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How difficult is it to manually focus a D7500? I am looking at possibly purchasing one and am wondering how well it would work with some of the Voigtlander AI-S lenses.

I am looking at creating a travel kit for the camera and one of the options is a set of primes including the Voigtlander 20mm F3.5, Nikon 35mm F1.8, Nikon 60mm F2.8 and the Voitlander 90mm F3.5.
 
I have a D7200 (pretty similar to the 7500) and I find accurate manual focussing almost impossible with the viewfinder - the image just isn't big enough to be able to achieve a fine focus. Luckily, though, there is an easy to to do it: turn on "Live View" (where you see an image on the camera's screen), zoom in on it by pressing the magnifying glass button, and it's then very easy to see when you're focussed correctly.

Chris
 
I have a D7200 (pretty similar to the 7500) and I find accurate manual focussing almost impossible with the viewfinder - the image just isn't big enough to be able to achieve a fine focus. Luckily, though, there is an easy to to do it: turn on "Live View" (where you see an image on the camera's screen), zoom in on it by pressing the magnifying glass button, and it's then very easy to see when you're focussed correctly.

Chris
I would echo what Chris says but add you can also get a shade for the rear LCD which in addition to screening it from sunlight (when it is near unusable) also has a magnifying function which makes manual focusing a breeze. It is also great for video.


If you do decide to get one, do your research carefully as there are several badge engineered versions of exactly the same product and which have widely varying prices - some are double those of others !
 
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How difficult is it to manually focus a D7500? I am looking at possibly purchasing one and am wondering how well it would work with some of the Voigtlander AI-S lenses.

I am looking at creating a travel kit for the camera and one of the options is a set of primes including the Voigtlander 20mm F3.5, Nikon 35mm F1.8, Nikon 60mm F2.8 and the Voitlander 90mm F3.5.
Hi,

When in manual focus mode, you can use the focus confirmation indicator ( green dot when focus ok ) in the viewfinder.
 
How difficult is it to manually focus a D7500? I am looking at possibly purchasing one and am wondering how well it would work with some of the Voigtlander AI-S lenses.

I am looking at creating a travel kit for the camera and one of the options is a set of primes including the Voigtlander 20mm F3.5, Nikon 35mm F1.8, Nikon 60mm F2.8 and the Voitlander 90mm F3.5.
I find MF usable, although it's of course slower. I have owned ML and having LV is not as nice as it seems depending on the lighting. While LV gives a nice gain boost on a screen, it gets grainy in LL and isn't all that easy to see sharp edges. I find an OVF is sharper to the eye, but then it's smaller overall.

To fix this i bought an OVF magnifier and it works pretty well. I would really like it on a larger FF OVF but for now, it's still doable on my D7000 which is about equal to a D7500. The OVF addon i bought is this one.



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There are several others out there, i suggest looking for user reviews. I find the 1.6x zoom makes the view plenty big but it becomes a little harder to see the corners all at once without pressing your face in pretty tight. Luckily it comes with a nice rubber eye padding so it's nice and comfortable. If you wear glasses you will need to use a lower mag for sure.

Some of the other brands have less magnification but supposedly have sharper optics. I find the one above to have decent optics, good enough for me to see the focal plane and make MF usable.

Again, i have used ML cameras which people tend to prefer for manual focusing, i happen to find this OVF setup easier to use (more responsive, no noise, and no pixel blur in low light when motion is present). Here are a couple shots of me practicing around the house using a full manual Nikon 55mm f3.5 with the eye mag. Note the 2nd one is my son who isn't quite 2 yet so he doesn't stand still for long yet i still got his face in focus.

MF is tough in general but even with DSLRs, aids like the magnifiers really help.



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One last thing. The focusing screens in DSLRs won't show true DOF thinner than a lens set to f2.8, so if you use a lens at f1.8, you still only see it's f2.8 DOF. To get a true DOF shown in the OVF with faster aperture settings, you have to buy a 3rd party focusing screen like KatzEye. I personally just stick to f2.8 or slower when using MF.
 
One last thing. The focusing screens in DSLRs won't show true DOF thinner than a lens set to f2.8, so if you use a lens at f1.8, you still only see it's f2.8 DOF. To get a true DOF shown in the OVF with faster aperture settings, you have to buy a 3rd party focusing screen like KatzEye. I personally just stick to f2.8 or slower when using MF.
As I understand it, unlike the D7000/7100/7200, the D7500 has no OVF DOF preview.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/the-d7500-blog/the-cheese-has-been-removed.html

The D7500 also loses the ability to meter with non-chipped MF lenses.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/the-d7500-blog/old-manual-focus-lenses-on.html

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How good is your vision? Mine is fair after two cataract surgeries.

Accurate manual focus on my 7200 is difficult if not impossible through the view finder and using live view is clunky shooting hand held.

Shooting birds handheld, I try to compensate by shooting with a high f stop for greater depth of field but that is imperfect particularly in low light or when pleasing bokeh is desired.

I am working on mastering auto focus and planning to upgrade lenses which don't auto focus very well. I pass on shooting little birds in distant trees because nothing autofocuses on them very well. Unless I was shooting only static subjects, I would not consider manual focus lenses.
 
How good is your vision? Mine is fair after two cataract surgeries.

Accurate manual focus on my 7200 is difficult if not impossible through the view finder and using live view is clunky shooting hand held.

Shooting birds handheld, I try to compensate by shooting with a high f stop for greater depth of field but that is imperfect particularly in low light or when pleasing bokeh is desired.

I am working on mastering auto focus and planning to upgrade lenses which don't auto focus very well. I pass on shooting little birds in distant trees because nothing autofocuses on them very well. Unless I was shooting only static subjects, I would not consider manual focus lenses.
Not very good. I either wear glasses or use the diopter adjustment on the camera.

I have some older AI-S lenses that I bought over the years. I am trying to decide whether I should sell them or keep them. They are not worth very much and its fun to go out sometimes without a meter and using manual focus.

I always laugh when I see cameras being rated for bird photography. The photo is always a large bird (heron, duck, eagle, or hawk) either flying against a clear sky or sitting on a tree. Most of my bird photography is of warblers, vireos, or sparrows in alder thickets or high up in trees. Small birds in a very busy environment.

I am looking at either the D7500 or the Panasonic G85. The G85 is not a camera for birds in flight but it has a pinpoint focus capability that may be good for the birds in the thicket. Continuous focus doesn't matter to me because I never get a chance to follow the birds. They appear in an opening of a thicket and then they are gone.

I did look at the D500 but weight is important to me. I am thinking about getting the New AF-S 300 E lens as its only 755g. A D7500, teleconverter, and the AF-S 300 P weighs 1585g (3 pounds 8 oz). Using the 1.3x mode, it gives me a 820mm F5.6 lens with a 12MB image which is fine for my purposes. The G85 with the Panasonic 100-400 is 1490g.
 
Not sure if this helps, but the D5XXX and D3XXX come with "electronic rangefinder" to assist with manual focus, as well as the confirmation dot (except does not work in M mode). I think the D7XXX just have the confirmation dot plus left/right arrow? If you end up using live view you may be better off with D5500/5600 as it has the 3.2" lcd screen, with smaller body.
 
How good is your vision? Mine is fair after two cataract surgeries.

Accurate manual focus on my 7200 is difficult if not impossible through the view finder and using live view is clunky shooting hand held.

Shooting birds handheld, I try to compensate by shooting with a high f stop for greater depth of field but that is imperfect particularly in low light or when pleasing bokeh is desired.

I am working on mastering auto focus and planning to upgrade lenses which don't auto focus very well. I pass on shooting little birds in distant trees because nothing autofocuses on them very well. Unless I was shooting only static subjects, I would not consider manual focus lenses.
Not very good. I either wear glasses or use the diopter adjustment on the camera.

I have some older AI-S lenses that I bought over the years. I am trying to decide whether I should sell them or keep them. They are not worth very much and its fun to go out sometimes without a meter and using manual focus.

I always laugh when I see cameras being rated for bird photography. The photo is always a large bird (heron, duck, eagle, or hawk) either flying against a clear sky or sitting on a tree. Most of my bird photography is of warblers, vireos, or sparrows in alder thickets or high up in trees. Small birds in a very busy environment.

I am looking at either the D7500 or the Panasonic G85. The G85 is not a camera for birds in flight but it has a pinpoint focus capability that may be good for the birds in the thicket. Continuous focus doesn't matter to me because I never get a chance to follow the birds. They appear in an opening of a thicket and then they are gone.

I did look at the D500 but weight is important to me. I am thinking about getting the New AF-S 300 E lens as its only 755g. A D7500, teleconverter, and the AF-S 300 P weighs 1585g (3 pounds 8 oz). Using the 1.3x mode, it gives me a 820mm F5.6 lens with a 12MB image which is fine for my purposes. The G85 with the Panasonic 100-400 is 1490g.
..for small birds that's stationary, may take a look at the P900 camera for casual snapshots.. the P900 camera has a lot of zoom (optical 24-2000mm equivalent) to play with..

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..Best wishes..

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I have a D7200 (pretty similar to the 7500) and I find accurate manual focussing almost impossible with the viewfinder - the image just isn't big enough to be able to achieve a fine focus. Luckily, though, there is an easy to to do it: turn on "Live View" (where you see an image on the camera's screen), zoom in on it by pressing the magnifying glass button, and it's then very easy to see when you're focussed correctly.

Chris
I wonder how do you focus with live view when the picture is all over the place when you zoom in? I can't do it even on tripod, just by touching the camera vibrations get magnified in zoomed liveview.
All Nikons have focus confirmation dot that makes MF a piece of cake, given the lens is properly calibrated, and even if not, you can learn quickly when the focus is spot on or just AF fine tune it (it works for MF too).
 
One last thing. The focusing screens in DSLRs won't show true DOF thinner than a lens set to f2.8, so if you use a lens at f1.8, you still only see it's f2.8 DOF. To get a true DOF shown in the OVF with faster aperture settings, you have to buy a 3rd party focusing screen like KatzEye. I personally just stick to f2.8 or slower when using MF.
As I understand it, unlike the D7000/7100/7200, the D7500 has no OVF DOF preview.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/the-d7500-blog/the-cheese-has-been-removed.html

The D7500 also loses the ability to meter with non-chipped MF lenses.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/the-d7500-blog/old-manual-focus-lenses-on.html
Yes, and yes, that's my understanding as well (I had loved an OVF DOF preview).

But I will experiment more, later!

Who knows, there might be a work-around?!
 
How good is your vision? Mine is fair after two cataract surgeries.

Accurate manual focus on my 7200 is difficult if not impossible through the view finder and using live view is clunky shooting hand held.

Shooting birds handheld, I try to compensate by shooting with a high f stop for greater depth of field but that is imperfect particularly in low light or when pleasing bokeh is desired.

I am working on mastering auto focus and planning to upgrade lenses which don't auto focus very well. I pass on shooting little birds in distant trees because nothing autofocuses on them very well. Unless I was shooting only static subjects, I would not consider manual focus lenses.
I've had no problems with shooting small birds in bushes using the D7500, but I have found that for me using single point AF-S works best.

For flying birds against a clear sky, the nine-point AF mode in AF-C is near foolproof, never an almost focused shot, all spot on!

Some shots from the last week:

Note the photographer in the rear seat!  Around 400 ft up!
Note the photographer in the rear seat! Around 400 ft up!



Great Tit, female. Single-point, AF-S, in really bad light.
Great Tit, female. Single-point, AF-S, in really bad light.



A single Hooded Crow, surrounded by sparrows, around 410 ft away. AF-C, nine-point. Bad light.
A single Hooded Crow, surrounded by sparrows, around 410 ft away. AF-C, nine-point. Bad light.



Barnacle geese, at sunrise, AF-C, nine-point AF.
Barnacle geese, at sunrise, AF-C, nine-point AF.



 Mute swan flying into the rising sun, AF-C, nine-point AF.
Mute swan flying into the rising sun, AF-C, nine-point AF.



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Nikon V2, J5, D3300, D7500 & D600, some m4/3.
 
How good is your vision? Mine is fair after two cataract surgeries.

Accurate manual focus on my 7200 is difficult if not impossible through the view finder and using live view is clunky shooting hand held.

Shooting birds handheld, I try to compensate by shooting with a high f stop for greater depth of field but that is imperfect particularly in low light or when pleasing bokeh is desired.

I am working on mastering auto focus and planning to upgrade lenses which don't auto focus very well. I pass on shooting little birds in distant trees because nothing autofocuses on them very well. Unless I was shooting only static subjects, I would not consider manual focus lenses.
Not very good. I either wear glasses or use the diopter adjustment on the camera.

I have some older AI-S lenses that I bought over the years. I am trying to decide whether I should sell them or keep them. They are not worth very much and its fun to go out sometimes without a meter and using manual focus.

I always laugh when I see cameras being rated for bird photography. The photo is always a large bird (heron, duck, eagle, or hawk) either flying against a clear sky or sitting on a tree. Most of my bird photography is of warblers, vireos, or sparrows in alder thickets or high up in trees. Small birds in a very busy environment.


 They don't get much smaller than a Wren, do they?!
They don't get much smaller than a Wren, do they?!



 Another Wren
Another Wren



This is a Chiffchaff, one of the smallest warblers we have.
This is a Chiffchaff, one of the smallest warblers we have.



Do you see the Lesser Whitethroat checking you out?
Do you see the Lesser Whitethroat checking you out?



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Here it is a bit more out in the open, less than 2" beak to tail!



 The Goldcrest is one of our tiniest birds, not easy to catch with any camera, as they are never ever still.
The Goldcrest is one of our tiniest birds, not easy to catch with any camera, as they are never ever still.



This Herring Gull just passed me by, yards away, and I just fired away over the shoulder (not imagining any of the two shots would be sharp, and the camera did the rest — amazing!
This Herring Gull just passed me by, yards away, and I just fired away over the shoulder (not imagining any of the two shots would be sharp, and the camera did the rest — amazing!



The original Robin is a very easy pick, as it tends to sit still for a couple of seconds between the rushes.
The original Robin is a very easy pick, as it tends to sit still for a couple of seconds between the rushes.



The Redstart is also easy to shoot, as they tend to be motionless for seconds, before flying off.
The Redstart is also easy to shoot, as they tend to be motionless for seconds, before flying off.

All the birds above shot around the Ottenby Bird Station. Öland, Sweden. D7500, Sigma 150-600 Sports. All shot with AF-C, as far as I can recall — in really low light AF-S (and single point AF) works better.
I am looking at either the D7500 or the Panasonic G85. The G85 is not a camera for birds in flight but it has a pinpoint focus capability that may be good for the birds in the thicket. Continuous focus doesn't matter to me because I never get a chance to follow the birds. They appear in an opening of a thicket and then they are gone.
My wife uses the GX8 and a PL 100-400 for just that, with great success.
I did look at the D500 but weight is important to me. I am thinking about getting the New AF-S 300 E lens as its only 755g. A D7500, teleconverter, and the AF-S 300 P weighs 1585g (3 pounds 8 oz). Using the 1.3x mode, it gives me a 820mm F5.6 lens with a 12MB image which is fine for my purposes. The G85 with the Panasonic 100-400 is 1490g.
My kit is heavier, as I use the Sigma, a Gitzo monopod (heavy-duty version), but the combo is easy to carry on the shoulder, I think. Never would dream of carrying around my neck.

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Nikon V2, J5, D3300, D7500 & D600, some m4/3.
 

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Not sure if this helps, but the D5XXX and D3XXX come with "electronic rangefinder" to assist with manual focus, as well as the confirmation dot (except does not work in M mode). I think the D7XXX just have the confirmation dot plus left/right arrow? If you end up using live view you may be better off with D5500/5600 as it has the 3.2" lcd screen, with smaller body.
Yes, the dot works well (the same system as my Nikon 1 V1 uses), no other confirmation available, though, just tried it, so this is the first shot with my D7500, using the Voigtlander 20/3.5;-)!:



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Tord_2 (at) photographer (dot) net
Nikon V2, J5, D3300, D7500 & D600, some m4/3.
 
How good is your vision? Mine is fair after two cataract surgeries.

Accurate manual focus on my 7200 is difficult if not impossible through the view finder and using live view is clunky shooting hand held.

Shooting birds handheld, I try to compensate by shooting with a high f stop for greater depth of field but that is imperfect particularly in low light or when pleasing bokeh is desired.

I am working on mastering auto focus and planning to upgrade lenses which don't auto focus very well. I pass on shooting little birds in distant trees because nothing autofocuses on them very well. Unless I was shooting only static subjects, I would not consider manual focus lenses.
Not very good. I either wear glasses or use the diopter adjustment on the camera.

I have some older AI-S lenses that I bought over the years. I am trying to decide whether I should sell them or keep them. They are not worth very much and its fun to go out sometimes without a meter and using manual focus.

I always laugh when I see cameras being rated for bird photography. The photo is always a large bird (heron, duck, eagle, or hawk) either flying against a clear sky or sitting on a tree. Most of my bird photography is of warblers, vireos, or sparrows in alder thickets or high up in trees. Small birds in a very busy environment.

I am looking at either the D7500 or the Panasonic G85. The G85 is not a camera for birds in flight but it has a pinpoint focus capability that may be good for the birds in the thicket. Continuous focus doesn't matter to me because I never get a chance to follow the birds. They appear in an opening of a thicket and then they are gone.

I did look at the D500 but weight is important to me. I am thinking about getting the New AF-S 300 E lens as its only 755g. A D7500, teleconverter, and the AF-S 300 P weighs 1585g (3 pounds 8 oz). Using the 1.3x mode, it gives me a 820mm F5.6 lens with a 12MB image which is fine for my purposes. The G85 with the Panasonic 100-400 is 1490g.
..for small birds that's stationary, may take a look at the P900 camera for casual snapshots.. the P900 camera has a lot of zoom (optical 24-2000mm equivalent) to play with..

I also agree that P900 is better for birds. D7xxx is specified for low light, high quality, inside portrait and fine details.
 
I used LiveView and manual focus today as well, using the preview setting to get the exposure exactly right.

Love to have the preview tell me how the final shot will look like, even if the actual DOF is then still an unknown factor.

Anyway:

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