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No built in HDR in the X-T20?????

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drewmey123 said:
It is clear based on this comment that you haven't seen a lot of manual image blending. They tend to look the most real, while in camera HDR is one of the most surreal and unrealistic.
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Oh no Ive seen plenty haha. Ive seen really god like you are refering to and really bad. I wasnt saying that manual is bad, I was saying some people dont know when enough is enough. I guess thats simply either not knowing how to get the image to look natural or the person doing a really bad attempt at graphic art.

Sorry I didnt mean pros use in camera HDR, I meant a lot of pros use JPG, I wasnt refering specifically to landscape either. I 100% agree with your comments.

Like you said, its better to have it than not and like i said, Id rather have photography features than videography features, I think we really are trying to cram too much non photography based features into cameras. One could argue in body HDR is one, but not when the body does flash whizz 4k video, that gets my goat a bit.
 
John Gellings said:
celestialemissary said:
John Gellings said:
EcoPics said:
What gives there? Even cellphones do this with ease.
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Fuji didn't want that gimmick in its camera...
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Yeah but still I don't know why did they put "toy camera"
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Huh? Not sure what YOU are talking about.
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Toy camera mode has been on every X since the XE2 (and some earlier ones like the the X10 - only the X-Pro1 and X-E1 missed it I think). Surely you use it often? It’s a trademark feature.

To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
 
Threaded said:
John Gellings said:
celestialemissary said:
John Gellings said:
EcoPics said:
What gives there? Even cellphones do this with ease.
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Fuji didn't want that gimmick in its camera...
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Yeah but still I don't know why did they put "toy camera"
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Huh? Not sure what YOU are talking about.
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Toy camera mode has been on every X since the XE2 (and some earlier ones like the the X10 - only the X-Pro1 and X-E1 missed it I think). Surely you use it often? It’s a trademark feature.

To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
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Fuji cameras are widely praised for their JPGs which require very little post-processing. I think having better HDR, not Google's HDR+ necessarily, just better would benefit people who like Fuji for their JPGs. This is especially true for the cameras which have the full-auto with scene recognition toggle like the XE3, XT20, and X70 which will also be used as point and shoots.
 
Threaded said:
To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
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I never made that claim, "its the most vital" you are miss quoting me.

Whether you want it or not is your business. A lot of people do want it.

It is a useful photography tool, if its done well, for quick uploads. Id rather they didnt tack on useless videography features that have no relevance to me.

For the last time, so no one else attempts trolling.

I NEVER said its the most vital feature, its simply a handy feature that is available on many other models now and the reaction to it not being on this model is very apparent going by researching the web.

ENOUGH SAID.
 
celestialemissary said:
If you need more DR than use DR200 and 400 options for JPG
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Even 400 is too subtle when there are dark shadows. While they are at it, how about giving us something like Olympus’ Live Time/Live Bulb for long exposures.
 
EcoPics said:
Threaded said:
To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
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I never made that claim, "its the most vital" you are miss quoting me.

Whether you want it or not is your business. A lot of people do want it.

It is a useful photography tool, if its done well, for quick uploads. Id rather they didnt tack on useless videography features that have no relevance to me.

For the last time, so no one else attempts trolling.

I NEVER said its the most vital feature, its simply a handy feature that is available on many other models now and the reaction to it not being on this model is very apparent going by researching the web.

ENOUGH SAID.
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Ok, I’ll directly quote you then if you’re offended by simple paraphrasing - it’s not the “fundamental” feature you think it is, and Fuji have not “dropped the ball” by choosing not to include it. Feeling better now?
 
Threaded said:
John Gellings said:
celestialemissary said:
John Gellings said:
EcoPics said:
What gives there? Even cellphones do this with ease.
Click to expand...
Fuji didn't want that gimmick in its camera...
Click to expand...
Yeah but still I don't know why did they put "toy camera"
Click to expand...
Huh? Not sure what YOU are talking about.
Click to expand...
Toy camera mode has been on every X since the XE2 (and some earlier ones like the the X10 - only the X-Pro1 and X-E1 missed it I think). Surely you use it often? It’s a trademark feature.
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Nope, really didn't know. I'm old school... I use RAW only.
 
Threaded said:
John Gellings said:
celestialemissary said:
John Gellings said:
EcoPics said:
What gives there? Even cellphones do this with ease.
Click to expand...
Fuji didn't want that gimmick in its camera...
Click to expand...
Yeah but still I don't know why did they put "toy camera"
Click to expand...
Huh? Not sure what YOU are talking about.
Click to expand...
Toy camera mode has been on every X since the XE2 (and some earlier ones like the the X10 - only the X-Pro1 and X-E1 missed it I think). Surely you use it often? It’s a trademark feature.

To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
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Not correct:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4196598

I personnally regret that HDR is not present... Fuji is famous for OOC jpeg, you don't have to rework your images. So it is not very logic that Fuji does not provide a solution... DR is simply not enough in some cases (and DR does not really extend dynamic range...)

Another welcomed feature is to be able to stack multiple images to minimise the noise. I sometimes do it, still via sofware...

All the smartphone have HDR now. Hopefully, the Fuji is not a smartphone and gives much more in term of photography and there is also less need for HDR. But honestly, it would not hurt to have it... Sometimes HDR is really the solution.

So I agree with the op.
 
Christof21 said:
Threaded said:
John Gellings said:
celestialemissary said:
John Gellings said:
EcoPics said:
What gives there? Even cellphones do this with ease.
Click to expand...
Fuji didn't want that gimmick in its camera...
Click to expand...
Yeah but still I don't know why did they put "toy camera"
Click to expand...
Huh? Not sure what YOU are talking about.
Click to expand...
Toy camera mode has been on every X since the XE2 (and some earlier ones like the the X10 - only the X-Pro1 and X-E1 missed it I think). Surely you use it often? It’s a trademark feature.

To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
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Not correct:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4196598
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There were all of two replies to that thread including your own - apologies if I don’t remember it! Sorry, I accept there are different views on the subject but I really don’t think it’s a big issue generally. If you were to ask people what they hoped to see in the next Fuji body, I sincerely doubt that HDR would be particularly high on the list.
 
Threaded said:
Christof21 said:
Threaded said:
John Gellings said:
celestialemissary said:
John Gellings said:
EcoPics said:
What gives there? Even cellphones do this with ease.
Click to expand...
Fuji didn't want that gimmick in its camera...
Click to expand...
Yeah but still I don't know why did they put "toy camera"
Click to expand...
Huh? Not sure what YOU are talking about.
Click to expand...
Toy camera mode has been on every X since the XE2 (and some earlier ones like the the X10 - only the X-Pro1 and X-E1 missed it I think). Surely you use it often? It’s a trademark feature.

To the OP - HDR is not the vital must-have you think it is. Honestly this is the first time it’s even occurred to me that my Fuji doesn't have it, and I’ve been shooting with fuji for 3 years and posting here about as long. In all that time you’re the first person to even point it out, and having had it pointed out, I still don’t care.
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Not correct:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4196598
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There were all of two replies to that thread including your own - apologies if I don’t remember it! Sorry, I accept there are different views on the subject but I really don’t think it’s a big issue generally. If you were to ask people what they hoped to see in the next Fuji body, I sincerely doubt that HDR would be particularly high on the list.
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Not top but high in the list (for me).

Honestly, I think it would be nice !. If besides bracketing it can give you an HDR image, I vote for this, of course !!!

I would certainly not vote for just an HDR function without the possibility to get the bracketed images.
 
Christof21 said:


I personnally regret that HDR is not present... Fuji is famous for OOC jpeg, you don't have to rework your images. So it is not very logic that Fuji does not provide a solution... DR is simply not enough in some cases (and DR does not really extend dynamic range...)
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BINGO! So out of 10 people 3 people agree and get it, thats 30% and I assure you its larger in the mainstream community which includes people who do use their xt-20 in priority modes and expect automation, right or wrongly.

just because some people love the manual look and use of this camera doesnt mean it should exclude what is more a useful feature than "toy mode". or even video imo.

i didnt touch on dr100-400 because ive used it and it doesnt come close to something like Sony's inbuilt HDR software.

Again, the use case is this, and its very common. Somebody wants to shoot a Jpg and get it off quickly but wants to get details out of shadows and highlights. Its that simple.

Its not an argument that this camera is bad, its just simply a feature I think they will include soon. Fuji do tend to be quirky feature wise, but thats not what you buy a fuji for imo, its the hardware quality and out of camera image quality.
 
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If you were to ask people what they hoped to see in the next Fuji body, I sincerely doubt that HDR would be particularly high on the list.
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And I sincerely disagree with you based on what I have read in reviews, and forums in regard to this feature. Wouldnt you rather be able to have in camera HDR so you can flick off a pic while your camping to your facebook that shows all the shadow details, than have a feature like "toy mode"? perhaps you wouldnt, but a LOT of people do this.

Here if you REALLY cant see the use case, just read the comments on fuji guys HDR vid with the x-t2

 
EcoPics said:
Christof21 said:
I personnally regret that HDR is not present... Fuji is famous for OOC jpeg, you don't have to rework your images. So it is not very logic that Fuji does not provide a solution... DR is simply not enough in some cases (and DR does not really extend dynamic range...)
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BINGO! So out of 10 people 3 people agree and get it, thats 30% and I assure you its larger in the mainstream community which includes people who do use their xt-20 in priority modes and expect automation, right or wrongly.

just because some people love the manual look and use of this camera doesnt mean it should exclude what is more a useful feature than "toy mode". or even video imo.

i didnt touch on dr100-400 because ive used it and it doesnt come close to something like Sony's inbuilt HDR software.

Again, the use case is this, and its very common. Somebody wants to shoot a Jpg and get it off quickly but wants to get details out of shadows and highlights. Its that simple.

Its not an argument that this camera is bad, its just simply a feature I think they will include soon. Fuji do tend to be quirky feature wise, but thats not what you buy a fuji for imo, its the hardware quality and out of camera image quality.
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HDR is not a "toy" feature.

People makes confusion with the HDR artificial look and the HDR function whose primary goal is to increase DR, it is like having a sensor with more DR.

I just mean that HDR is not synonym of artificial look.

In the opposite, an HDR artificial look can be made from a single image (but it is better to have an high dynamic range picture)
 
Christof21 said:
HDR is not a "toy" feature.
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You misunderstood.
I was refering to "toy mode" which is not HDR, its another feature that fuji and nikon and i expect canon offer, it makes your images look like litttle models.
 
EcoPics said:
Christof21 said:
HDR is not a "toy" feature.
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You misunderstood.

I was refering to "toy mode" which is not HDR, its another feature that fuji and nikon and i expect canon offer, it makes your images look like litttle models.
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No for that fuji has miniature mode
Toy camera is mode that makes your images look like it was taken by barbie camera or something like that


haha

Anyway They could add HDR to that advanced filter drive mode

Still I would never use it. I like my shadows :)

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