S400 perfect fit for all

Mike Hunt wrote:
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On a side note, the upcoming A80 sounds like a very intersting
alternative to the S45. It's not as slickly constructed and lacks
certain things like custom modes and exposure bracketing, but it
has the essential manual controls, better ergonomics, much better
batter life and an articulated LCD, which could be very alluring to
many people.
Mike

Just to clarify, the A80 does have two custom modes C1 and C2, similar to the G3. (as you state, no exposure bracketing). This might be a nice alternative to many people.
 
I think s50 is a 10D or 300D compliment while S230 is G3's. the s400 doesnt fit in any coz of the high price. Compliment to me means its a hell lot cheaper.
i wonder if the s50 is a good g3 compliment. whenever im left with
the s230 i feel so powerless. i need more mannual controls.
You're right ,in some respects it's really a closer fit, with all
the manual controls, but it's quite a bit bigger, and enough to
make the difference in my mind....wish there was an S400 body with
S50 controls...the perfect side-kick!

CHIA
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On a side note, the upcoming A80 sounds like a very intersting
alternative to the S45. It's not as slickly constructed and lacks
certain things like custom modes and exposure bracketing, but it
has the essential manual controls, better ergonomics, much better
batter life and an articulated LCD, which could be very alluring to
many people.
Mike

Just to clarify, the A80 does have two custom modes C1 and C2,
similar to the G3. (as you state, no exposure bracketing). This
might be a nice alternative to many people.
I hadn't read that anywhere. Thanks for the heads-up.
 
Actually I'm usually in agreement with mikes views I'm just
saying Mike and others like yourself can benifit from adding this
camera to your arsenal.
I think I speak for Max and many others here when I say that I
would graciously accept any free donation or gift of this wonderful
$400 pocket camera.

Only if, you Mike write a 200 word essay on how the addition of an S400 will likely improve the quality of your life.
Put your side of that commitment in a legally binding contract and I'll write you a book on the topic complete with photos of me kissing the camera.
 
Portability is way down on my list. I love my G2 and it fits in my
wifes purse - so that works great - I get access to it in most
places - and she gets to pack it!
Ya thats real conveinient for those moments where youve got about
10 seconds to capture the picture,, hey honey would you come
here... I need my camera. But , thats ok everyone's different ,my
favorite subjects are people in everyday life and I try for candid
shots, no time to set up and pose.
Funny because I like to take the same kinds of photos. The problem is that with a slow lens, I have less latitude to take natural light candids indoors or anywhere where there isn't very bright lighting. The lack of an articulated LCD generally requires that the camera be held up to eye level to snap the shot, compromising your intentions and often spoiling the candid objective. And the lack of manual controls and custom shooting modes makes it difficult to impossible to set up the camera for instantaenous response when timing is critical and you will only have one chance to get the shot. And the shorter battery life will also pose a problem in cases where you must spend extended periods of time with the camera on waiting for a photo opportunity.
 
Sorry for not being clear enough, its the perfect second camera for
many of us because we already own a great full feature camera. Is
it the perfect stand alone camera, not for me , but for some it
could be.

Are you telling me you see no benifit in owning a second camera
which takes very acceptable pictures, and that your able to carry
it comfortably in your pocket all day, and ready for any thing
you may find interesting or memorable.
I've already made my position quite clear, and I think I've repeated myself quite enough, thanks.
And dont tell me you carry,
on your person, your g3 all day everyday. because your nuts if you
do.
On my person, every day, all the time? No. I wouldn't carry the S400 all the time either.

The real question is how many places would I be willing to carry the S400, where the S400's limited capabilities would be useful, and yet where I would not carry the G3.

The only places I can think of are clubs, and the S400's limited capabilities would render it almost useless there.
As passionate as you and many others are about photography, I'm
saying it's a great addition to your hobby, if you can afford it.
I've already repeated ad nauseum that I think the S400 ius a great quality, pocket sized, snapshot camera. it makes a great camera for those who are not interested in the finer artistic and technical aspects of photography but have the budget for a $400 cmaera nonetheless, or for those who wanmt and can afford a $400 backup pocket camera.
put it this way I see far more value for my $1000.00 in owning 2
cameras ,such as a g3 and s400 than I do in one d300.
That may be the case for you but 1) value is not the determining factor for everyone and 2) not everyoneb would trade an SLR for two non-SLR cameras. Back to gthe theme that I am trying to drill into some people's heads - it all depends on your individual needs and priorities. No one person can declare one camera to be better than another on behalf of everyone. And quite frankly, the S400 is one of the silliest cameras to even suggest for that mythical title.
 
olyman-

I agree with you, but I also respect the opinions of everyone else.
I have a s400 and I LOVE IT! It's by far the coolest camera I've
ever owned (and I've owned many). I have taken more pictures with
the s400 in a few months than I have with my D100 (which I've owned
for almost a year). I got the underwater housing for the s400 and
I take even more shots now. However, I do wish it had more manual
features because I sometimes want more than just a point and shoot.
Same thing happened to me, the number of pictures I took increased
2 fold. I still love my other cameras but having one with you
allways is a new ,fun experience. Cant describe it , just have to
try it.
I had the same experience migrating from a film SLR to compact digital cameras. But then I saw another increase in productivity when I migrated from a limited compact digital camera to a full featured, moderately sized digital camera.
 
Dear Olyman,
Max, I am a photo enthusiast, have been for 30yrs. Its just that
when I didnt have my camera with me, I mean on me, I missed lots of
great shots.
It's been said over and over: YOUR best camera is the one that's with you... ALWAYS with you... ALL the time... for you, that's a S400-type, for me (and Mike?) it's the G3-type...
seriously?? wow thats dedication. obviously if i could stand it,
i would love to have my g3 or my oly 2100 with me all the time.
..................-stitch-..............
Yes I mean allways with you, I carry my 400 as religous as I carry
my wallet. And If you can say you do that with your g3, my hats off
to you. also my condolences.
In this light I do and do not understand your lines from a later post:
And dont tell me you carry, on your person, your g3 all day everyday. > because your nuts if you do.
1. explanation 2. question

1. not always 'on my person' actually, as a G3 does not fit in a jeanspocket :-( , but with me at arm's lenght/office desk drawer/in Tamrac Zoompack on belt or around neck or Zoompack carried as small bag (shoulderstraps 'tugged in'). When hiking, on a Benbo monopod that is then also used as a 'walking stick' etc...etc...etc..., but always within 2 to 4 minutes' reach.

2. please do not judge people nuts or tell them they are nuts because they can 'stand things' you can not. We are people. We make choices. Different ones. But let us please respect other's choices as long as these choices do not in any way negatively affect or harm us.
As passionate as you and many others are about photography, I'm saying > it's a great addition to your hobby, if you can afford it.
a 550ex or an ST-ex would add more...(..if only I could afford them...;-)
put it this way I see far more value for my $1000.00 in owning 2
cameras ,such as a g3 and s400 than I do in one d300
...and that's where our opinions finally separate, with film I had a Canon A1 SLR and the Rollei mentionned earlier, and not before long I used the Rollei more...so why did I buy all that FD glass?

When I changed to digital, I promised myself 'one camera or none', this may have made my choice harder (and the time to choose longer...), but I am never underway regretting my choice of the day or missing the shot of my life, because my 'other, larger, and for-this-purpose-better' camera is at home.

Only in this way I feel I get the most out of my 'investment' in two ways: I use what I have and since it is the best compromise I can afford, it also forces me to re-think and try to outperform or work around it's known or observed weaknesses, improving my photographic skills and understanding along the way.

So if/when Mike writes the 200-words essay, and you are forced to give something away, to Holland a cheque please, for the 550ex or ST-ex, no need for the S400 as a 2nd digital camera...;-))

Thanking you for a nice thread/discussion,

kindest regards,

Max@Home

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Max@Home - G3 - 420ex, Castricum, Netherlands

http://www.pbase.com/max_at_home (mind you, use underscores!)
 
G2 is an old model camera that usually gives inferior shots compared to S400 and lacks many of the latest features (eg. AiAF).
I would actually love to have an S400 as a second camera - I,
however, cannot afford two cameras at any given point in time.
With that being said - and if I can only have one cam - it has got
to be one that has full control - like my G2. I would not want the
S400 to be my ONLY camera - for the reasons that have been
explained so well in this and other threads.

--
Bauerman
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
 
And dont tell me you carry,
on your person, your g3 all day everyday. because your nuts if you
do.
On my person, every day, all the time? No. I wouldn't carry the
S400 all the time either.
Why wouldnt you ? Theres no downside to carrying it, its not annoying and it takes great pictures.
The real question is how many places would I be willing to carry
the S400, where the S400's limited capabilities would be useful,
and yet where I would not carry the G3.
I think we probably take different types of pictures, I will take the picture even if it may not turn out well. I would rather have something , than nothing. If I'm driving down the road and see a great idea for business or a cool lookin motorcycle, my 400 is out of my pocket and picture taken within seconds, or because I had a camera was able to captured a unique picture of a snake with a frog in its mouth (yes it was sick). or simply take a discrete shot of a homeless person hangin out at walmart. these are the off beat pics i get when carrying this camera, call me stupid but I like em. Dont get me wrong I still love my g3 and 2100uzi and use em alot, but the style of pictures I get with my pocket cams is great.
As passionate as you and many others are about photography, I'm
saying it's a great addition to your hobby, if you can afford it.
I've already repeated ad nauseum that I think the S400 ius a great
quality, pocket sized, snapshot camera. it makes a great camera for
those who are not interested in the finer artistic and technical
aspects of photography but have the budget for a $400 cmaera
nonetheless, or for those who wanmt and can afford a $400 backup
pocket camera.
No question its an expensive pocket cam. But its well made, takes nice pics that I can print off 9x10's with ease.
put it this way I see far more value for my $1000.00 in owning 2
cameras ,such as a g3 and s400 than I do in one d300.
. No one person can declare one camera to be better than
another on behalf of everyone. And quite frankly, the S400 is one
of the silliest cameras to even suggest for that mythical title.
Actually, I never declared it mythical or better than any other cam , I simply say If one can afford a second camera , try making that second camera a quality pocket cam. its a good thing.

Now please go to work on that essay, go ahead humor us.

cheers
olyman
 
And dont tell me you carry,
on your person, your g3 all day everyday. because your nuts if you
do.
On my person, every day, all the time? No. I wouldn't carry the
S400 all the time either.
Why wouldnt you ? Theres no downside to carrying it, its not
annoying and it takes great pictures.
The real question is how many places would I be willing to carry
the S400, where the S400's limited capabilities would be useful,
and yet where I would not carry the G3.
I think we probably take different types of pictures, I will take
the picture even if it may not turn out well. I would rather have
something , than nothing. If I'm driving down the road and see a
great idea for business or a cool lookin motorcycle, my 400 is out
of my pocket and picture taken within seconds, or because I had a
camera was able to captured a unique picture of a snake with a frog
in its mouth (yes it was sick). or simply take a discrete shot of a
homeless person hangin out at walmart. these are the off beat pics
i get when carrying this camera, call me stupid but I like em. Dont
get me wrong I still love my g3 and 2100uzi and use em alot, but
the style of pictures I get with my pocket cams is great.
As passionate as you and many others are about photography, I'm
saying it's a great addition to your hobby, if you can afford it.
I've already repeated ad nauseum that I think the S400 ius a great
quality, pocket sized, snapshot camera. it makes a great camera for
those who are not interested in the finer artistic and technical
aspects of photography but have the budget for a $400 cmaera
nonetheless, or for those who wanmt and can afford a $400 backup
pocket camera.
No question its an expensive pocket cam. But its well made, takes
nice pics that I can print off 9x10's with ease.
put it this way I see far more value for my $1000.00 in owning 2
cameras ,such as a g3 and s400 than I do in one d300.
. No one person can declare one camera to be better than
another on behalf of everyone. And quite frankly, the S400 is one
of the silliest cameras to even suggest for that mythical title.
Actually, I never declared it mythical or better than any other
cam , I simply say If one can afford a second camera , try making
that second camera a quality pocket cam. its a good thing.

Now please go to work on that essay, go ahead humor us.

cheers
olyman

Olyman - I feel like you do, that many that don't think that the S400 will do serious things should try one for a while. I read your posts and it's kind of scary, as it sounds like we have a lot of the same equipment. I also have a G3, C2100 and e-10. Got my wife a oly D40 which is only slightly bigger than S400. When I go for real serious stuff or taking pics for other people, the e-10 comes out. If I am after pics of stuff that might be way out there and in a frame of mind of not minding carrying a cam around, it's the C2100 that goes along and if I am going somewhere where I am likely to want to take some pics and not carry the e10, it's the G3. But when we are just going somewhere without pictures being the main agenda, the S400 is on my belt and the D40 in my wife's purse. So like you, the two small ones get the most use overall.
 
And dont tell me you carry,
on your person, your g3 all day everyday. because your nuts if you
do.
On my person, every day, all the time? No. I wouldn't carry the
S400 all the time either.
Why wouldnt you ? Theres no downside to carrying it, its not
annoying and it takes great pictures.
The real question is how many places would I be willing to carry
the S400, where the S400's limited capabilities would be useful,
and yet where I would not carry the G3.
I think we probably take different types of pictures, I will take
the picture even if it may not turn out well. I would rather have
something , than nothing. If I'm driving down the road and see a
great idea for business or a cool lookin motorcycle, my 400 is out
of my pocket and picture taken within seconds, or because I had a
camera was able to captured a unique picture of a snake with a frog
in its mouth (yes it was sick). or simply take a discrete shot of a
homeless person hangin out at walmart. these are the off beat pics
i get when carrying this camera, call me stupid but I like em. Dont
get me wrong I still love my g3 and 2100uzi and use em alot, but
the style of pictures I get with my pocket cams is great.
As passionate as you and many others are about photography, I'm
saying it's a great addition to your hobby, if you can afford it.
I've already repeated ad nauseum that I think the S400 ius a great
quality, pocket sized, snapshot camera. it makes a great camera for
those who are not interested in the finer artistic and technical
aspects of photography but have the budget for a $400 cmaera
nonetheless, or for those who wanmt and can afford a $400 backup
pocket camera.
No question its an expensive pocket cam. But its well made, takes
nice pics that I can print off 9x10's with ease.
put it this way I see far more value for my $1000.00 in owning 2
cameras ,such as a g3 and s400 than I do in one d300.
. No one person can declare one camera to be better than
another on behalf of everyone. And quite frankly, the S400 is one
of the silliest cameras to even suggest for that mythical title.
Actually, I never declared it mythical or better than any other
cam , I simply say If one can afford a second camera , try making
that second camera a quality pocket cam. its a good thing.

Now please go to work on that essay, go ahead humor us.

cheers
olyman

Olyman - I feel like you do, that many that don't think that the S400 will do serious things should try one for a while. I read your posts and it's kind of scary, as it sounds like we have a lot of the same equipment. I also have a G3, C2100 and e-10. Got my wife a oly D40 which is only slightly bigger than S400. When I go for real serious stuff or taking pics for other people, the e-10 comes out. If I am after pics of stuff that might be way out there and in a frame of mind of not minding carrying a cam around, it's the C2100 that goes along and if I am going somewhere where I am likely to want to take some pics and not carry the e10, it's the G3. But when we are just going somewhere without pictures being the main agenda, the S400 is on my belt and the D40 in my wife's purse. So like you, the two small ones get the most use overall.
Ya , you pretty much summed it up nicely. Cant really brag here to much about the 2100 aka the UZI, but this is still my all time favorite and capable camera with its simply brilliant 10x Image stabalized zoom lens. At only 2mp it's getting a little outdated , but It still captures some of my best shots.

cheers
olyman
 
You must be joking.

The G2's image quality is comparable to the G3's, in other words, SUPERIOR to the S400's.

Aside from that, AIAF sucks. This is a dummy feature. It might be usable on an SLR like the 300D since its AF is so fast and accurate to begin with, but on a non-SLR??? Give me a break! The last thing you want on a camera like this is to use continuous AF mode. What could possibly be worse? A mode that switches to continuous AF with no way to override it.

The S400's AF, by necessity, is going to be worse than the G2's or G3's, if for no other reason, because of the much slower lens.

Aside form that, the G2 has most of the features that place the G3 over the S400 including much better battery life, faster lens, longer zoom, better ergonomics, full manual controls, etc.

I have read some pretty dumb things here from time to time, but this post of yours just won first prize.
I would actually love to have an S400 as a second camera - I,
however, cannot afford two cameras at any given point in time.
With that being said - and if I can only have one cam - it has got
to be one that has full control - like my G2. I would not want the
S400 to be my ONLY camera - for the reasons that have been
explained so well in this and other threads.

--
Bauerman
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
 
On my person, every day, all the time? No. I wouldn't carry the
S400 all the time either.
Why wouldnt you ? Theres no downside to carrying it, its not
annoying and it takes great pictures.
Once again, you demonstrate that you live in an olyman-centric universe. Dude, not everyone thinks like you. When are you going to understand that?

Theren IS a downside to carrying an S400 all the time... namely the weight of the thing dragging your pants and its size bulging your pocket. I don't even like having my keys in my pocket, let alone a camera. I can't imagine going to work and spending the whole day with this ridiculous thing in the pocket of my slacks. That's absurd.
I will take
the picture even if it may not turn out well. I would rather have
something , than nothing. If I'm driving down the road and see a
great idea for business or a cool lookin motorcycle, my 400 is out
of my pocket and picture taken within seconds, or because I had a
camera was able to captured a unique picture of a snake with a frog
in its mouth (yes it was sick). or simply take a discrete shot of a
homeless person hangin out at walmart. these are the off beat pics
i get when carrying this camera, call me stupid but I like em.
You're not the only person who does that, though you may find yourself doing it less often after the novelty of your camera wears off. I do the same thing with my G3. Again, the question was how many situations will would the S400 be useful where the G3 would not.
No question its an expensive pocket cam. But its well made, takes
nice pics that I can print off 9x10's with ease.
Nobody here has stated otherwise.
put it this way I see far more value for my $1000.00 in owning 2
cameras ,such as a g3 and s400 than I do in one d300.
. No one person can declare one camera to be better than
another on behalf of everyone. And quite frankly, the S400 is one
of the silliest cameras to even suggest for that mythical title.
Actually, I never declared it mythical or better than any other
cam , I simply say If one can afford a second camera , try making
that second camera a quality pocket cam. its a good thing.
There is a person in this thread that had a distinctly more extreme view. :-D
Now please go to work on that essay, go ahead humor us.
I'm still waiting for the written commitment to buy me an S400 in return...
 
G2 is an old model camera that usually gives inferior shots
compared to S400 and lacks many of the latest features (eg. AiAF).
Gary....you must be smokin crack to make an ignorant and uninteligent statement like that....enough said!

CHIA
 
You must be joking.

The G2's image quality is comparable to the G3's, in other words,
SUPERIOR to the S400's.

Aside from that, AIAF sucks. This is a dummy feature. It might be
usable on an SLR like the 300D since its AF is so fast and accurate
to begin with, but on a non-SLR??? Give me a break! The last thing
you want on a camera like this is to use continuous AF mode. What
could possibly be worse? A mode that switches to continuous AF with
no way to override it.

The S400's AF, by necessity, is going to be worse than the G2's or
G3's, if for no other reason, because of the much slower lens.

Aside form that, the G2 has most of the features that place the G3
over the S400 including much better battery life, faster lens,
longer zoom, better ergonomics, full manual controls, etc.

I have read some pretty dumb things here from time to time, but
this post of yours just won first prize.
Every one knows the first thing ,is to turn that feature off in the 400's menu.

Mike this was rude behavior , I sentence you to 24hours with a G3 in your front pocket.
I would actually love to have an S400 as a second camera - I,
however, cannot afford two cameras at any given point in time.
With that being said - and if I can only have one cam - it has got
to be one that has full control - like my G2. I would not want the
S400 to be my ONLY camera - for the reasons that have been
explained so well in this and other threads.

--
Bauerman
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
 
Hey guys,

Are you too harsh to Mr Jones, he's only been on this forum for a week, I thought this is a newbie's forum?

Unless you know something I don't.
G2 is an old model camera that usually gives inferior shots
compared to S400 and lacks many of the latest features (eg. AiAF).
Gary....you must be smokin crack to make an ignorant and
uninteligent statement like that....enough said!

CHIA
 
I guess thousands of people are on crack not to buy G2 even though its price is similar or lower than that of S400 or S45 at the moment. When I bought S400, G2 was priced at least $25-$50 lower than S400 and S45. Even then no one was buying it.

Now don't compare G2 with G3. They have many similar features but G2 lacks the extra punch. Only 3x optical zoom, No ND filter, higher weight, poor movie support, etc. Look at http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong3/

Its ridiculous that someone is hung upon poor battery life of S400 as it can easily take 100 photos with LCD on and full image review done for each of the shot. Moreover an extra battery is just $9 generic or $20 from canon.
G2 is an old model camera that usually gives inferior shots
compared to S400 and lacks many of the latest features (eg. AiAF).
Gary....you must be smokin crack to make an ignorant and
uninteligent statement like that....enough said!

CHIA
 
Perhaps you do not remeber what you said.....it's still crazy after reading ot a second time.....do you need a reminder?
"G2 is an old model camera that usually gives inferior shots compared to S400 and lacks many of the latest features (eg. AiAF). "
What are you talking about???????????
 
I might have gone little too further in praising S400 over G2.

However, please note that auto-focus is a very useful feature. Any binocular user realizes that more than we do. In automatic mode, S400 can take better shots than G2. G2 is surely an old model released in 2001 and is currently discontinued. Feature set is good (manual options) but that does not necessarily superior picture quality. Imagine a new user using G2 and unable to set the focus correctly because it does not have AiAF.

I might be wrong, but the market should not be. A good thing is justified by its demand, which is negligible in this age for G2.
"G2 is an old model camera that usually gives inferior shots compared to S400 and lacks many of the latest features (eg. AiAF). "
What are you talking about???????????
 

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