Helios 44 - 2 with 16 blades

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Hi, I recently bought a Helios 44-2 and I’m really loving it but it’s not in the best condition. So I thought about upgrading it and while searching on eBay I found one in a silver like finish with 16 blades.

Any comments on this?



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It looks like a 'parts bin' lens using good bits from a number of otherwise not so good lenses. The end result might be good or might be rubbish. Not sure where they've got the 16 blade aperture from but it's not original.

Personally, I'd prefer a good original silver 44 which came with 'only' 13 blades. They're often available for about the same price
 
I appreciate the advice. I’ll look for one of those.

It looks like a 'parts bin' lens using good bits from a number of otherwise not so good lenses. The end result might be good or might be rubbish. Not sure where they've got the 16 blade aperture from but it's not original.

Personally, I'd prefer a good original silver 44 which came with 'only' 13 blades. They're often available for about the same price

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Just checking about the web - it seems that the early Helios-44 was 13 blades and silver and the later Helios 44-2 was 8 blades and painted black.

I have a number of beat up Helios 44 and 44-2 lenses - they all seem to be 8 bladers.

But there were so many versions of the Helios 44 that it is hard to keep track.

From the look of this lens it seems polished and maybe it is a sort of hybrid built up from other parts?
 
Yeah, I’m starting to see so many different kinds that I’m becoming is skeptical. I like the one I have and if it was as simple as just buying one in better condition I wouldn’t worry but now I’m afraid I may get a different lens altogether and I like the way the one I have performs.
 
Yeah, I’m starting to see so many different kinds that I’m becoming is skeptical. I like the one I have and if it was as simple as just buying one in better condition I wouldn’t worry but now I’m afraid I may get a different lens altogether and I like the way the one I have performs.
There are a number of different versions, much discussed on this forum in older posts.

I have a few versions but my favourite is an old beat-up and scratched silver 44 which just takes great photos.

If you like what you've already got then just enjoy it. Pretty cosmetics won't make any difference to your photos ;-)
 
Damn your logic! 😝

Yeah, I’m starting to see so many different kinds that I’m becoming is skeptical. I like the one I have and if it was as simple as just buying one in better condition I wouldn’t worry but now I’m afraid I may get a different lens altogether and I like the way the one I have performs.
There are a number of different versions, much discussed on this forum in older posts.

I have a few versions but my favourite is an old beat-up and scratched silver 44 which just takes great photos.

If you like what you've already got then just enjoy it. Pretty cosmetics won't make any difference to your photos ;-)

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/simonol/
 
Pretty cosmetics won't make any difference to your photos ;-)
A beaten up POS of an optically good lens will go places that one you're afraid of getting wet/dirty/stolen will. They're also less intimidating to have pointed at you. Arguably, lenses with good cosmetics will take fewer good photos than ones without :-D
 
I’ll Admit cosmetics was a factor originally but the greater number of blades is the key thought behind the upgrade now.
 
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Pretty cosmetics won't make any difference to your photos ;-)
A beaten up POS of an optically good lens will go places that one you're afraid of getting wet/dirty/stolen will. They're also less intimidating to have pointed at you. Arguably, lenses with good cosmetics will take fewer good photos than ones without :-D
Beat me to that point :-)
 
I’ll Admit cosmetics was a factor originally but the greater number of blades is the key thought behind the upgrade now.
I'm trying to think where they could have sourced a 16-blade aperture from - not that many lenses have that number although older Zeiss Jena Biotars (on which the Helios 44 is based) had 17 blades.

I wonder if they've somehow modified the original 8 blades mechanism by adding another 8 blades somehow.

The original 44 13 blade mechanism is nice enough. Originality matters more to me than cosmetics though ;-)
 
I’m leaning towards a 13 blade now

I’ll Admit cosmetics was a factor originally but the greater number of blades is the key thought behind the upgrade now.
I'm trying to think where they could have sourced a 16-blade aperture from - not that many lenses have that number although older Zeiss Jena Biotars (on which the Helios 44 is based) had 17 blades.

I wonder if they've somehow modified the original 8 blades mechanism by adding another 8 blades somehow.

The original 44 13 blade mechanism is nice enough. Originality matters more to me than cosmetics though ;-)

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/simonol/
 
I’m leaning towards a 13 blade now
Beyond about 8 blades they number of blades is hard to count just looking through the lens. I would not discount that a 16-blader exists but the information on the web suggests that 13-bladers were the original number which were (presumably) updated to 8-blades in later made versions.

Of my grunge lenses - a mixture of H-44 and H-44-2 they are all 8-blades.
I’ll Admit cosmetics was a factor originally but the greater number of blades is the key thought behind the upgrade now.
I'm trying to think where they could have sourced a 16-blade aperture from - not that many lenses have that number although older Zeiss Jena Biotars (on which the Helios 44 is based) had 17 blades.

I wonder if they've somehow modified the original 8 blades mechanism by adding another 8 blades somehow.

The original 44 13 blade mechanism is nice enough. Originality matters more to me than cosmetics though ;-)
 
Hi, I recently bought a Helios 44-2 and I’m really loving it but it’s not in the best condition. So I thought about upgrading it and while searching on eBay I found one in a silver like finish with 16 blades.

Any comments on this?
For those wondering, Retro Photo House posted a video on Youtube (from 18 Nov. 2016) of this very lens, though no mention if it is an original prototype, but mentions a modification he made to prevent mirrors on SLRs hitting the back. He posts a lot of great videos on restoring and maintaining old Russian lenses, such as how to disassemble, clean lenses and relube helicoid.


It is presumably a custom job, he said it is one of a kind in his listing, plus he mentioned KMZ, but the logo on the front is Valdai, but if it works well, it would be a great addition to a collection! Would love to try it out.

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Just had a look on eBay. Another 16-blade Zebra 44-2 is currently up for sale from a different seller, with a different serial, but also starting in 81. Seller has 0 rep.
 

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