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A7RIII shortfalls
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Mais78
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Agreed, there must be some downside. 4-5 fps is more than enough for me if I can get that in high mode.Well, what I asked myself immediately when reading the brochure was: What is the disadvantage of the [High] quality EVF mode, because if it hadn't any why wouldn't they make it the default? Maybe it's actually lowering the frame rate - that could be a disadvantage to some styles of shooting but not so much to others.Good news, hope this proves to be true.According to the brochure, the a7R III EVF has a [High] quality mode which utilizes its resolution. It doesn't mention any restrictions.Here it isMe too. I also just bought one
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60059413
A9 and A7RIII share the same EVF
I'm looking forward to when the a7R III manual becomes available for download. The a9 manual does not mention an EVF high quality mode. (Actually, that setting is qualified as 'new' in the a7R III brochure but that could be in comparison to the a7R II.) What it mentions is a setting for the frame rate, and if you set that to [High], the resolution is lowered. There is nothing mentioned about this mode being always used with still photography - quite to the contrary, it says that it is not available during playback, continuous shooting and while using HDMI.
Whereas your link only provides us with the claim of a single forum user, and some of the answers have doubted that it's true.
There are a number of people that agree with OP in that discussion, but again, I have no first hand experience.
Tristimulus
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A one stop gain is unrealistic from a technological point of view.
But you get a flip screen (my 6D has a lousy fixed screen and turtle speed live view).
Real life might look a bit different, -3 EV at what speed at which contrast level?
Did not know my 6D had GPS - well, now I know! :-D
Thank you for this one. ;-)
Upgrading from my oldie A7 cult camera, and then the A7RIII is a fine upgrade...
Keep my 6D for astrophotography only.
Evidentiary
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Here is an excerpt from the Sony A7RIII site:Well, what I asked myself immediately when reading the brochure was: What is the disadvantage of the [High] quality EVF mode, because if it hadn't any why wouldn't they make it the default? Maybe it's actually lowering the frame rate - that could be a disadvantage to some styles of shooting but not so much to others.Good news, hope this proves to be true.According to the brochure, the a7R III EVF has a [High] quality mode which utilizes its resolution. It doesn't mention any restrictions.Here it isMe too. I also just bought one
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60059413
A9 and A7RIII share the same EVF
I'm looking forward to when the a7R III manual becomes available for download. The a9 manual does not mention an EVF high quality mode. (Actually, that setting is qualified as 'new' in the a7R III brochure but that could be in comparison to the a7R II.) What it mentions is a setting for the frame rate, and if you set that to [High], the resolution is lowered. There is nothing mentioned about this mode being always used with still photography - quite to the contrary, it says that it is not available during playback, continuous shooting and while using HDMI.
Whereas your link only provides us with the claim of a single forum user, and some of the answers have doubted that it's true.
There are a number of people that agree with OP in that discussion, but again, I have no first hand experience.
A7RIII EVF for Stills
If the still resolution is the same as the A7RII the above is very misleading!
i think that was wrong, and i already pointed out the bill claff data, which shows similar d.r. across the entire curve.
it's YOUR claim to back up, not mine.
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Mais78
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dude, why are you trolling, then? you started this thread, with negative claims that you can't substantiate.
when people do that, it spreads false rumors.
what does the bill claff data say.
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Mais78
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I think Arcimboldo is right, they must have introduced this High Mode using the same hardware of the A9.Here is an excerpt from the Sony A7RIII site:Well, what I asked myself immediately when reading the brochure was: What is the disadvantage of the [High] quality EVF mode, because if it hadn't any why wouldn't they make it the default? Maybe it's actually lowering the frame rate - that could be a disadvantage to some styles of shooting but not so much to others.Good news, hope this proves to be true.According to the brochure, the a7R III EVF has a [High] quality mode which utilizes its resolution. It doesn't mention any restrictions.Here it isMe too. I also just bought one
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60059413
A9 and A7RIII share the same EVF
I'm looking forward to when the a7R III manual becomes available for download. The a9 manual does not mention an EVF high quality mode. (Actually, that setting is qualified as 'new' in the a7R III brochure but that could be in comparison to the a7R II.) What it mentions is a setting for the frame rate, and if you set that to [High], the resolution is lowered. There is nothing mentioned about this mode being always used with still photography - quite to the contrary, it says that it is not available during playback, continuous shooting and while using HDMI.
Whereas your link only provides us with the claim of a single forum user, and some of the answers have doubted that it's true.
There are a number of people that agree with OP in that discussion, but again, I have no first hand experience.
A7RIII EVF for Stills
If the still resolution is the same as the A7RII the above is very misleading!
Mais78
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the a7rii has a "high" quality mode, and if i recall correctly, the a7r has the same setting??:
"Menu item details
High:
Displays in high quality.
Standard:
Displays in standard quality."
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i wonder if it's just marketing hype.Here is an excerpt from the Sony A7RIII site:
A7RIII EVF for Stills
If the still resolution is the same as the A7RII the above is very misleading!
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dan
blue_skies
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You should look at the A7rIII's plusses as well....
Sony may have tweaked the sensor processing a tad, but I'd say that generally, these are the 'best that you can get'.
I can see many non-professional users 'skipping' the A7rIII, or at least delaying purchasing, whereas professionals may form a line - want vs need. The upgrade is a very meaningful upgrade, and it forebodes what an A7rIV may yield in a few years from now.
I am on the fence, I'd like to keep older cameras around, and I can see myself upgrading the A7ii to an A9 while keeping the A7rII, rather than moving to the A7rIII directly.
I'd wait and see how the A7rIII's PDAF system compares with the A9 in real life.
For non-action (or slower action), the A7rII (and A7II) do just fine already, even (especially) in eye-AF mode.
It is the same sensor (tech) and should produce more or less equivalent results.
Sony may have tweaked the sensor processing a tad, but I'd say that generally, these are the 'best that you can get'.
This needs more data - the A7rIII's EVF has more pixels, but more pixels require a higher data (refresh) rate. I would wait until you can try this out yourself. I thought that the EVF was third party sourced, and essentially equivalent between its adapters (ie. 'best that you can get')?
Really a non-starter for me. Do you know how dark -3EV at f/2.8 really is? Even if the AF is perfect, your pictures will be dull and dark. I find it rather amazing that the gap is so small now, consider the different technologies in use.
Your cell phone has applications that 'log your location'. All you need to do is to time-sync your cell phone and camera. Then, in post, you can overlay the cell phone's logged timeline with the image capture time, and you have GPS data for each image. There is no need to do anything at the camera side, why require it?
Yes, but an upgrade in general. Sony addressed many user complaints, impressively. Sony also introduced a few trade-offs that may or may not matter, such as ports out, lack of apps, battery incompatibility (yes a plus if you consider the new battery capacity).
I can see many non-professional users 'skipping' the A7rIII, or at least delaying purchasing, whereas professionals may form a line - want vs need. The upgrade is a very meaningful upgrade, and it forebodes what an A7rIV may yield in a few years from now.
I am on the fence, I'd like to keep older cameras around, and I can see myself upgrading the A7ii to an A9 while keeping the A7rII, rather than moving to the A7rIII directly.
I'd wait and see how the A7rIII's PDAF system compares with the A9 in real life.
For non-action (or slower action), the A7rII (and A7II) do just fine already, even (especially) in eye-AF mode.
ISO 1 Million
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Yes I read that a9 thread about the EVF too. When I tried the a9 at a store, I was also unimpressed with the difference versus my a7rii...........because there was no difference. Hopefully Sony has fixed this issue with the a7riii.
I'll wait for more conclusive data about the high ISO performance but I would also like to see some slight improvement.
GPS is nice but not necessary for me. The low light AF on the a7rii is already acceptable for me so any improvements are already a win.
My biggest issue is one that nobody seems to be talking about. The completely half baked implementation of dual card slots on both the a9 and a7riii. With only 1 card slot being UHS-II, we won't be able to save raw files onto both cards at the same time without affecting the number of shots we can take before the buffer hits and also the overall buffering time. The only reason to have 2 card slots is to have a backup. What good is this backup if it cripples some of the camera's newest highly touted features?
I pre-ordered it myself and will test out just how bad that UHS-I slot holds back the camera. I'm hoping it's acceptable for me.
Jrnichols5
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Same issue with the A9. When viewing the camera in live view, you get the worse resolution. It is only when viewing the pictures taken through the EVF does it show in the higher resolution. Disappointing.
First, I totally agree that it is ridiculous penny pinching to cripple the second slot. However, backup is not the only reason to have 2 card slots. More than once I've gone out with one of my cameras and discovered that my main card had been left behind attached to my computer -- but my second card was in the second slot, allowing me to shoot anyway.
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ISO 1 Million
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That's true. Hasn't happened to me but I can see that as being valuable. I have my fingers crossed that the UHS-1 slot doesn't cripple the riii too severely. If it can manage to shoot that quoted 76 compressed raws to both cards without hitting the buffer, I'd be happy.
Mais78
Senior Member
It would be nice to have the ability to copy to the second card the top shots from the first card after they have been taken, as back up, as opposed to write all the shots to both cards at the same time. Not sure if this function exists already.
i'll try to clarify some of the evf differences between the three cameras in question.
unfortunately bobabend cut off the relevant text in the image that he posted, so it wasn't clear what the image represented... here is what the text says: "[1] Quad-VGA viewfinder ("Hi" quality mode) [2] Conventional XGA viewfinder"
so, sony claims that there can indeed be a p.q. difference between the a7riii quad-vga evf and the a7rii xga evf, and they posted a photo of the difference.
in other words, Mais78, the o.p. in this thread, was wrong when he claimed that "Despite having a higher res EVF, the resolution when shooting stills is the same as its predecessor"
the a9 has no evf blackout when shooting 20fps, so no, it has a much more capable display than both the a7rii and a7riii... also, wrt the a7riii: "At the highest speeds, the camera reverts from a real-time display to one that shows the image just captured, vs what's in front of the lens at the exact moment of exposure. At 10fps, this is a 100ms (0.1 sec) delay. It may not be all that bad, but the extent to which it'll affect your shooting will depend a good bit on your skill in shooting moving subjects."
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a7r-iii/sony-a7r-iiiA.HTM
also relevant to evf pq, from the a9 manual:
Finder Frame Rate (still image)
Display the subject's movements more smoothly by adjusting the frame rate of the viewfinder during still image shooting. This function is convenient when shooting a fast-moving subject.
- MENU → (Camera Settings2) →[Finder Frame Rate] → desired setting.
- This function can be assigned to button of your choice using [Custom Key(Shoot.)].
High: Displays the movements of the subject more smoothly on the viewfinder.
Standard: Displays the subject at a normal frame rate on the viewfinder. Note:
- When [Finder Frame Rate] is set to [High], the resolution of the viewfinder is lowered.
- [Finder Frame Rate] is locked to [Standard] in the following situations:
- During playback
- During HDMI connection
- During continuous shooting with [Shutter Type] set to [Auto] or [Electronic Shut.].
this is the photo from the sony a7riii website:
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lets also be clear that the higher resolution in the evf is NOT somehow limited to just being visible when chimping images, as some people have claimed:
""Standard" or "High" display quality settings are also available for both the viewfinder and monitor as well. "High" takes advantage of the large amount of data read from the 42.4MP sensor to provide extra fine viewfinder and monitor displays for a more natural view."
https://www.sony.com/en_us/SCA/comp...full-frame-7r-iii-interchangeable-lens-c.html
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Arcimboldo
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Sorry, I was talking about the frame rate of the EVF.Agreed, there must be some downside. 4-5 fps is more than enough for me if I can get that in high mode.Well, what I asked myself immediately when reading the brochure was: What is the disadvantage of the [High] quality EVF mode, because if it hadn't any why wouldn't they make it the default? Maybe it's actually lowering the frame rate - that could be a disadvantage to some styles of shooting but not so much to others.Good news, hope this proves to be true.According to the brochure, the a7R III EVF has a [High] quality mode which utilizes its resolution. It doesn't mention any restrictions.Here it isMe too. I also just bought one
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60059413
A9 and A7RIII share the same EVF
I'm looking forward to when the a7R III manual becomes available for download. The a9 manual does not mention an EVF high quality mode. (Actually, that setting is qualified as 'new' in the a7R III brochure but that could be in comparison to the a7R II.) What it mentions is a setting for the frame rate, and if you set that to [High], the resolution is lowered. There is nothing mentioned about this mode being always used with still photography - quite to the contrary, it says that it is not available during playback, continuous shooting and while using HDMI.
Whereas your link only provides us with the claim of a single forum user, and some of the answers have doubted that it's true.
There are a number of people that agree with OP in that discussion, but again, I have no first hand experience.
Arcimboldo
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I think they are talking of different [High] modes here, that on the a7R and a7R II refers to the EVF frame rate, the one advertised for the a7R III is about resolution. That‘s why they qualify it as ‚new‘ in the a7R III brochure.
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