Leaving m43, what are the best options

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Well, there are lots of suggestions in this thread. Many are respectable views. There are really experts in their field in this thread (honestly).

Maybe it will sound "too classic" but my suggestion is a DSLR.

If budget is the case, then a DSLR with APS-C (crop) sensor is the choice. Because lenses for crop sensor bodies are more economic than lenses for FF bodies.

If no budget limit exists, then a DSLR with FF sensor.

I had tried mirrorless camera. But DSLR is more responsive than mirrorless. Although a tiny lag (maybe unremarkable by most) exist in mirrorless bodies with respect to DSLR bodies.
Which did you try and when? Current mirrorless are lightning fast, and very responsive. IF you want to do high level BIF tracking, you will still do better with a higher level recent DSLR than most M43, but for everything else (depending on the model you get, of course), mirrorless are remarkably fast.
The interface and ergonomics of a DSLR body are more user friendly.
Depends on your own point of view on that one. Interface and ergos of a GH5 are superb, for instance. Interface and ergos of a Nikon D3500 are awful. Using ANY DSLR in Live View is a royal pain, to boot (and once you get used to instant feedback from a mirrorless, it is very hard to go back to the amazingly pokey live view in most DSLRs)
In addition, OVF is much better than EVF in my opinion. If you would pay attention to exposure-meter at the bottom of view finder and select the correct metering mode for your shot, then there are no problems. (There are lots of people who like EVF. But I could not like looking a computer-monitor-like-screen from the view finder. Real sight is much more tasteful for me.)
The words "in my opinion" tell you all you need to know about that. I love having instant feedback about my exposure without having to do the guesswork about it, or chimp endlessly. Live view dramatically improves spontaneity of shooting and getting keepers to boot. Plus you have a good idea if you accidentally have messed up a setting immediately, not after having shot a pile of (unusable) images....

It really sounds like you tried a mirrorless camera 5 years ago and hated it. I would suggest you try one of the current upper end models from any of the manufacturers now and reassess you intense dislike based on old tech you were exposed to.

I use a GX8 which has a fabulous EVF. The only OVF I have used recently that I was as comfortable with as the EVF in the GX8 was the one in the Nikon D750. Anything lower than that in the DSLRs is like looking through a tube. Very uncomfortable and far less versatile than an EVF.
Maybe this should sound nasty or unpleasant for many: m43, Fuji, Olympus, Sony, etc. does not differ much. There are very different technologies provided by certain mirrorless camera brands: Olympus has IBIS; Sony delivers fine ISO performace, Fuji provides nice photo quality, etc. In the end, they are all mirrorless.
Well, so? This is really amazingly silly argument. The differences between cameras are not so much the methods used to capture the image, but the sensor and processor in the box. So, by dismissing the output of all mirrorless because, well, they are mirrorless, NOT because of sensor or processor differences, you are really going off into the ether here.
DSLR and mirrorless are two very different stories.
They are both camera types. They both use digital sensors. They both produce output that will vary depending on the sensor and processor used. The box is almost irrelevant, except for what the user is happiest with. For many it's mirrorless. For others it's DSLR. You like DSLR, and that's great. But to dismiss all mirrorless as being inherently inferior to all DSLRs, because they don't have a prism on top to look through, is pretty darn inane.
I prefer DSLRs. I advise any person a DSLR if asked. That is my opinion as a person who used both.
Once again, what was the last mirrorless you spent any time with? If I had only tried an Oly EPL1 or the first NEXs, and compared them to, say, a D750 or 5DIII, I would have come to the same conclusion....but I would perhaps have spent a little time with a recent model before having those impressions set themselves permanently in stone in my brain, and using them to advise others that mirrorless was and always would be a lousy format.....

-J
 
You are complaining about reliability issues.

IMO, this can happen with any brand, as well to flagship cameras as entry level. just a matter of bad luck.

People on this M43 forum dont seem to complain more about reliability than on other forums I have attended (Fuji, Sony, Olympus, Pentax ....)

AFAIK, even top end gear may fail in action, that is why Canon offers a pro service in most countries.

This can save you waiting several weeks when your camera or lens needs servicing, but even this kind of expensive VIP service cannot guarantee you will have the replacement camera the next minute yours failed.

Thus, the only option to be able to carry on shooting is to bring with you a second camera.

As cameras are small items to carry, this is also a very easy solution.

It may be your previous body or an entry level one in the ILC system you use, or something from another ILC system, or a high end compact (I mean something like Sony RX100, Ricoh GR, Panasonic LX100, Olympus XZ-2, a.s.o., which can also be useful for sessions where you need something unobstrusive), or bridge (thinking of Sony RX10 for instance).

If M43 suits your expectations as regards size, IQ, lenses, AF, low light and handling performance, and you dont already have a spare camera, buying one will cost much less than changing system.

Unless this reliability argument is just an alibi to try something different.....
 
Well, there are lots of suggestions in this thread. Many are respectable views. There are really experts in their field in this thread (honestly).

Maybe it will sound "too classic" but my suggestion is a DSLR.

If budget is the case, then a DSLR with APS-C (crop) sensor is the choice. Because lenses for crop sensor bodies are more economic than lenses for FF bodies.

If no budget limit exists, then a DSLR with FF sensor.

I had tried mirrorless camera. But DSLR is more responsive than mirrorless. Although a tiny lag (maybe unremarkable by most) exist in mirrorless bodies with respect to DSLR bodies.
Which did you try and when? Current mirrorless are lightning fast, and very responsive. IF you want to do high level BIF tracking, you will still do better with a higher level recent DSLR than most M43, but for everything else (depending on the model you get, of course), mirrorless are remarkably fast.
The interface and ergonomics of a DSLR body are more user friendly.
Depends on your own point of view on that one. Interface and ergos of a GH5 are superb, for instance. Interface and ergos of a Nikon D3500 are awful. Using ANY DSLR in Live View is a royal pain, to boot (and once you get used to instant feedback from a mirrorless, it is very hard to go back to the amazingly pokey live view in most DSLRs)
In addition, OVF is much better than EVF in my opinion. If you would pay attention to exposure-meter at the bottom of view finder and select the correct metering mode for your shot, then there are no problems. (There are lots of people who like EVF. But I could not like looking a computer-monitor-like-screen from the view finder. Real sight is much more tasteful for me.)
The words "in my opinion" tell you all you need to know about that. I love having instant feedback about my exposure without having to do the guesswork about it, or chimp endlessly. Live view dramatically improves spontaneity of shooting and getting keepers to boot. Plus you have a good idea if you accidentally have messed up a setting immediately, not after having shot a pile of (unusable) images....

It really sounds like you tried a mirrorless camera 5 years ago and hated it. I would suggest you try one of the current upper end models from any of the manufacturers now and reassess you intense dislike based on old tech you were exposed to.

I use a GX8 which has a fabulous EVF. The only OVF I have used recently that I was as comfortable with as the EVF in the GX8 was the one in the Nikon D750. Anything lower than that in the DSLRs is like looking through a tube. Very uncomfortable and far less versatile than an EVF.
Maybe this should sound nasty or unpleasant for many: m43, Fuji, Olympus, Sony, etc. does not differ much. There are very different technologies provided by certain mirrorless camera brands: Olympus has IBIS; Sony delivers fine ISO performace, Fuji provides nice photo quality, etc. In the end, they are all mirrorless.
Well, so? This is really amazingly silly argument. The differences between cameras are not so much the methods used to capture the image, but the sensor and processor in the box. So, by dismissing the output of all mirrorless because, well, they are mirrorless, NOT because of sensor or processor differences, you are really going off into the ether here.
DSLR and mirrorless are two very different stories.
They are both camera types. They both use digital sensors. They both produce output that will vary depending on the sensor and processor used. The box is almost irrelevant, except for what the user is happiest with. For many it's mirrorless. For others it's DSLR. You like DSLR, and that's great. But to dismiss all mirrorless as being inherently inferior to all DSLRs, because they don't have a prism on top to look through, is pretty darn inane.
I prefer DSLRs. I advise any person a DSLR if asked. That is my opinion as a person who used both.
Once again, what was the last mirrorless you spent any time with? If I had only tried an Oly EPL1 or the first NEXs, and compared them to, say, a D750 or 5DIII, I would have come to the same conclusion....but I would perhaps have spent a little time with a recent model before having those impressions set themselves permanently in stone in my brain, and using them to advise others that mirrorless was and always would be a lousy format.....

-J
The typical DSLR “visitor” to this forum, in defense of the meth user.....all you need to know....

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OK, did you try Panasonic?
According to his posting history, the OP has owned a Panasonic GF3, GX1 and GX7.

He has also owned an Olympus EPL3. EM10 and EM1.

So he has used at least six different M4/3 cameras from both brands. And he was very unhappy with all of them. He also started a few threads complaining about his Canon cameras.

He seems to have a lot of bad luck with his cameras. Lots of quality control issues.....
 
OK, did you try Panasonic?
According to his posting history, the OP has owned a Panasonic GF3, GX1 and GX7.

He has also owned an Olympus EPL3. EM10 and EM1.

So he has used at least six different M4/3 cameras from both brands. And he was very unhappy with all of them. He also started a few threads complaining about his Canon cameras.

He seems to have a lot of bad luck with his cameras. Lots of quality control issues.....

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Maybe the issue is not in the camera...

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OK, did you try Panasonic?
According to his posting history, the OP has owned a Panasonic GF3, GX1 and GX7.

He has also owned an Olympus EPL3. EM10 and EM1.

So he has used at least six different M4/3 cameras from both brands. And he was very unhappy with all of them. He also started a few threads complaining about his Canon cameras.
Also had an EM5, making it at least 7 μ4/3 cameras.
He seems to have a lot of bad luck with his cameras. Lots of quality control issues.....
Does seem to have a dark cloud following him around, at least w.r.t. photography.
 
I have to admit, I never even thought of doing that once, let alone twice.
 
I see no reason to switch over to FUJI. You will not see any image quality upgrade as far as I can tell. Plus you will be spending lots of money on new lenses etc and for what return. If I was going to switch from MFT which I am not. I would be looking at a FF camera to at least make it worth it. For Me MFT is where it is at so I stay.
 
OK, did you try Panasonic?
According to his posting history, the OP has owned a Panasonic GF3, GX1 and GX7.

He has also owned an Olympus EPL3. EM10 and EM1.

So he has used at least six different M4/3 cameras from both brands. And he was very unhappy with all of them. He also started a few threads complaining about his Canon cameras.

He seems to have a lot of bad luck with his cameras. Lots of quality control issues.....

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I believe any modern digital cameras from any brands could produce good images, they are quite reliable as well. If there is any issues, the main cause likely not from the camera itself, but the one behind the camera.
I have been using both E-M1 and PEN-F, and many quality lenses from Olympus. MFT is a perfection solution to meet my needs and satisfies my high expectations on the refineness and craftsmanship for both camera bodies and lenses.

The shutter sound from PEN-F is so sweet, it sounds like from a Leica M3!

 
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