Anyone thinking of 300D?

The included Canon EF-S 18-55mm lens causes too much CA. This is the top left part of a sample pic from DCR using this lens:



James

Caterpillar said:

With the 300D review or previews out from Phil, DCR, and IR, and
with dozens of sample images already posted as to the image quality
and lens performance of the standard kit, anybody in this forum
seriously thinking of getting one?

Two years ago, I paid over U$800 for my DC-4800 (with 128mb CF) and
I spent another U$150 for batteries and an external flash. Now you
can get a 6.3mp dslr for slightly over than that with the same
range as my old dc-4800.

What I found appealing, to my surprise just a few hours ago, was
the 300D was just a tad smaller than the Pentax *ist D! And it is
as light. This means that the 300D is not a burden to carry at all.

Of course I am looking at it seriously not just because of its size
and weight, but it's image quality is really very good at ISOs 400
and will pass the 4R or 5R (5 x 7) prints at ISO 800. Even at ISO
1600, some of the images can still be cleaned up to be passable as
ISO 800 quality. And for U$999 (It is U$1,100 in our country but
that is with VAT already), it is really mighty tempting.

No, I am not trolling here. You guys know my postings as I have
been in here for about 4 months or more already. I just want to
know how the OTF feels about the 300D. It is hard to ignore this
product and will have an impact on us all. Besides, it will
complement or make up for the weaknessess of my c-750. This was why
I said, "thinking," not "switching" to the 300D.

And I am keeping my c-750, with all its limitations! It's still the
most portable to me and it's 10x zoom is a big, big plus. And
because its "pogi" points (that's "handsome" in english) outweighs
it's weak points by a large margin.

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'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'

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I've thought about it seriously. I am seriously thinking about the Oly 740 because of long zoom and macro. I have the money for the Canon and my film camera is a Rebel. My thing is that I tend to stay away from the 1st and sometimes 2nd generation of a new product. I wat as many bugs out of this thing as possible. Not to mention the feature will go up and the price should come down. Not to mention I am not very good at photography and the camera won't make me an Ansel Adams only practice will. You must know how to use your equipment.

Caterpillar said:

With the 300D review or previews out from Phil, DCR, and IR, and
with dozens of sample images already posted as to the image quality
and lens performance of the standard kit, anybody in this forum
seriously thinking of getting one?

Two years ago, I paid over U$800 for my DC-4800 (with 128mb CF) and
I spent another U$150 for batteries and an external flash. Now you
can get a 6.3mp dslr for slightly over than that with the same
range as my old dc-4800.

What I found appealing, to my surprise just a few hours ago, was
the 300D was just a tad smaller than the Pentax *ist D! And it is
as light. This means that the 300D is not a burden to carry at all.

Of course I am looking at it seriously not just because of its size
and weight, but it's image quality is really very good at ISOs 400
and will pass the 4R or 5R (5 x 7) prints at ISO 800. Even at ISO
1600, some of the images can still be cleaned up to be passable as
ISO 800 quality. And for U$999 (It is U$1,100 in our country but
that is with VAT already), it is really mighty tempting.

No, I am not trolling here. You guys know my postings as I have
been in here for about 4 months or more already. I just want to
know how the OTF feels about the 300D. It is hard to ignore this
product and will have an impact on us all. Besides, it will
complement or make up for the weaknessess of my c-750. This was why
I said, "thinking," not "switching" to the 300D.

And I am keeping my c-750, with all its limitations! It's still the
most portable to me and it's 10x zoom is a big, big plus. And
because its "pogi" points (that's "handsome" in english) outweighs
it's weak points by a large margin.

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'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'

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EJM3 said:

I've thought about it seriously. I am seriously thinking about the
Oly 740 because of long zoom and macro. I have the money for the
Canon and my film camera is a Rebel. My thing is that I tend to
stay away from the 1st and sometimes 2nd generation of a new
product. I wat as many bugs out of this thing as possible. Not to
mention the feature will go up and the price should come down. Not
to mention I am not very good at photography and the camera won't
make me an Ansel Adams only practice will. You must know how to
use your equipment.

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It depends on what you consider the 1st generation of the product? Certainly it is at least the 2nd generation (after the 10D), and I would think it is actually the 4th generation (with D30, D60 being the 1st & 2nd generations).

I should of said 1st generation Rebel.

Michael Meissner said:

EJM3 said:

I've thought about it seriously. I am seriously thinking about the
Oly 740 because of long zoom and macro. I have the money for the
Canon and my film camera is a Rebel. My thing is that I tend to
stay away from the 1st and sometimes 2nd generation of a new
product. I wat as many bugs out of this thing as possible. Not to
mention the feature will go up and the price should come down. Not
to mention I am not very good at photography and the camera won't
make me an Ansel Adams only practice will. You must know how to
use your equipment.

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It depends on what you consider the 1st generation of the product?
Certainly it is at least the 2nd generation (after the 10D), and I
would think it is actually the 4th generation (with D30, D60 being
the 1st & 2nd generations).

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After enduring an absolute circus trying to purchase a refurb E20 I'm giving up and jumping ship to the 300D. For basically the same dolars I will get something that I feel will fill my needs for some time to come.

I am not blaming anyone but my E20 saga has turned me off Olympus for now, although I still love and will keep my C2100.

I purchased a refurb E20 from Olympus via ebay on July 17 they shipped it out via fedex to the U.S. / Canada border then Purolator courier from there to Calgary. Unfortnunately it got "lost" between couriers. So we have to wait the appropriate length of time to see if it turns up. Then they have do a search for it. It is determined to have gone missing so they decide to send me another. But they have none in stock and have to wait until they restock the next week. It's all ready to be shipped and we have the "big blackout" in the east. Finally it ships on August 22 and arrives at my door August 28. Woo Hoo I am a happy camper. Open package set everything up and guess what? It doesn't work properly it is overexposing all shots. Next day get it up and running I'm happy again but have no idea what caused the problem. It works until this last Saturday then I use the flash and bang it is back to overexposing everything. Tuesday email Paul at Olympus to let him know, he asks me to talk to a tech. Talk to tech yesterday his immediate response is there is something wrong with the camera send it back. Talk to Paul again they have none in stock again he says I can wait a week or two, or I can have my money back. So I getting my money back, and I'm going to buy a Canon 300D.

It is really no-ones fault just a comedy of errors and I really liked the look and feel of the E20, and I'm sure I would have really loved it, but I'm switching sides for now.

If you're at all interested my sample E20 shots are here:
http://www.pbase.com/hangman/e20

Cheers
Steve
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I will need faster AF speed which a DSLR has over a P&S in about 2 years. In the meantime, the fifty fifty is still good for the task.

EJM3 said:

I've thought about it seriously. I am seriously thinking about the
Oly 740 because of long zoom and macro. I have the money for the
Canon and my film camera is a Rebel. My thing is that I tend to
stay away from the 1st and sometimes 2nd generation of a new
product. I wat as many bugs out of this thing as possible. Not to
mention the feature will go up and the price should come down. Not
to mention I am not very good at photography and the camera won't
make me an Ansel Adams only practice will. You must know how to
use your equipment.

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Good and reasonable strategy. Actually, the 300D can be considered a 3rd or 4th generation dslr, with the D30 being the 1st. So, most of the issues are basically resolved. But you are right also that patience here will pay for itself and waiting a bit more is a the better part of it.

Good luck with your c-740 purchase. That is a good stepping stone to learn photography, at least the digital kind.

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'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'

Steve,

Oooooo! That is terrible! Saw the e20 shots and talk about overexposed! I am sorry for your misfortune!

Well, once you get your 300D, could you please post some pictures? Thanks!

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'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'

Caterpillar said:

Oooooo! That is terrible! Saw the e20 shots and talk about
overexposed! I am sorry for your misfortune!

Well, once you get your 300D, could you please post some pictures?
Thanks!

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Will do of course. I'll have to show off won't I. ;-)

When I talked to the local store they said they were not expecting them until close to the end of the month so I will still have to wait. :-(

Now I'm off to the zoo with my trusty UZI.

Cheers
Stee
http://www.pbase.com/hangman/galleries

... maybe you could salvage those pictures ;-) Man those are some serious over exposures !!! I will really be interested in your impressions of the 300D - I sure am looking at getting one. Sounds like you are doing well.
Bob

Hangman said:

After enduring an absolute circus trying to purchase a refurb E20
I'm giving up and jumping ship to the 300D. For basically the same
dolars I will get something that I feel will fill my needs for some
time to come.

I am not blaming anyone but my E20 saga has turned me off Olympus
for now, although I still love and will keep my C2100.

I purchased a refurb E20 from Olympus via ebay on July 17 they
shipped it out via fedex to the U.S. / Canada border then Purolator
courier from there to Calgary. Unfortnunately it got "lost"
between couriers. So we have to wait the appropriate length of
time to see if it turns up. Then they have do a search for it. It
is determined to have gone missing so they decide to send me
another. But they have none in stock and have to wait until they
restock the next week. It's all ready to be shipped and we have
the "big blackout" in the east. Finally it ships on August 22 and
arrives at my door August 28. Woo Hoo I am a happy camper. Open
package set everything up and guess what? It doesn't work properly
it is overexposing all shots. Next day get it up and running I'm
happy again but have no idea what caused the problem. It works
until this last Saturday then I use the flash and bang it is back
to overexposing everything. Tuesday email Paul at Olympus to let
him know, he asks me to talk to a tech. Talk to tech yesterday his
immediate response is there is something wrong with the camera send
it back. Talk to Paul again they have none in stock again he says
I can wait a week or two, or I can have my money back. So I
getting my money back, and I'm going to buy a Canon 300D.

It is really no-ones fault just a comedy of errors and I really
liked the look and feel of the E20, and I'm sure I would have
really loved it, but I'm switching sides for now.

If you're at all interested my sample E20 shots are here:
http://www.pbase.com/hangman/e20

Cheers
Steve
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caterpillar said:

Then 2004 is the best time to really consider things seriously.
That's when everybody else has come out with their counter to the
300D. Olympus will have their E-1 and we will known by then how it
pans out. So with the *istD, and maybe Nikon's D70. In this way,
you can see the options more clearly and decide wisely which one to pick.

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Couldn't agree more.

caterpillar said:

I also think that manufacturer's must begin considering using
larger sensors and the use of phase detection for AF for the next
generation P&S.

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I wholeheartedly agree with phase detection, those contrast detection AF systems are notorious for ridiculously slow performance and difficulties under low light. Larger sensors might seem one-way road for noise performance today but body size will be increased accordingly and that worries me a lot. If they could improve noise at 1/1.8 sensors! Imagine a C5050 with ISO800 noise as little as in ISO64 now! That would be a dream. Then, camera shake wouldn't be an issue in most cases.

caterpillar said:

So, you are Panasonic, or you are a Sony, and your
forte is not lenses; so why not get the best parts that give it an
edge and use it?

Think about solving the problems of noise by using the D100's
sensor or something similar, with phase detection in a fixed lens
system and offer this at U$700 on a 28-100mm range. Or if that is
too difficult, a 38-114mm.

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Fixed lens systems are great imo but they cannot compete today. People want the opportunity to change lens, even if they will never use that feature. That is sad and limits our choices to a great extent.

caterpillar said:

I am not sure if that will have a market, but when you think about
it, what is the next wave of improvement for the p&s? IS? The
c-740/750 and the m700, 6490, Fz1/Fz2, etc have shown you don't
have to have IS to sell well. Pushing it to 5-6mp or even 8mp for
P&S? The lackluster performance of the G5 or the Oly C50 shows
that pixel count is not that a source of competitive advantage. So
with adding raw capabilities, panaroma stitching, histogram, etc.
These are cosmetic incremental innovations.

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I agree, except for raw & histogram but, anyway, the latter are well-established features. So what is left is, as you said, the sensor output quality and AF system. I would add lens distortions (ca & barrel dist. are unacceptable for any compact camera).

caterpillar said:

But the 2 most pet peeve of P&S'ers have not been adressed, AF-
speed & accuracy; and image quality. These are the same qualities
that basically attract many to dslrs.

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Correct.

caterpillar said:

I am stabbing in the air here, but if we really look at the
features that matters most, these are the two most important once
that needs to be solved. The SLR side is only incidental to this.

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I agree again. I think the majority of dslr users are not attracted from the framing capability, they choose dslr because of the image quality and the action photography capabilities.

caterpillar said:

Consider this: Would you buy a DC with a fast AF and an image
quality of a D100 or 300D (ISO 400-800 clean) even if there is no
mirror that slaps out of the way, but instead using a EVF/LCD or
optical finder, in a 38-105mm (converted to 135) lens, f2.8-4.5,
no IS, with the rest of the function similar to a typical p&S, for
U$700? Is this possible? Is this reasonable?

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Probably I would buy it the next day, if the body would be not larger than a C5050. With the current sensor technology, that is impossible. Can they improve small sensors? In the long term, I am sure the answer is yes. Anyway, returning to your original question above, it is still reasonable (E-10/20 success is the proof). But, I am afraid that the masses will go for the 300D-like format, since "changing lens" and "the bigger the better" will sell very well.
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I sure am thinking about the 300D, but I'm in no rush. The thing that ticks me off with this camera isn't the dimmer viewfinder than the 10D, it's not the smaller buffer size, it's not the build quility or color. It's the fact that Canon dumbed down the firmware when there was no reason to but to make it lesser than the 10D.

If they release a firmware upgrade to enable more control over focusing and metering in the non creative zones (like M, P, A, and so on, then I will consider it for the pricetag. If I'm going the DSLR route, I don't want a camera that is limiting me. I want the most flexibility as possible within a good pricerange. I want to keep my first DSLR for at least 3 years. I'd rather wait until spring and get a 10D for around $1000 than get a 300D now that hasn't been tested and has been intentionally castrated in the firmware. Of course if the 300D is around $800 around spring time with the 18-55, and I like what I see, then I might make a move.

Don't get me wrong. The 300D looks to be a great camera with a great price and great size with a great packaged lens (for the $100 price). But to limit the metering and focusing even in manual mode (I can see in the creative dummy modes doing this) blows my mind. Until they offer a fix for this, I will stand pat with my noisy as heck C3000Z and C700. ; )

As for the lenses, I think Canon is the maker to invest into. Nikon makes good glass, but it's not as available or as common. Minolta could release a DSLR with IS on the CMOS sensor, and I woudn't be as interested. Not enough lenses to support. I'll never support 4/3 because I will never be able to find it up here in Canada.

Canon L glass really is amazing glass. You can also get some great lenses like the 50mm 1.8 for like $80. I'm personally looking at the 200 2.8L USM which has amazing sharpness throughout. Add a 1.4X, and it smokes my C700 for sharpness, CA, and detail. : )

Anyways, I'm going to wait. I'll let the dust settle, and probably wait until spring and get a 10D.

brianos 2.1

Caterpillar said:

With the 300D review or previews out from Phil, DCR, and IR, and
with dozens of sample images already posted as to the image quality
and lens performance of the standard kit, anybody in this forum
seriously thinking of getting one?

Two years ago, I paid over U$800 for my DC-4800 (with 128mb CF) and
I spent another U$150 for batteries and an external flash. Now you
can get a 6.3mp dslr for slightly over than that with the same
range as my old dc-4800.

What I found appealing, to my surprise just a few hours ago, was
the 300D was just a tad smaller than the Pentax *ist D! And it is
as light. This means that the 300D is not a burden to carry at all.

Of course I am looking at it seriously not just because of its size
and weight, but it's image quality is really very good at ISOs 400
and will pass the 4R or 5R (5 x 7) prints at ISO 800. Even at ISO
1600, some of the images can still be cleaned up to be passable as
ISO 800 quality. And for U$999 (It is U$1,100 in our country but
that is with VAT already), it is really mighty tempting.

No, I am not trolling here. You guys know my postings as I have
been in here for about 4 months or more already. I just want to
know how the OTF feels about the 300D. It is hard to ignore this
product and will have an impact on us all. Besides, it will
complement or make up for the weaknessess of my c-750. This was why
I said, "thinking," not "switching" to the 300D.

And I am keeping my c-750, with all its limitations! It's still the
most portable to me and it's 10x zoom is a big, big plus. And
because its "pogi" points (that's "handsome" in english) outweighs
it's weak points by a large margin.

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'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'

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I'd sell all my stuff to purchase a 300D as well.... but the market value of my Pentax ME-Super bodies is about $110 each. Hmm.... 3x$110 is nowhere CLOSE to what I need to get that EOS. Darn it!

In any case I'd keep the 2040z as a pocket "point 'n' shoot"... but I sure like the looks of the 300D. For some reason, though, my wife doesn't think that $1000 for a new camera sounds like "a good deal".

-Charles

...with both of you, Bill and Kim.

It's very similar to how the pc business have been for some years. Capasities rising and prices dropping very fast. I'll wait too. But at some point I'll go for a dslr, and be very aware that the next day or so the price will drop further, or there will be a better model on the market for the sam price as the one I got. That's life folks ;-)

Kim R said:

Bill Huber said:

I will keep snapping away with the old UZI and E-10 for a while and
just see what happens with all the others coming out in the next
year or two.

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Kim R said:

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I'm giving the 300D some serious thought it won't be until the end of the year before I do any purchasing. My primary reason for upgrading from the C-2100 is that a couple of galleries would like to display some of my shots and 8 x 10's just don't cut it. I was a Canon film SLR user before going digital...

There has been some comment regarding the disabled firmware between the 300D and that of the 10D, this I feel is strictly marketing to protect current 10D sales. If any serious competition to the 300D shows up on the market I'd expect to see a firmware upgrade for new cameras and an upgrade kit for existing ones (like Minolta did with the Di7), Canon's firmware is user upgradeable unlike Oly's

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Dimitrios said:

Dimitrios said:

But the 2 most pet peeve of P&S'ers have not been adressed, AF-
speed & accuracy; and image quality. These are the same qualities
that basically attract many to dslrs.

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Correct.

Dimitrios said:

I am stabbing in the air here, but if we really look at the
features that matters most, these are the two most important once
that needs to be solved. The SLR side is only incidental to this.

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I agree again. I think the majority of dslr users are not attracted
from the framing capability, they choose dslr because of the image
quality and the action photography capabilities.

Dimitrios said:

Consider this: Would you buy a DC with a fast AF and an image
quality of a D100 or 300D (ISO 400-800 clean) even if there is no
mirror that slaps out of the way, but instead using a EVF/LCD or
optical finder, in a 38-105mm (converted to 135) lens, f2.8-4.5,
no IS, with the rest of the function similar to a typical p&S, for
U$700? Is this possible? Is this reasonable?

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Probably I would buy it the next day, if the body would be not
larger than a C5050. With the current sensor technology, that is

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Now, that will probably be hard to do. Once they use larger sensors like the APS sizes, lens sizes will grow and it will be difficult to keep things in as big as the c-5050.

Dimitrios said:

impossible. Can they improve small sensors? In the long term, I am
sure the answer is yes. Anyway, returning to your original question
above, it is still reasonable (E-10/20 success is the proof). But,

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As for getting the best out of 1/1.8" sensor size at 5mp or higher, well so far, except maybe Sony's V1 had it really hard keeping those CA under control. Unless somebody comes up with some new technology, it will be hard to get around those limits. To date, the way to go really in getting quality especially when you crank up the ISOs is to increase the sensor size.

There's going to be exception to this. Part of the solution will have to be placed on software and support chips as well. I've seen some sample photos of the Minolta A1, and at least the pre-production model is still noisy. And this is using a 2/3" sensor. So, it's really not just a matter of plugging in a larger sensor. Much work has to be done. It will be interesting how Sony's 2/3" 8mp turns out in the product 828.

Dimitrios said:

I am afraid that the masses will go for the 300D-like format, since
"changing lens" and "the bigger the better" will sell very well.

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Changing lenses will not be everybody's cup of tea. Actually, Dimitrios, I find it funny, how fixed lense defenders put up the concern of cleaning the sensor with DSLRs and making a big thing out of it. If you ask me, for those who do not want to clean their sensor (which is not often with CMOS sensors compared to CCD), the solution is simple -- get one lens that does you good (e.g. a Tamron 28-200mm xr) and leave it in the camera. Don't change lenses!

If you are going to complain about that XR lens as being substandard compared to EF lenses, well what can you expect with that range? But that lens or even their 28-300mm XR is OK for general photography and in good light. But isn't that the kind of performance that most "prosumer" camera's give? Now that 28-200/300 XR with a 300D body will proaably set you back U$1,200-1,300.

The way to go would be for a two-lens kit say a Tokina 19-35, and a Canon 55-200mm for the budget conscious. Or if one likes a bit more quality but loose a bit on the wide side, but get to equivalent of 200mm like the 717 or 828, go for the EF 28-135mm IS. But then again, the point is, you can more or less cover the range and get decent output if simply you don't want to change lenses. Having a exchangeable lens system gives you an option to change your lenses, but you don't really have to if you don't want to.

In any case, the paradigm really changes a bit. With a changeable lens system, the lens itself is the center of attention. The body will change in time, but the lenses remain the same, that is if you want to get the best out of 6mp or more. With fixed lens system, you have no choice but to change both lenses body. In 2 years, when camera bodies hit the U$500 range (I bet the 300D will be selling for that), owning good lenses will begin to look sensible. It would be smarter to get a good U$800-1,000 single do-all lens (for those who really don't like 2-and-above lens kits) and just upgrade the body through the years.

Well, this is what the 300D has done. It has changed, not just the pricing of cameras, but how we probably will have to view our dslr investment.

Dimitrios said:

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or an equivalente model.

I was a film SLR user. I bought one 750 a couple of months ago. First I get a litle trouble but thanks to the forum and Casterpillar's tips I very happy with the camera now.

I love the freedom to shoot with the digital, no wait for the lab, etc. but I miss a lot the SLR. I miss the fast autofocus, the viewfinder and the "feeling". But I want "control", sadly for me the 300d is to much "automatic" for my taste. I want control especially the exposure method and the type of autofocus then I saving and waiting for lower prices.

Regards
Luis

Hangman said:

Caterpillar said:

Oooooo! That is terrible! Saw the e20 shots and talk about
overexposed! I am sorry for your misfortune!

Well, once you get your 300D, could you please post some pictures?
Thanks!

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Will do of course. I'll have to show off won't I. ;-)

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That's one type of bragging I am looking forward to!!

AltaChinook said:

When I talked to the local store they said they were not expecting
them until close to the end of the month so I will still have to
wait. :-(

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In our country, they will be available on the 18th. Now, that's less than 2 weeks from now. They are usually on the dot, so I expect this to happen. Unless there are limited supplies in your area, I believe this 18th thing will be the same for all over the world. Canon wants to get the most impact by releasing at the same time. So, I suggest you start building a tent outside the store tomorrow

AltaChinook said:

Now I'm off to the zoo with my trusty UZI.

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Looking forward to the pictures there too!

AltaChinook said:

Cheers
Stee
http://www.pbase.com/hangman/galleries

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Brianos 2.0 said:

I sure am thinking about the 300D, but I'm in no rush. The thing
that ticks me off with this camera isn't the dimmer viewfinder than
the 10D, it's not the smaller buffer size, it's not the build
quility or color. It's the fact that Canon dumbed down the firmware
when there was no reason to but to make it lesser than the 10D.

If they release a firmware upgrade to enable more control over
focusing and metering in the non creative zones (like M, P, A, and
so on, then I will consider it for the pricetag. If I'm going the
DSLR route, I don't want a camera that is limiting me. I want the
most flexibility as possible within a good pricerange. I want to
keep my first DSLR for at least 3 years. I'd rather wait until
spring and get a 10D for around $1000 than get a 300D now that
hasn't been tested and has been intentionally castrated in the
firmware. Of course if the 300D is around $800 around spring time
with the 18-55, and I like what I see, then I might make a move.

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That may be tougb by Spring. But it may be possible summer. I believe by next year the 300D can be had for around U$800-850 with lens. By that time, I am sure an 8mp 10D will be announced if not being sold already. By summer next year, the 10D will be 1.5 years old, and Canon would just love to stick it to the followers by introducing a "better" model than their competitors.

s k u l p t118025 said:

Don't get me wrong. The 300D looks to be a great camera with a
great price and great size with a great packaged lens (for the $100
price). But to limit the metering and focusing even in manual mode
(I can see in the creative dummy modes doing this) blows my mind.
Until they offer a fix for this, I will stand pat with my noisy as
heck C3000Z and C700. ; )

As for the lenses, I think Canon is the maker to invest into. Nikon
makes good glass, but it's not as available or as common. Minolta
could release a DSLR with IS on the CMOS sensor, and I woudn't be
as interested. Not enough lenses to support. I'll never support 4/3
because I will never be able to find it up here in Canada.

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In our country, 2nd hand Canon lenses are much harder to find and more expensive (though that gap is closing) because there are more Nikon owners here. Maybe that is going to change soon.

s k u l p t118025 said:

Canon L glass really is amazing glass. You can also get some great
lenses like the 50mm 1.8 for like $80. I'm personally looking at
the 200 2.8L USM which has amazing sharpness throughout. Add a
1.4X, and it smokes my C700 for sharpness, CA, and detail. : )

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But isn't that the a tad big? Oh, well, I guess you are willing to go for quality images so that heft and weight would be 2ndary.

s k u l p t118025 said:

Anyways, I'm going to wait. I'll let the dust settle, and probably
wait until spring and get a 10D.

brianos 2.1

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Good move.

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theponja said:

or an equivalente model.
I was a film SLR user. I bought one 750 a couple of months ago.
First I get a litle trouble but thanks to the forum and
Casterpillar's tips I very happy with the camera now.

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You're welcome! This is coming from this furry one!

theponja said:

I love the freedom to shoot with the digital, no wait for the lab,
etc. but I miss a lot the SLR. I miss the fast autofocus, the
viewfinder and the "feeling". But I want "control", sadly for me

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Me too. After 2 years in digital, it is still a chore for me to mentally adjust to factoring in always the shutter or AF lag whenever I shoot action shots. I do a separate adjustment for my dc-4800 and a separate mental/psyc adjustment in timing for my c-750. You have to constantly remind yourself that you have to be this tad faster in anticipating for that action shot because you have this lag. The c-750s EVF slight delay adds to this overall delay too. Man, a dslr really is the way to go. I just wish that if they ever introuduce a c-810 that they use phase detection instead of contrast detection.

theponja said:

the 300d is to much "automatic" for my taste. I want control
especially the exposure method and the type of autofocus then I
saving and waiting for lower prices.

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Have you considered getting a D30? If you can get one for about U$500-600, maybe it will be a good interim solution. It's not a 10D or 300D in AF, but its AF is still going to be 1 warp speed away from our Oly c-750. You'd save money to, and not feel too bad as next year the 300D will dip to U$750-800.

theponja said:

Regards
Luis

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