Has anyone decided not to get a 300D after Phil's review?

break_even · Sep 5, 2003

Consider a 10D instead?
Consider a proconsumer instead?
Consider another dSLR?

The review reinforced my decision to get a Rebel =)

Makinations · Sep 5, 2003

The reviews really highlighted what I'm giving up by going with the 300D.

The only three real issues for me were no FEC, AI focusing and the iffy white balancing.

I think I can cope with (if not like) the AI focusing stuff. (If I can cope with my P&S' focusing I can cope with the 300D's.)The white balance issue was new. I hope it is better in production.

FEC might be a problem. But then I have it on my canon EOS A2 (Anyone want to buy a Minolta Scan Dual III?) and I don't use it THAT often. I do use it, tho.

In exchange for those three items I get to use all the canon lenses, flashes and whatnot that I've accumillated for my A2.

For me there were no show stoppers.

Hopefully by the time the 300D becomes obsolete the $600 price difference between it and the 10D will pay for a much better digital than either.

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Todd B. · Sep 5, 2003

I think it was an excellent review. I truly would love the 10D except too much money right now. The 300D is probably for me. I currently have the G3 and it has limitations compared to the 300D. It's a nice camera and I am not knocking it. I won't go prosumer now. The faster focus and the ability to shoot at a higher and almost noise free ISO kills the prosumer for me.

Todd

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thang · Sep 5, 2003

I Was heavily considering the 300D. But after the review and careful reading of the user's manual, I have decided to save for the 10D or its replacement instead.

I do alot of indoor shooting and I like the ability to lock the shutter speed to my desired number instead of having the camera automatically kicks in the slowest the shutter to balance the ambient against the flash. Second, I like the capability of setting my camera set in manual mode with any shutter speed and aperture combination, have the 550EX in ETTL mode then let the camera and flash balance out the flash for me. Apparently the 300D does not have any of the above features. I can do that with the 10D, Elan, EOS 3... but not with the Rebel.

Furthermore, I do lots of macro photography and the 300D doesn't have mirror lockup. This would not be a big deal except that Phil's review mentioned that the mirror slap is loud and does vibrate the camera some.
Therefore, the Rebel is out for me.

In the meantime, I am using the G3 and that should be sufficient for now. However, I do sincerely miss the fast AF response and the low ISO noise on the DSLR though.

Thang.

Jeremy Rosenberger · Sep 5, 2003

While Phil's review was excellent (as always), it didn't contain any surprises. For the most part, the capabilities (and limitations) of the camera were already well known and discussed at length in this very forum. The camera was already known to be essentially a de-featured 10D. Phil's review (and the other reviews now available) only confirm what was already suspected or reiterate what was already known.

That's not to say the reviews aren't useful--they are--but I would dare say that anyone who changed their mind about the 300D after reading any of these reviews hasn't been paying attention.

Cheers,
Jeremy

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QL · Sep 5, 2003

The biggest issue that bothers me with 300D is the shuttle lag. It's shuttle lag is almost two times longer than that of 10D. As a comparison, Nikon 828, which is a P&S camera, has 2-fold longer shuttle lag than 300D. Is the two-fold improvement over P&S camera good enough? I had expected to see a quantum jump in terms of shuttle lag improvement. I have never used DSLR camera. Do peole still feel suttle lag problem with DSLR such as 10D?

Leonard H · Sep 5, 2003

The lack of certain controls (and even worse, the fact they were purposely "defeatured") makes the 300D unattractive to me. I originally was thinking about getting this camera for long exposure images, but I rather get a 10D. I am going to wait until Nikon's affordable camera is introduced, probably end of this year. I hope they don't "defeature" controls like Canon chose to.

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Leonard H · Sep 5, 2003

Unless you're a pro, the 10D's shutter lag will be more then adequete, and IMO quite impressive if you're accustomed to P&S digicams.

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Jeremy Rosenberger · Sep 5, 2003

I'm a little bit puzzled by some parts of your response.

Isn't this just shutter-priority (Tv) mode?

And isn't this just manual exposure (M) mode? (The 300D does support E-TTL, so if this is what E-TTL can do, then I don't see why the 300D can't.)

Here you have a point--if you need MLU, the 300D is not for you.

Cheers,
Jeremy

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JLS Photo · Sep 5, 2003

Although I was seriously considering the 300D, I simply don't want to give up some of the AF settings, etc.

So, I ended up ordering a 10D this morning.

Jack Michaud · Sep 5, 2003

I don't know about that. There certainly was a lot of hand-wringing here over the AF stuff, and Phil's review laid that to rest, if you ask me. Previously I thought it might be a deal-breaker for me, but now it's nearly a non-issue. I was quite comforted by Phil's statements about the AF.

And Thang, what are you smoking, mon? The camera has full and partial manual modes, so what's the problem?
-Jack

DavidP #28649 · Sep 5, 2003

Assuming that Nikon introduces a low-end DSLR to compete with the 300D, I feel pretty sure that they'll defeat some of the features.

The best analogue, though, would be to look at Nikon's low-end film SLR's. What features are they missing relative to say the F100?

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eddie anton · Sep 5, 2003

I was waiting for Phil's review before making my decision, and now I'm still not sure. I'm leaning 60/40 towards the 10D. I did not buy the 10D because of the Soft image that it produced, but after Phil's review explaining the Default Sharpness settings on both cameras and why softer is better, I am leaning towards the 10D
Eddie

Percy Cheng · Sep 5, 2003

I'm the one, I was waiting for Phil's review until about 3 o'clock yesterday in my region. Before I though the major difference between 10D and 300D

were just lower frame rate, plastic body...etc, but after that I knew we could not choose metering,and many other customizable feature was reduced, also, noise level was higher than 10D too. So I went to buy a 10D
earlier today. How wonder that many shops had no stocks already.

Makinations · Sep 5, 2003

I thought the white balancing being inferior (at this point) to the 10D was surprising.

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clayge · Sep 5, 2003

nope, quiet the opposite.

I have decided to get the 300D instead of 10D even with some flaws, many thanks to Phil who clarifies most of the "shortcomings". Well, they are indeed can be fixed by the end-users.

Spiky · Sep 5, 2003

Ditto here. 10th anniversary present sometime this fall!!

Tom Obszanski50651 · Sep 5, 2003

I'm still undecided.

I currently use an Olympus E-10, great feel but slow and relatively noisy. Either of the Canon cameras would be a big step up imagewise, however the 10D would probably have a better feel coming from the E-10.

I have an excellent local camera store (Dan's Camera City in Allentown, PA) where I'll be able to handle both at the same time - that's where I'll make my decision (and purchase of at least the body). Reviews are good, however for something as important as a dSLR body purchase I want to handle the potentials before any purchase.

padeye99656 · Sep 5, 2003

The only thing that has put me off is the loud shutter slap noise. I'm in no big hurry and probably won't get my DSLR until year's end so I'm still open.

Phredd · Sep 5, 2003

I was hoping that I'd be satisfied with the 300D so I could have a smaller and lighter camera compared to the 10D. While the 300D is clearly a fantastic camera, there are too many "little things" (frame rate, buffer size, focus mode control, mirror lock, shutter lag, lens distortion) that I've decided to stick with the 10D. I know that I wouldn't have to use the 18-55, but it's the combination of the 300D with the 18-55 that gives the significant weight savings.

Fred

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