D4 vs D850 ISO 6400 dark scene

I don't need to try. I already know. I'm trying to help you understand but you aren't really reading what I'm writing. You are too focused on the exposure compensation figure.

edit: you should try what I typed here:


You don't need to pull files on to your computer to process.
 
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Thank you for your work and good will to provide this files - I should have mentioned this on my earlier post!

Best Regards

Johannes

"nobody can satisfy everyone"
You're most welcome.

i would very much like to hear your thoughts on how the small and medium raws compare to the D4 file when all images are down sampled to the same size, particularly with regard to level of detail.
 
So taking this comparison for what it is, all the debate on legitimacy notwithstanding, the D850 when downsampled appears to have the same performance as the almost 6 year old D4 on this particular scene.
 
So taking this comparison for what it is, all the debate on legitimacy notwithstanding, the D850 when downsampled appears to have the same performance as the almost 6 year old D4 on this particular scene.
Now try upsampling the D4 to D850 resolution and compare.
 
Lol I guess this means you didn't bother trying it. So much wrong in these forums...
I didn't need to but I tried it made no difference, I also tried + 5 - 5 made no difference to the exposure. Exposure is a combination of ISO Aperture and shutter. These are what I set using the dials. If the camera is in manual and I am not using the internal meter the exp compensation makes no difference.

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Lol I guess this means you didn't bother trying it. So much wrong in these forums...
If:

- two cameras used the same lens,

- the same shutter speed was used on both cameras

- the same aperture was used on both cameras

- the light in the scene didn't change

then exposure is the same.

The above are physical shooting parameters defining the shot. Metering parameters and modes do not matter anymore, shooting parameters supersede metering data.
 
So taking this comparison for what it is, all the debate on legitimacy notwithstanding, the D850 when downsampled appears to have the same performance as the almost 6 year old D4 on this particular scene.
Now try upsampling the D4 to D850 resolution and compare.
Just compare 100% to 100%. You get the point.
 
Well, it at least suggests that you can get better detail while maintaining the same noise performance of one of the greatest low-light sensors ever created.

But yeah, it is just one scenario out of essentially infinite scenarios. More importantly, it is a little better than the previous generation high resolution sensor in virtually all respects.

Speaking of scenarios, turn on the lights and set the D850 to iso64 and run the comparison again. You may notice some improvements over the 6-year-old D4 sensor. ;)

I guess the overarching theme is that it is versatile.
 
Well, it at least suggests that you can get better detail while maintaining the same noise performance of one of the greatest low-light sensors ever created.

But yeah, it is just one scenario out of essentially infinite scenarios. More importantly, it is a little better than the previous generation high resolution sensor in virtually all respects.

Speaking of scenarios, turn on the lights and set the D850 to iso64 and run the comparison again. You may notice some improvements over the 6-year-old D4 sensor. ;)

I guess the overarching theme is that it is versatile.
 
I love the D4 sensor. I only have it in Df-form, though. I think it is one of their best in output quality. Obviously it can be beat in resolution, but resolution isn't everything.
 
I love the D4 sensor. I only have it in Df-form, though. I think it is one of their best in output quality. Obviously it can be beat in resolution, but resolution isn't everything.

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Beat is beat, though ;-)
 
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So taking this comparison for what it is, all the debate on legitimacy notwithstanding, the D850 when downsampled appears to have the same performance as the almost 6 year old D4 on this particular scene.
Now try upsampling the D4 to D850 resolution and compare.
Just compare 100% to 100%. You get the point.
Ah, you are willing to downsample and compare, but not to upsample and compare. Telling. Yes I think I get the point.
 
They are DNG's to make it easier for people to open them as most software doesn't support it yet.
Most software I use - C1 10.2, FRV - support D850, besides Nikon ViewNX-i, Capture NX-D :-)
Sorry I use LR on Mac.

Here are the original NEF's from my reshoot - tripod, liveview manual focus, Zeiss 135/2

D850 small raw

D850 medium raw

D850 14 bit lossless raw

D4 14 bit loss raw

Uploading now to my dropbox so please wait 20 minutes from this post before downloading.
Thanks for posting the NEF's. Question: when did you make the -3EV adjustment? At time of shooting or in post?
 
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They are DNG's to make it easier for people to open them as most software doesn't support it yet.
Most software I use - C1 10.2, FRV - support D850, besides Nikon ViewNX-i, Capture NX-D :-)
Sorry I use LR on Mac.

Here are the original NEF's from my reshoot - tripod, liveview manual focus, Zeiss 135/2

D850 small raw

D850 medium raw

D850 14 bit lossless raw

D4 14 bit loss raw

Uploading now to my dropbox so please wait 20 minutes from this post before downloading.
Thanks for posting the NEF's. Question: when did you make the -3EV adjustment? At time of shooting or in post?
"In post"? You still don't understand, do you? There is no -3EV 'adjustment'. It is just what the meter says on the camera. In A Mode the meter says it in the EC reading, and in M mode the camera's meter would have been saying "-3EV!!" while he took the photo on manual settings.
 
They are DNG's to make it easier for people to open them as most software doesn't support it yet.
Most software I use - C1 10.2, FRV - support D850, besides Nikon ViewNX-i, Capture NX-D :-)
Sorry I use LR on Mac.

Here are the original NEF's from my reshoot - tripod, liveview manual focus, Zeiss 135/2

D850 small raw

D850 medium raw

D850 14 bit lossless raw

D4 14 bit loss raw

Uploading now to my dropbox so please wait 20 minutes from this post before downloading.
Thanks for posting the NEF's. Question: when did you make the -3EV adjustment? At time of shooting or in post?
"In post"? You still don't understand, do you? There is no -3EV 'adjustment'. It is just what the meter says on the camera. In A Mode the meter says it in the EC reading, and in M mode the camera's meter would have been saying "-3EV!!" while he took the photo on manual settings.
.... as the OP has clearly explained to you @Kubicide, https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60139577
 

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