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Buffercapacity of the Nikon D850
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Slugsworth
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Here's what I'm getting on my D850
ALL picture controls (Active D, long exp, vignette, auto distortion) set to OFF
Med avg scene shot OUTDOORS* good light, hand held, with the 24-70, nothing too scientific.
*What really makes the most difference is the amount of detail in the scene.
RAW ONLY
14bit lossless: 41 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 42 Sony G 64GB
12bit lossless: 107 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 139 Sony G 64GB
RAW + JPG Basic
14bit lossless: 24 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 25 Sony G 64GB
12bit lossless: 42 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 41 Sony G 64GB
Quite a variance between the Lexar & Sony in 12 bit RAW only??, and still short of Nikon's claimed 14bit -51 RAW lossless and (mostly) pretty close to Brad Hill's buffer tests.
Will this effect my style of wildlife shooting?? Time will tell and I'll be putting it through it's paces with a month long assignment to Tanzania next week.
I'll be bringing my D5 for the action anyway and D810.
As 12 bit really isn't an issue over ISO200 which for my style of wildlfe shooting is fine, my plan is to shoot 12 bit lossless when the action heats up and 14 bit for slow stuff/portraits and land/animalscapes.
Cheers
Marc
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ALL picture controls (Active D, long exp, vignette, auto distortion) set to OFF
Med avg scene shot OUTDOORS* good light, hand held, with the 24-70, nothing too scientific.
*What really makes the most difference is the amount of detail in the scene.
RAW ONLY
14bit lossless: 41 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 42 Sony G 64GB
12bit lossless: 107 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 139 Sony G 64GB
RAW + JPG Basic
14bit lossless: 24 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 25 Sony G 64GB
12bit lossless: 42 Lexar2933x 128GB
" 41 Sony G 64GB
Quite a variance between the Lexar & Sony in 12 bit RAW only??, and still short of Nikon's claimed 14bit -51 RAW lossless and (mostly) pretty close to Brad Hill's buffer tests.
Will this effect my style of wildlife shooting?? Time will tell and I'll be putting it through it's paces with a month long assignment to Tanzania next week.
I'll be bringing my D5 for the action anyway and D810.
As 12 bit really isn't an issue over ISO200 which for my style of wildlfe shooting is fine, my plan is to shoot 12 bit lossless when the action heats up and 14 bit for slow stuff/portraits and land/animalscapes.
Cheers
Marc
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http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
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jeanphilippe Goube
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I assume that the figures are given for 7 fps ?
Slugsworth
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Only if you're shooting 14-bit lossless compressed with the in-camera EN-EL15a battery (7ps max). Here's the buffer capacity chart from the manual:
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Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
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The Nikon Manual and the Menu Guide both dictate a few conditions for the listed buffer rate, so be sure to follow those when you test it:
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
Slugsworth
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Hi Bill & Dkoss.Only if you're shooting 14-bit lossless compressed with the in-camera EN-EL15a battery (7ps max). Here's the buffer capacity chart from the manual:
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DKoss wrote:
The Nikon Manual and the Menu Guide both dictate a few conditions for the listed buffer rate, so be sure to follow those when you test it:
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
I'm well aware of what the manual states, however the real world reality of buffer depth has not come close to 51 -14 bit lossless, (using an EL-15a , 7fps, a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use) And apart from putting your lens cap over the lens, I have not seen anyone achieve the figure Nikon has stated.
Testing by myself and other reviewers (who actually own the D850) such as Brad Hill & Steve Perry has shown the true figure to be around 41 not 51.
Cheers
Marc
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http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
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I'm not sure why you replied to me, since my post was in response to the OP (i.e. not you).Hi Bill & Dkoss.Only if you're shooting 14-bit lossless compressed with the in-camera EN-EL15a battery (7ps max). Here's the buffer capacity chart from the manual:
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DKoss wrote:
The Nikon Manual and the Menu Guide both dictate a few conditions for the listed buffer rate, so be sure to follow those when you test it:
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
I'm well aware of what the manual states, however the real world reality of buffer depth has not come close to 51 -14 bit lossless, (using an EL-15a , 7fps, a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use) And apart from putting your lens cap over the lens, I have not seen anyone achieve the figure Nikon has stated.
Testing by myself and other reviewers (who actually own the D850) such as Brad Hill & Steve Perry has shown the true figure to be around 41 not 51.
Cheers
Marc
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http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
There are no fewer than six different buffer capacities for the D850 when set to shoot 14-bit RAW. The capacity that applies in a given scenario depends on the battery used and compression applied...not to mention prerequisites about in camera settings and the XQD card being used. The OP mentions just one of of the six buffer capacities and doesn't provide any details about when that capacity applies. I posted a screenshot from the manual to provide a resource folks can reference when relating their experience shooting with the D850. To simply say, "My D850's buffer started slowing after X shots," doesn't really mean anything unless a person is clear about the relevant settings when the burst was made.
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Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
PHXAZCRAIG
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It's been reported just recently (user here) that his D850 had the compressed/uncompressed options in the menu apparently backwards. (Menu entry was wrong.)
Anyone else? Seems like if so it could be affecting these buffer capacities.
Anyone else? Seems like if so it could be affecting these buffer capacities.
kotsy
Active member
That Angry Photographer got up to 80 shots before his buffer filled. I'm pretty sure you can't be shooting to a secondary card at the same time as well (apologies if that's already been mentioned). I was only able to get to 27 or so shots but my Sony XQD card only writes at 150m/s. Iit would be appear that it needs a write speed for 400m/s to get 51 or more.
RoyAmatore
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And can only shoot to XQD without anything going to the other card.I'm not sure why you replied to me, since my post was in response to the OP (i.e. not you).Hi Bill & Dkoss.Only if you're shooting 14-bit lossless compressed with the in-camera EN-EL15a battery (7ps max). Here's the buffer capacity chart from the manual:
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DKoss wrote:
The Nikon Manual and the Menu Guide both dictate a few conditions for the listed buffer rate, so be sure to follow those when you test it:
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
I'm well aware of what the manual states, however the real world reality of buffer depth has not come close to 51 -14 bit lossless, (using an EL-15a , 7fps, a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use) And apart from putting your lens cap over the lens, I have not seen anyone achieve the figure Nikon has stated.
Testing by myself and other reviewers (who actually own the D850) such as Brad Hill & Steve Perry has shown the true figure to be around 41 not 51.
Cheers
Marc
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http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
There are no fewer than six different buffer capacities for the D850 when set to shoot 14-bit RAW. The capacity that applies in a given scenario depends on the battery used and compression applied...not to mention prerequisites about in camera settings and the XQD card being used. The OP mentions just one of of the six buffer capacities and doesn't provide any details about when that capacity applies. I posted a screenshot from the manual to provide a resource folks can reference when relating their experience shooting with the D850. To simply say, "My D850's buffer started slowing after X shots," doesn't really mean anything unless a person is clear about the relevant settings when the burst was made.
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Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
http://www.billferris.photoshelter.com
Slugsworth
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Not trying to flame anything at all Bill, my apologies if you thought that,To simply say, "My D850's buffer started slowing after X shots," doesn't really mean anything unless a person is clear about the relevant settings when the burst was made.Hi Bill & Dkoss.Only if you're shooting 14-bit lossless compressed with the in-camera EN-EL15a battery (7ps max). Here's the buffer capacity chart from the manual:
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DKoss wrote:
The Nikon Manual and the Menu Guide both dictate a few conditions for the listed buffer rate, so be sure to follow those when you test it:
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
I'm well aware of what the manual states, however the real world reality of buffer depth has not come close to 51 -14 bit lossless, (using an EL-15a , 7fps, a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use) And apart from putting your lens cap over the lens, I have not seen anyone achieve the figure Nikon has stated.
Testing by myself and other reviewers (who actually own the D850) such as Brad Hill & Steve Perry has shown the true figure to be around 41 not 51.
Cheers
Marc
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http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
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Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
http://www.billferris.photoshelter.com
however if you read my initial reply I did clearly indicate my relevant settings in order to achieve the results I posted.
ALL picture controls (Active D, long exp, vignette, auto distortion) set to OFF
Med avg scene shot OUTDOORS* good light, hand held, with the 24-70, nothing too scientific.
*What really makes the most difference is the amount of detail in the scene.
This is real world shooting and my (and others) experience ;-)
I look forward to your buffer shooting experience if/when you decide to purchase a D850.
http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
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You did. You were quite clear about your settings. In many of the early reports on "real world" buffer capacity performance, however, that hasn't been the case. In others, folks have made unintentional, honest mistakes in reporting the buffer capacity performance. Often, the error is mistating the expected performance for a given camera setup.Not trying to flame anything at all Bill, my apologies if you thought that,To simply say, "My D850's buffer started slowing after X shots," doesn't really mean anything unless a person is clear about the relevant settings when the burst was made.Hi Bill & Dkoss.Only if you're shooting 14-bit lossless compressed with the in-camera EN-EL15a battery (7ps max). Here's the buffer capacity chart from the manual:
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DKoss wrote:
The Nikon Manual and the Menu Guide both dictate a few conditions for the listed buffer rate, so be sure to follow those when you test it:
They list a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use.
I'm well aware of what the manual states, however the real world reality of buffer depth has not come close to 51 -14 bit lossless, (using an EL-15a , 7fps, a specific 64GB Sony XQD card, the ISO set at 100, the auto distortion control settings turned off, and CH release mode in use) And apart from putting your lens cap over the lens, I have not seen anyone achieve the figure Nikon has stated.
Testing by myself and other reviewers (who actually own the D850) such as Brad Hill & Steve Perry has shown the true figure to be around 41 not 51.
Cheers
Marc
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http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
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Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
http://www.billferris.photoshelter.com
however if you read my initial reply I did clearly indicate my relevant settings in order to achieve the results I posted.
ALL picture controls (Active D, long exp, vignette, auto distortion) set to OFF
Med avg scene shot OUTDOORS* good light, hand held, with the 24-70, nothing too scientific.
*What really makes the most difference is the amount of detail in the scene.
This is real world shooting and my (and others) experience ;-)
I look forward to your buffer shooting experience if/when you decide to purchase a D850.
http://www.marcmol.com
https://500px.com/marc_mol
For example, in one highly-viewed YouTube video, the buffer capacity is demonstrated and described as falling well-short of spec. In fact, the camera is performing exactly to spec for the way the camera's setup. In another highly viewed YouTube video - ironically, a response to the first video I mentioned - the presenter demonstrates buffer capacity and describes the camera as falling just below spec because he's using a slightly slower XQD card than Nikon recommends. However, given the camera setup, the buffer actually filled well-short of spec.
In both of the above examples, I believe the presenters thought the were giving objective demonstrations of buffer capacity and making informed analysis of how their cameras performed. The errors made were unintentional. Nonetheless, those errors invalidated their respective conclusive, which - ironically - were on opposite sides of the debate. The presenter who thought he was demonstrating a camera that falls short of spec actually demonstrated the camera performing exactly to spec. The presenter who thought he was proving the camera performs to spec actually shows it to fall well-short of spec.
At this point after reading and viewing multiple evaluations that are simply not supported by the facts presented, I'm conditioned to be skeptical of any report about D850 buffer performance.
I hope I have the opportunity someday to do what has become the obligatory buffer capacity video with my own copy of a D850. Fair warning to those who would watch it: I'll probably bollux it up
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Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
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