You mention auto focus above which I think anybody sees as a valuable asset (especially us old folks with bad eyes), but first you mentioned AiAF. This mode lets the camera decide what it wants to focus on. I can't imagine letting this happen. I thought everybody immediately turned this action off when they got their S400. Do you find AiAF useful in some instances?
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And your comments are ignorant flame-bait. I sentence you to a week with the S400 lodged in an uncomfortable, undisclosed location.
I don't think it's a good idea to encourage newbies to be very vocal and opiniuonated about things they know nothing about. When you go around making inflammatory and ridiculously wrong statements like his, you are just asking for it.
A newbie's role is to listen and learn, and ask questions to further his knowledge... not to go around asserting strongly held, yet completely unsubstantiated views.
Dude, you have nothing better to do than to go around contradicting people for no good reason?
- 1, the G2 is no longer a production model, and most people hesitant to buy used digital cameras.
- 2, these cameras have starkly diffenret uses and capabilities, and they appeal to totally different users. There are obviously more people out there who want a small, simple, point and shoot camera than there are who want a larger, more complex, full-featured camera that requires some skill and knowledge to operate to its full potential.
We're all quite aware of the differences. Regardless, the G2 is still head and shoulders above teh S400. Even the G1 is over the S400! A 20 eyar old SLR camera with manual focus and manual exposure settings is better than an S400.
The S400 is a fancy little camera for taking simple snapshots. Nothing more.
Since when does the G2 not have autofocus?
The S400's slow lens all but guarantees inferior AF performance.
What?!
Rubbish.
Yes, it is necessarily superior picture quality. The optics are bigegr and better, with more resolving power and less distortion. And the manual controls allow full creative control by the photographer, whereas the S400 provides virtually no creative control at all.
AIAF sucks. Try it in real life instead of just reading the product brochure.
Get this straight... All non-SLR cameras have crappy autofocus performance. There are factors which can aggravate this poor performance, including low light, poor contrast, use of telephoto, and movement of the camera or subject. Non-SLR cameras struggle as it is with single shot AF mode. COntinuous/servo AF is useless on these cameras unless your traking the lightning fast movements of a turtle sprinting across your back yard. Therefore, the last thing you need is an AF mode that automatically switches to continuous/servo AF mode.
You can't compare sales of a used, older camera with that of a new, current model. Furthermore, popularity is not synonymous with superiority. McDonald's may be the most popular restaurant in the country or even the world, but it's a far cry from the best.
Obviously, there are more casual camera users, who want a simple pocket camera, thant here are photo enthusiasts, who can fully appreciate the features in a camera like the G-series.
bauerman
Veteran Member
Gary - I think that you need to quit while you are ahead here!! The G2 and the S400 are not a good comparison. THe G2 is a pro-sumer level camera with all the options that photographer needs. The S400 is a high megapixel point and shoot. The G2 has a GREAT auto focus too - having used the G2 for quite some time now. No AIaf does not mean no auto focus. Take some time - read up more on the models - and then post again once your knowledge is more secure.
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Marco Nero
Veteran Member
Nah, Just kidding.
(Shameless plug for s400)
The Canon S400 ROCKS! It's like the "Noisy Cricket" in MIB. Dang!
You'd be hard pressed to find much dirt on this camera. It's worth every penny. The only reason I'd have to complain about this camera were if it was manufactured in some little Nike factory in Malaysia. Which it's not.
Keep takin' pics!
Ciao!
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Marco Nero.
My s400 pics: http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
(Shameless plug for s400)
The Canon S400 ROCKS! It's like the "Noisy Cricket" in MIB. Dang!
You'd be hard pressed to find much dirt on this camera. It's worth every penny. The only reason I'd have to complain about this camera were if it was manufactured in some little Nike factory in Malaysia. Which it's not.
Keep takin' pics!
Ciao!
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Marco Nero.
My s400 pics: http://www.pbase.com/nero_design
Mofongo
Forum Pro
Here's a simple long exposure night shot:
http://www.pbase.com/image/20178324
Here's a simple action pan:
http://www.pbase.com/image/18194528
A simple scenic:
http://www.pbase.com/image/17550480
A simple portrait that Walmart at first would not let me print cause they said it was a professional portrait: (had to show them the original on CD)
http://www.pbase.com/image/18788149
A simple black and white infrared photo:
http://www.pbase.com/image/17961826
A simple macro photo:
http://www.pbase.com/image/19841831
A couple simple concert photos:
(Paul Revere and the Raiders)
http://www.pbase.com/image/20211924
http://www.pbase.com/image/20206330
A simple nature photo:
http://www.pbase.com/image/20000908
A couple simple low light interior photos:
http://www.pbase.com/image/20949889
http://www.pbase.com/image/20949890
A simple black and white low light still life photo:
http://www.pbase.com/image/20949936
Another couple simple macros I took an hour ago while mowing the lawn cause I had the camera in my pocket :
http://www.pbase.com/image/21059407
http://www.pbase.com/image/21059408
Yes, it's a simple camera...simply awesome!
(simplicity is one of the keys to photography)
Bob
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My comments were not intended to make you feel ignorant, nor were they flame bait. Simply a sentence handed down to you by the S-400 O.G to make you think twice about speaking rudly, and from an undisclosed location. LOL
cheers
olyman
Bob Those are some awsome captures. The little girl pic at walmart is perfect ,and looks as good as any I've seen regardless of which cannon forum your on.
Anyone still debating over the capabilities of the s-400 needs only to check out those shots. Quite obviously in this case the photographer has skills and that helps alot. My point exactly thruout this thread, in the hands of a experienced shooter, this camera simply rocks.
cheers
olyman
bauerman
Veteran Member
I don't think anyone has doubted the S400 can take great shots. But if you want flexibility in a diverse range of situations - you need full exposure control - which includes more thatn two f-stops. Great pics such as those posted can be had with a lot of cams.
Bauerman
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Bauerman
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The camera takes good quality photos. That is not in question, and that does not make it a serious camera.
Any skilled, determined, and/or lucky photographer could extract an award winning photo from a disposable 35mm film camera. That does not make it a serious photographer's tool, unless your definition for that is a camera that makes it as difficult as possible to shoot under a wide variety of conditions.
The S400 is meant for snapshots. It's limited controls present a challenge for creative photography, rather than providing a helpful tool.
Stop trying to make this camera something it's not.
You are only revealing your own ignorance and stubbornness in doing so.
I have a sony dsc-u20 and it takes great pics for a pocketable camera not as good as my s45 but pretty good none the less.
Max@Home
Veteran Member
Dear Olyman,
You started this thread stating the S400 was 'best fit for all'.
You then clarified -and limited- your statement as it should be read as 'best sideshot/2nd camera-fit for all'.
But now you again seem to heavily limit this statement with 'the photographer has skills and that helps alot' ... and 'in the hands of an experienced shooter, this camera simply rocks'...
So you go from 'best single (as in using only this one) camera fitting the needs of everybody, long-time photographers and newbie alike' to 'fits best as sideshot/2nd camera if photographer has skills and is experienced'?
No disrespect meant, but aside from promoting the S400, what IS your point?
Kindest regards,
Max@Home
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Your point exactly thruout this thread?
You started this thread stating the S400 was 'best fit for all'.
You then clarified -and limited- your statement as it should be read as 'best sideshot/2nd camera-fit for all'.
But now you again seem to heavily limit this statement with 'the photographer has skills and that helps alot' ... and 'in the hands of an experienced shooter, this camera simply rocks'...
So you go from 'best single (as in using only this one) camera fitting the needs of everybody, long-time photographers and newbie alike' to 'fits best as sideshot/2nd camera if photographer has skills and is experienced'?
No disrespect meant, but aside from promoting the S400, what IS your point?
Kindest regards,
Max@Home
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Mofongo
Forum Pro
What's wrong with a challenge? Myself and other photographers have already proven (with photos not words) that the S400 can be a useful and helpful tool...I've taken and seen many photos from it that are a far cry from simple snapshots...maybe that's all you could produce from it but don't project that on myself and others who can achieve more with it...
The proof of the pudding is in the eating...not trying to make nothing from nothing...
Dude, you have serious issues...I think 90+% of the forum icluding Phil already knows who is ignorant and stubborn...
The S400 is not for you, that's fine...why do you spend so much time and energy trying to knockdown this camera?
Go out and use yours if it makes you so happy....
Take some photos and share them, that's what it's all about...
Bob
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"A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse"
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SoCalPhotog
Well-known member
I have a 1Ds and use my S400 most of the time. It's always on my belt. The wife and son also have S400's and will each be getting a new 300D soon. They love the S400.
dchao
Veteran Member
Mofongo wrote:
"Yes, it's a simple camera...simply awesome! simplicity is one of the keys to photography".
Is he trying make this camera into something? I don't think so. Do you have some kind of problem with people who is happily taking nice pictures with their S400 or E-10. It doesn't bother me, not even if Bob thinks his S400 takes better pictures than 1Ds could.
"beauty is in the eye if the beholder"
At least Bob (Mofongo) is sharing his pictures on the web for all of us to enjoy, and you don't. This just shows he is not a man with just words, and he chooses his cameras well for what he needs.
"Yes, it's a simple camera...simply awesome! simplicity is one of the keys to photography".
Is he trying make this camera into something? I don't think so. Do you have some kind of problem with people who is happily taking nice pictures with their S400 or E-10. It doesn't bother me, not even if Bob thinks his S400 takes better pictures than 1Ds could.
"beauty is in the eye if the beholder"
At least Bob (Mofongo) is sharing his pictures on the web for all of us to enjoy, and you don't. This just shows he is not a man with just words, and he chooses his cameras well for what he needs.
So , what If I am giving it some props. I like it , its a great little camera. Before purchasing a new gadget , car, motorcycle,gps,stereo,you name it, I usually research it to death, and this forum is one of my tools for digicam research.
It's here that I was able to muddle thru all the pro's and cons, flames and other b.s in search of information on the s400. As usuall all of you collectively provided me with enough information, along with OPINIONS , to make a good descision.
Some of you seem to be put of with people giveing their opinion. It's not all about, just the cold hard facts, listen to peoples emotions and excitement when they speak of certain camera's , it tells a story. Sometimes good sometimes bad.
So if after reading mine and others ad nausiam praise for the portability of this camera And it helps them make a good descision for their needs, in my view thats what forums are for.
cheers
olyman
To have the best tool for the job, you must carry a tool box, read camera bag.
cheers
olyman
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