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VVS40k said:
Carol T said:
I have had a lot of issues with Affinity, too, and finally just uninstalled it. I don't know the history of DxO, but I tried PhotoLab, and it too was laggy when making adjustments. Overall, the Adobe products are in my experience extremely well optimized for Windows, and things pretty much happen instantly in Lr and Ps on my computer.
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This matches my experience exactly. The only two programs that do a pretty decent job on Windows are Lightroom and Capture One. After trying PhotoLab, Exposure X3, Luminar, On1 Photo RAW, I will NEVER ever complain about Lightroom or Capture One being slow, because in comparison they are blazing fast :)
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I have a trial of Exposure X3 and it's not slow, in fact quite the opposite.
Of all the programs I've trialled recently, X3 is the only one I've found that I'd be happy using as an alternative to Lightroom.
 
VVS40k said:
Priaptor said:
I'm not sure what size files you are working with but the rendering for me takes way too long. I haven't seen such slow rendering times in more than 10-15 years; maybe longer, at least on windows.

I can't even evaluate any other features until it renders quickly at least as quick as it's peers.
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On a plus side, I will rarely need the export anything, since the editing stuff is sooo slow. Especially the presets. They usually take between 5 to 15 seconds to load and to actually change the photo!!! Even worse, if you clicked on one preset and it didn't seem to work, you click on the next one and the next one, and then Luminar spends next 40+ seconds calculating and rendering ALL THREE presets, one by one. After a while you learn to NEVER use any presets at all :)
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Try Exposure X3.
The presets render on the preview image as soon as you hover over them...
 
It might be worth waiting a few days to see what they do. MacPhun previous software was all very well received, albeit for the mac. I can't see that they'll drop the ball here.

There should not be any problems getting a refund even three weeks from now
 
muljao said:
It might be worth waiting a few days to see what they do.
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Days or months?
Some of the problems being reported sound like they could take a while to fix.
Which of course, takes development work away from all those "coming soon" features.
muljao said:
MacPhun previous software was all very well received, albeit for the mac. I can't see that they'll drop the ball here.

There should not be any problems getting a refund even three weeks from now
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MisterBG said:
VVS40k said:
Priaptor said:
I'm not sure what size files you are working with but the rendering for me takes way too long. I haven't seen such slow rendering times in more than 10-15 years; maybe longer, at least on windows.

I can't even evaluate any other features until it renders quickly at least as quick as it's peers.
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On a plus side, I will rarely need the export anything, since the editing stuff is sooo slow. Especially the presets. They usually take between 5 to 15 seconds to load and to actually change the photo!!! Even worse, if you clicked on one preset and it didn't seem to work, you click on the next one and the next one, and then Luminar spends next 40+ seconds calculating and rendering ALL THREE presets, one by one. After a while you learn to NEVER use any presets at all :)
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Try Exposure X3.
The presets render on the preview image as soon as you hover over them...
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I agree. I started with Exposure X2 and am now trialing X3, which I probably will buy. It's quick, it does what they say it does (no hype!), and I have not run into any bugs with either X2 or, so far, with X3. I really can't figure out why it's not better known and more widely used.
 
MisterBG said:
muljao said:
It might be worth waiting a few days to see what they do.
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Days or months?
Some of the problems being reported sound like they could take a while to fix.
Which of course, takes development work away from all those "coming soon" features.
BG454 said:
MacPhun previous software was all very well received, albeit for the mac. I can't see that they'll drop the ball here.

There should not be any problems getting a refund even three weeks from now
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I agree, it could be months, but a week or two might just do enough to make people feel it's a more secure purchase if a few of the main gripes are sorted.
 
jsa321 said:
I agree. I started with Exposure X2 and am now trialing X3, which I probably will buy. It's quick, it does what they say it does (no hype!), and I have not run into any bugs with either X2 or, so far, with X3. I really can't figure out why it's not better known and more widely used.
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Probably because of money. We are probably all hoping a 60 ish dollar software will do all we want. I know I am :)
 
activator said:
having a play for the first time...............oh no!

Running windows 7...with loads of power and an expensive graphics card.

I am so disappointed. No wonder they wanted us all to pre order.If we had waiting for reviews how many of us would have bothered ?

It is beyond slow. I cant see myself waiting for the programme to catch up with me resizing or adding effects.

I could make a cup of tea while I wait :)

Just not working for me ..........sad
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Well, Lightroom has been quite bad in performance for years so I can wait for some time for Luminar if results are good and if it gives me better tools (which it does, compared to LR).
 
They have just released an update that addresses the speed issue when used as a plug in. It is an improvement on speed but the tiff images exported to Luminar come back as 8 bit. Not good. I'm hopeful that they will address the variety issues in a timely manner. Using it as a stand alone on raw images is painfully slow.
 
jsa321 said:
MisterBG said:
Exposure X3.
The presets render on the preview image as soon as you hover over them...
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I agree. I started with Exposure X2 and am now trialing X3, which I probably will buy. It's quick, it does what they say it does (no hype!), and I have not run into any bugs with either X2 or, so far, with X3. I really can't figure out why it's not better known and more widely used.
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I tried Exposure X3, and it did feel a bit clunky, not reacting as fast as I got used to on Lightroom/Capture One, especially when I move sliders, there is a noticeable delay between the action and the changes on the screen.

But seeing that many folks are not having this problem with the speed, I'll re-evaluate X3 then as well.

On Capture One side, every slider movement is almost immediately changes the picture, and previewing the presets is very fast (they've fixed this in the latest version), so you could just move the mouse over a list of presets and immediately see the changes on the full-sized photo.
 
PatS52 said:
They have just released an update that addresses the speed issue when used as a plug in. It is an improvement on speed but the tiff images exported to Luminar come back as 8 bit. Not good. I'm hopeful that they will address the variety issues in a timely manner. Using it as a stand alone on raw images is painfully slow.
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Speaking of the TIFFs. The TIFFs, exported from the Luminar are 8-bit only, and in sRGB(!!!), and there is no way to change that in the version for Windows :(

Add the fact that you cannot really save your work (there is no save on Windows), this just adds an insult to injury :)
 
I tried the beta version and wasn't impressed with the RAW rendering, as well as its very slow speed.

I also tried ACDSEE Photo Studio 2018 and ON1 Raw 2018, as I'm looking to move away from Lightroom.

I've now bought ON1 RAW 2018 as I think it's very impressive and fast. They currently have a deal on it.

I have a 2 year old pc with core i5 and 16 GB of RAM and a Nvidia 750ti and it hums along nicely. The DAM works as advertised, plus it does panorama stitching (which I need) and HDR - unlike Luminar.

For $80 I think it's the best all in one RAW/DAM/Photoshop type package out there.

P
 
VVS40k said:
jsa321 said:
MisterBG said:
Exposure X3.
The presets render on the preview image as soon as you hover over them...
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I agree. I started with Exposure X2 and am now trialing X3, which I probably will buy. It's quick, it does what they say it does (no hype!), and I have not run into any bugs with either X2 or, so far, with X3. I really can't figure out why it's not better known and more widely used.
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I tried Exposure X3, and it did feel a bit clunky, not reacting as fast as I got used to on Lightroom/Capture One, especially when I move sliders, there is a noticeable delay between the action and the changes on the screen.

But seeing that many folks are not having this problem with the speed, I'll re-evaluate X3 then as well.

On Capture One side, every slider movement is almost immediately changes the picture, and previewing the presets is very fast (they've fixed this in the latest version), so you could just move the mouse over a list of presets and immediately see the changes on the full-sized photo.
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Software speed seems almost a random thing.

Many people complain that Lightroom is slow, but I've never found that.

My computer is nothing special (Win 7 64-bit, 8gb RAM, i7 processor) but it seems to run most things pretty quickly. I was impressed that the pre-set previews in X3 updated the image immediately, just by placing the cursor over them.
 
Just had a reply from Luminar asking for me to be patient as they are trying to get to grips with over 7000 emails.

Seems their customer service might be even slower than their programme.

If all those folks want their money back like me they are going to be in some trouble.
 
Yeah received the same email >>>
activator said:
Hello,

If you’re receiving this email, you’re one of over 7,000 people who have written into Macphun / Skylum in the past week. While our normal standard of service is to reply in 24 hours or less, the incredible response to our new software has been overwhelming to say the least.

We have over a dozen people working nearly round the clock and weekends to answer questions, but as you can imagine it will take some time.

Rest assured, we’re doing our best and pledge that we will reply back to each and every email sent to us. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Sincerely,
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Honestly, they've made a big mistake by pushing their ads on every photography blogs during a month and by launching a non-ready Windows version of their software. Now they have to deal with it. They should have make sure the program was ready before pushing it like it.
 
installing the update now...what few edits i've done, i'm happy with. i'll continue to use LR (whatever the fock the standalone version is called) till it no longer supports my gear, tho.
 
I think Affinity does a very good job at replacing PS for me at least I have not found anything yet I can not do in Affinity that I do in PS.

I find that ACDSee can do everything I every do to a photo for editing except for adding a PH brush that I do not do much but Affinity can do that when needed.

I like acdsee as I am doing all this in one program starting with the raw files and working into over 16 layers on images I have done so far. And it has tool just for photos that works very well VS creating them in PS.

irv00 said:
VVS40k said:
There is no cheap and solid replacement at the moment, unfortunately. Capture One is definitely not cheap.

The only (minor) hope I have left at this stage for any Lightroom killer is On1 Photo RAW. Yes, the 2017 version was abysmal (still, much better than Luminar 2018!). But the team really pushed forward and delivered a lot of updates throughout the year, significantly improving the product.
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The problem is not replacing Lightroom - there are comparable products out there; some like Capture One, are even better than Lightroom. The one that can’t be replaced is Photoshop - the key to Adobe Subscription’s wild success. There is absolutely nothing remotely comparable to Photoshop out there, from Smart Objects to Typographic Tools to Vector Tools, plus the number of plugins, tutorials, brushes, presets, actions, books, features, etc.

In the end, people realize that trying to duplicate the entire feature set contained in the PS/LR combo is an excercise in futility (for the vast majority of those who use Photoshop beyond the absolute basics).
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