Fuji XT-2 or Sony A7RIII?

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

Considering the dynamic range on the Sony A7RIII is better than the D850 at iso 100, I would get the A7RIII for sure. The FF and increased DR will give less noise and better low light performance. It also has a bigger sensor. The only drawback is I imagine the camera will be bigger and a fair bit heavier then the xt-2. The XT-2 is still a good choice, but if moneys no option the Sony is a better camera.

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AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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The A7RIII looks amazing, but at 3x the price of the X-T2 it better be. Aside from the lower price, weight and size, I think the X-T2 probably has superior weather sealing as Sony tends not to have gaskets on the doors.

A7RIII hands down will be a better landscape camera - higher resolution and you'll be far away from the "wormy foliage" debates. For street, you'd have to weigh FF and dynamic range benefits of A7RIII vs. the more compact dimensions of the X-T2. The X-T2 with a small Fuji f/2 prime is easy to walk around with and probably less intimidating.

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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Option 1 for landscapes since the hi res sensor will help with details

Option 2 for street/architecture for Fuji is smaller, has better ergo, and the lenses shine

I mean obviously the A7RIII has objectively better IQ; this is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that a quick Google search would answer; however, it's also twice the price of the X-T2, so not really a surprise there.

Regarding which camera setup to purchase really depends on what you want the camera for, and how much a dollar is worth to you.

I'll use myself as an example. I personally don't make a living from photography, and while I enjoy it I don't enjoy it enough to drop $4,000+ on a setup ... Your situation is obviously different.

Upside is you will be pleased with whatever setup you choose.

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

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I think you may want a wider lens than 24mm equivalent for architecture. There are options in both systems, but you may want to factor this in. Also, 24-x zooms tend to have a lot of distortion at 24mm, which can be a pain for architecture.

AviramL said:

Which do you think is better

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I've used the a7rii recently and use the XT2. Given no one's used the a7riii for long, I hope I can help.

AviramL said:

1. Picture IQ

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For large prints, the A7riii will have more resolution IF the 24-105 lives up to its billing. No one can say for sure, as the 24-105 hasn't been properly tested yet. Assuming it does, you will need to print very large or use an 8K screen to show the difference. Imaging resource have a print quality comparison which is useful for this purpose.

Set up two and three will have very similar IQ from about 16-35mm, but set up two may be slightly sharper in the edges. Set up 2 will be sharper at 55mm.

Low light performance is more important here. It would be tempting to say the a7riii would offer more dynamic range and low light performance, but this would be wrong. It will be similar to set up three and worse than set up two. Wide open, base ISO on the Fuji in set up 2 would compare to ISO 800 on the Sony, so around a 1 stop advantage to the Fuji.

AviramL said:

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

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I'm not sure anyone can answer this until full tests of the a7riii are out. Given the amount at stake, I'd wait if you can. I suspect both will be good. I suspect the XT2 will have the edge for most C-AF applications but the Sony would trounce it for eye-AF.

The 35 f1.4 is slow to focus. Consider the 35 f2 if that's important.

AviramL said:

3. compact+light

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The XT2 will be slightly lighter and noticeably smaller in configuration 3. It will be heavier in configuration 2, but each combination of lens and body will be significantly smaller and lighter.

AviramL said:

4. weather sealing

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Fuji has the edge here I think, having seen the Lens Rentals strip down of an a7sii. However, that's not a very good basis for comparing one to the other, so if anyone else knows more, ignore me.

AviramL said:

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akin_t said:

I mean obviously the A7RIII has objectively better IQ; this is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that a quick Google search would answer; however, it's also twice the price of the X-T2, so not really a surprise there.

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As a general statement, yes. Comparing the set ups here, that's not so clear-cut. See my reply for details.

While the a7riii offers more potential IQ, the set ups here are much more evenly matched. Using set up 2, you could be shooting the Fuji at base ISO at f1.4, and the Sony at ISO 800 and f4. Suddenly the noise and DR advantage evaporates:


Set up 3 will be slightly worse than set up 1 for DR and noise, but set up 2 will definitely come out on top.

Ultimate print size and IQ will go to the Sony of course if used with good enough lenses to resolve the sensor for all round purpose photography at a professional level.

For street you really want that large zoom? I'd want the Zeiss / Sony 35mm F2.8.....

Landscapes and architecture would go to the Sony but again with better than kit lens options, top grade WA zooms or primes.

Portraits I'd say a wash unless printing for magazines as that's as much down to lighting and lenses than sensors.

For travel and walk around not professional work, meh I 'd opt for the Fuji for size weight, price and the nice primes. Of course the Fuji can be used professionally too but the FF would be better for ultimate IQ.

I guess it comes down to two things.

1. What your final output and needs are - massive prints VS smaller prints VS web / pro or personal use.

2. Budget and whether you're willing to buy the best lenses for the Sony to let that insane sensor really shine and spend way double what you would on the Fuji and primes.

3. If budget no option and pro work why not get a GFX

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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The A7RIII of course has a higher resolution and you'll get a bit better noise performance and dynamic range with it. With the X-T2 however you'll get a lighter system and Fuji's absolutely amazing lenses The lenses are imo. reason enough to switch to Fuji And of course you'll get Fuji's incredibly intuitive "old school" design The build quality of both the X-T2 and Fuji's lenses are also amazing.

In the end it all depends on what you prioritize the most.

Out of the three options you posted I would personally choose number 2 I actually do have an X-T2 and the 16/1.4 and I adore them

The output really matters.

Broadly the Sony is at least a stop ahead in all IQ departments. But when you choose an F4 lens....

Why bring a knife to a 56 1.2 gunfight. I'd want Batis on my side!

Dave

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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Why are you comparing a 42mp full frame that cost 2.25x as much to a 24mp aps-c? Seems kind of silly and pointless to me.

rockygag said:

The output really matters.

Broadly the Sony is at least a stop ahead in all IQ departments. But when you choose an F4 lens....

Why bring a knife to a 56 1.2 gunfight. I'd want Batis on my side!

Dave

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Totally. Sony FE 24-70mm GM Master F2,8 all the way or primes! Or at least a Sigma art 24-70mm F2.8....

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

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Definitely option 2: XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2!!!!!!!



But I think you can expect this answer in the fuji forum

Do you like to shoot with primes or with zooms? That's your answer right there.

A7RIII is an amazing camera that is miles ahead of Fuji in speed and resolution. If you can afford it and like the lenses choice, go for it. For a lot of us here Fuji represents the best compromise between price, IQ and that intangible fun to use factor.

It's not silly, it's Sony marketing.

Until you get to the extremes, print size, high frame rate, sports/bif focus, really low light, thin dof, the 24meg APSC is just as good as the 42 FF.

At the extremes, FF wins hands down. In the big middle, cost, ergonomics, haptics, lens choice for your little niche are way more important that FF or pixel count.

The digital world has changed dramatically in the last 3 years.

Dave

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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Why don't you compare apples to apples?

The Fujifilm X-T2 is better for landscape with +- 9 EV AEB.

But Sony a7r3 is better for street and lens wide open portraiture.

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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If you plan to only have one system, go for Sony. If you already have a Canon/Nikon and would like to add a mirrorless for travel, go for Fuji.

AviramL said:

Hi

I'm considering buying new mirrorles

3 option

1. New sony A7RIII + 24-105

2. XT2 + 16mmF1.4, 35mmF1.4, 56mm F1.2

3. XT2 + 16-55F2.8

Purpose - street photography , landscape, architecture .

Which do you think is better

1. Picture IQ

2. quickness - AF/startup/ etc..

3. compact+light

4. weather sealing

Thanks!

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Personally, I think I would get bored with a zoom F4 lens. The A7RIII is a way superior camera and cannot be compared to an XT2, the issue is the lens you are picking.

For your purpose the XT2 with prime lenses might serve you better from a more artistic point of view. That's the feeling I get. You know what I'm saying?