what I want. There is a lot of room between the A7II and A9 and that's where I'd rather my next camera fit between.
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In case an A7M3 would be better than a current A7RM2 than it would be in a higher price segment and not suitable in the lineup from Sony. It just doesn't make any sense for them to build a cheaper version of the A9.

An A7M3 with 10 fps, bigger battery and larger buffer and 24 MP and the identical sensor from the A9 for 1/3rd of the price of the A9? Will not happen any time soon.

The A7RM2 is more or less the A7M3 upgrade and as long as the sales for the A7RM2 and the A7RM3 is high, Sony would be stupid to bring out a cheaper lower MP camera with similar functionality.

It is surely more attractive fro them to bring out an A9S for 5 k USD and exquisite video features - there is plenty of selection currently available to choose from. New and mint condition used gear - IMHO Sony is doing a fantastic job and the price point for the current products is spot on - I'd love to have it a bit lower but hey - can you put a price tag on something you love to do?
sportyaccordy said:
I don't need 42MP
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I don't need a camera - I just love shooting.
 
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