Panasonic G85 + 42.5f1.2 vs Olympus EM 1 Mark II + 12 to 40

Both bodies are great and both lenses are great. The 42mm has a little shallower depth of field at f1.2 that's all.

So in my humble opinion you could also get the G85 and the much cheaper Oly 45mm. Yes great lenses can give you a few extra % but only if you are already a very good photographer and know how to edit really well. That will take years and years. And even then gear is not that important. So maybe get a G85 a 20mm or 25mm lens and a 42.5 or 45mm lens. Or the 12-40 or 12-35. Zooms have big advantages for speed of working, which is important for some pro work.

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  1. Advent1sam wrote:
I am stuck between two choices as I am new to photography and I am hobbyist and I wish to learn and then earn Part time income with Photography (which is not easy but...).

I am really like the compactness of m4 third cameras.

I will usually do small videos 40% and 60% Still.

I also have plan for stock footage.

Some portrait work.

Some kids videos for YouTube etc.

Please guide me and other thing is I want 4k as well.
Gh5 is currently the best m43 sensor, by some distance, the 12-60 2.8-4 is a fantastic lens, the pair will do 90% of most photography , and video if you need it. The 12-40 is too short and the em1 ii smears detail and has very poor af.
GH5 is heavy and autofocus is also not good...
 
Fahd, feel free to call me any time 050 9300842. I've owned a lot of diverse cameras and love talking "shop". I'd like to know more about your goals, and may have some helpful suggestions

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That is great, here is my WhatsApp

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I am stuck between two choices as I am new to photography and I am hobbyist and I wish to learn and then earn Part time income with Photography (which is not easy but...).

I am really like the compactness of m4 third cameras.

I will usually do small videos 40% and 60% Still.

I also have plan for stock footage.

Some portrait work.

Some kids videos for YouTube etc.

Please guide me and other thing is I want 4k as well.
IMHO, you want a zoom lens, or at least several other prime lenses as well as the 42.5mm f/1.2. The 42.5mm (or Olympus 45mm) is a killer portrait lens if you are doing formal portraits where you can control the distance between the photographer and the subject. It is also useful to record single artist performances from the audience if you can control where you sit in the audience.

However, you won't be able to shoot anything else because you want a smaller focal length for shooting in normal sized rooms.

A commercial photographer that I follow (Kirk Tuck) tends to favor the Olympus 12-100mm f/4 lens as it gives him most of the focal lengths that he needs (Kirk seems to have gone to 50% video, 50% stills). He did need to add the Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 for his formal theater work, but the 12-100mm allowed him to not switch lenses for the majority of his work. Kirk seems to bounce from camera system to camera system. He bought a G85, and now has upgraded to the GH5:
I don't have the E-m1 mark II, just the E-m1 mark I and G85. I shoot video (1080p) 2 weekends a year, and the G85 is now my go-to camera for video. I had been using JVC camcorders before, but the G85 blows them away.

Now, I've been shooting Olympus for since 2001, and I'm more tuned towards Olympus for stills, but the G85 is a great camera for stills as well.

I will note that the reason I bought the G85 over the E-m1 mark II is I need to wear polarized sunglasses when I'm outside, and the E-m5/E-m1 bodies use a viewfinder using TFT lcd technology, while the Panasonic G85 uses an OLED technology. The TFT technology has polarization effects when you shoot in landscape (horizontal) orientation, and the OLED does not have any effects.

However, I have a few issues with the G85 that Olympus does better. If I was shooting Panasonic only, I would probably spend more time adjusting my shooting behavior to the camera.
Thanks a lot for such a lengthy and detailed answer...I will look for 12 to 100mm f4...
 
  1. Advent1sam wrote:
I am stuck between two choices as I am new to photography and I am hobbyist and I wish to learn and then earn Part time income with Photography (which is not easy but...).

I am really like the compactness of m4 third cameras.

I will usually do small videos 40% and 60% Still.

I also have plan for stock footage.

Some portrait work.

Some kids videos for YouTube etc.

Please guide me and other thing is I want 4k as well.
Gh5 is currently the best m43 sensor, by some distance, the 12-60 2.8-4 is a fantastic lens, the pair will do 90% of most photography , and video if you need it. The 12-40 is too short and the em1 ii smears detail and has very poor af.
GH5 is heavy and autofocus is also not good...
You are joking of course, heavy, lol!

This is what it can do, in the right hands!


Also, go here, http://naturalexposures.com/predictive-af-comparison-tests-lumix-gh5-g85-oly-em-1-markll-nikon-d500/

Of course Olympus want you to think this!
 
I am stuck between two choices as I am new to photography and I am hobbyist and I wish to learn and then earn Part time income with Photography (which is not easy but...).

I am really like the compactness of m4 third cameras.

I will usually do small videos 40% and 60% Still.

I also have plan for stock footage.

Some portrait work.

Some kids videos for YouTube etc.

Please guide me and other thing is I want 4k as well.
Zoom vs portrait prime?

mid range camera vs top-of-the-line camera?

EM1 markII is probably overkill in your case. Consider the EM10 mark III instead (assuming you want 4K, otherwise, the EM10 markII or the EM5 markII are better options). G85 good option too,
Why anyone that wants G85 or E-M1 II would consider EM10 III? Lower quality video, way inferior AF...
The panny lens is a killer portrait lens, hard to go wrong here for that purpose. But your video work involving kids might require the flexibility of a zoom lens. The 12-40 is a good start. You can extend the range though with Panny 12-60 f2.8-4. Or go all out with the Zuiko 12-1000 f4.
If it's video AF we're talking about then Panasonic has nothing to brag about. Not with any of their m43 offerings so that technical detail is like arguing between vomit or poop.
OP told exactly what he wants "videos 40% and 60% Still."
 
Consider the lens or lenses needed first. Then pick the body. Lens is the more important investment and will determine what you see and can do. Plus, it will ideally outlast the body.

That said, i recommend a good zoom or a couple of primes. Starting our with a single prime, particularly a portrait FL, severally limits what you can do, and eliminates useful compositions like environmental portraits. A 17mm prime will be far more versatile than a 42mm prime - if you are using only one lens
 
You seem confused. Nobody buys just a portrait lens with their camera. The 42.5mm is a good lens but for the average hobbyist, it may only cover 10-20% of their shooting requirements. Your first lens should be something general purpose. It should be either a prime between 12 to 25mm, or a zoom covering a similar range. Don't start thinking about how to make money, if you're just getting into photography, you're nowhere close to be able to make money right now. That might take a minimum of 6 months, but more likely closer to 1-2 years before you've gotten good.

My recommendation since you want video is to get the G85, get something for general purpose like a 12-35mm f2.8, 12-40mm f2.8, 12-60mm f2.8-4, or even just the 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens that comes with the G85. If you want a prime, I'd say try the 15mm f1.7 or 25mm f1.4. The Nocticron (42.5mm f1.2) is crazy expensive and I'd only recommend it for veterans who know what they're doing. These lenses will cover your normal use cases. Then buy a small portrait lens to get started. I recommend the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7. Learn how to use your gear, then move up and get the more expensive stuff once you've figured out what you're gonna use.

If you're serious about going professional though, you might want to just skip micro four thirds. Micro four thirds is capable of professional results but it's just harder than cameras with bigger sensors. It means, you'll have to spend more money to get those fast lenses, and you'll have to learn to work within the limitations (lower ISOs, doing post processing cleaning, avoiding dynamic range issues, etc.). In the hands of a good photographer, MFT can work great, but you're facing an uphill battle right now.
 
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  1. Advent1sam wrote:
I am stuck between two choices as I am new to photography and I am hobbyist and I wish to learn and then earn Part time income with Photography (which is not easy but...).

I am really like the compactness of m4 third cameras.

I will usually do small videos 40% and 60% Still.

I also have plan for stock footage.

Some portrait work.

Some kids videos for YouTube etc.

Please guide me and other thing is I want 4k as well.
Gh5 is currently the best m43 sensor, by some distance, the 12-60 2.8-4 is a fantastic lens, the pair will do 90% of most photography , and video if you need it. The 12-40 is too short and the em1 ii smears detail and has very poor af.
GH5 is heavy and autofocus is also not good...
You are joking of course, heavy, lol!

This is what it can do, in the right hands!


Also, go here, http://naturalexposures.com/predictive-af-comparison-tests-lumix-gh5-g85-oly-em-1-markll-nikon-d500/

Of course Olympus want you to think this!
Hahaha you might be right, as I mentioned it will be my 2nd camera, I had Nikon 5200 with kit lense and used it for only sometimes...
 
Consider the lens or lenses needed first. Then pick the body. Lens is the more important investment and will determine what you see and can do. Plus, it will ideally outlast the body.

That said, i recommend a good zoom or a couple of primes. Starting our with a single prime, particularly a portrait FL, severally limits what you can do, and eliminates useful compositions like environmental portraits. A 17mm prime will be far more versatile than a 42mm prime - if you are using only one lens
Perhaps you are right....
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You seem confused. Nobody buys just a portrait lens with their camera. The 42.5mm is a good lens but for the average hobbyist, it may only cover 10-20% of their shooting requirements. Your first lens should be something general purpose. It should be either a prime between 12 to 25mm, or a zoom covering a similar range. Don't start thinking about how to make money, if you're just getting into photography, you're nowhere close to be able to make money right now. That might take a minimum of 6 months, but more likely closer to 1-2 years before you've gotten good.

My recommendation since you want video is to get the G85, get something for general purpose like a 12-35mm f2.8, 12-40mm f2.8, 12-60mm f2.8-4, or even just the 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens that comes with the G85. If you want a prime, I'd say try the 15mm f1.7 or 25mm f1.4. The Nocticron (42.5mm f1.2) is crazy expensive and I'd only recommend it for veterans who know what they're doing. These lenses will cover your normal use cases. Then buy a small portrait lens to get started. I recommend the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7. Learn how to use your gear, then move up and get the more expensive stuff once you've figured out what you're gonna use.

If you're serious about going professional though, you might want to just skip micro four thirds. Micro four thirds is capable of professional results but it's just harder than cameras with bigger sensors. It means, you'll have to spend more money to get those fast lenses, and you'll have to learn to work within the limitations (lower ISOs, doing post processing cleaning, avoiding dynamic range issues, etc.). In the hands of a good photographer, MFT can work great, but you're facing an uphill battle right now.
I think you are right, however full frame is very exoensive, lenses are also expensive heavey and no IBIS plus no 4k...
 
Yes I am confused....

Nobody
buys just a portrait lens with their camera. The 42.5mm is a good lens but for the average hobbyist, it may only cover 10-20% of their shooting requirements. Your first lens should be something general purpose. It should be either a prime between 12 to 25mm, or a zoom covering a similar range. Don't start thinking about how to make money, if you're just getting into photography, you're nowhere close to be able to make money right now. That might take a minimum of 6 months, but more likely closer to 1-2 years before you've gotten good.

My recommendation since you want video is to get the G85, get something for general purpose like a 12-35mm f2.8, 12-40mm f2.8, 12-60mm f2.8-4, or even just the 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens that comes with the G85. If you want a prime, I'd say try the 15mm f1.7 or 25mm f1.4. The Nocticron (42.5mm f1.2) is crazy expensive and I'd only recommend it for veterans who know what they're doing. These lenses will cover your normal use cases. Then buy a small portrait lens to get started. I recommend the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7. Learn how to use your gear, then move up and get the more expensive stuff once you've figured out what you're gonna use.

If you're serious about going professional though, you might want to just skip micro four thirds. Micro four thirds is capable of professional results but it's just harder than cameras with bigger sensors. It means, you'll have to spend more money to get those fast lenses, and you'll have to learn to work within the limitations (lower ISOs, doing post processing cleaning, avoiding dynamic range issues, etc.). In the hands of a good photographer, MFT can work great, but you're facing an uphill battle right now.
I think you are right, however full frame is very exoensive, lenses are also expensive heavey and no IBIS plus no 4k...
 
You'll make more money mowing lawns. Get a Honda Buffalo mower and a small trailer, then use your phone to make a Facebook page of your mowing jobs.

Keep photography as a hobby.
 
Ive just got the G80 UK version and the 12-60, Panni are doing an offer at the moment where you can get the 25mm F1.7 for £95

I used to also have an EM5ii, both units have benefits I liked Olympus Live composite mode, Panasonic have some light mode but its poorly implemented and time consuming

Panasonic have post focus and auto stacking for Macro, Olympus do the stacking but don't do post focus.

Pound for Pound the G85 is where id go, the Old is very good but overpriced at the moment unless you go Grey from Panamoz

Also remember only a few lens do the Dual Image stabilisation ie 5 axis and Lens IS together the 12-60 does this and its buttery smooth...
 
Unless you're very heavily into portraits then I'd suggest this:

- G85 + 12-40 (or 12-35)

- Used Oly 45/1.8 or Pany 42.5/1.7

The difference between the 42.5/1.2 and the cheaper lenses is not huge, except in price!
Huh...There is a BIG difference between the 42.5/1.2 and the cheaper lenses that don't have the ability to isolate the subject to accomplish the full frame look.....and well worth the cost esp if you are into portrait photography



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You'll get excellent images from either of the cheaper lenses and if down the line you find you'd like something better then you'll be able to offload them for not a big financial loss.

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