bobn2
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The point about the D850 is that it takes on both current 5D variants in one body.
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Not another Nikon D850 and Canon 5D Mark IV comparison
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rrccad
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canon acknowledged the light leak on the Mark III nearly immediately and fixed it.
did Nikon ever admit to problems with the D800?
how long did it take for nikon to admit to problems with the D600 and how does that compare to the D800 and Mark III that you brought up. Note the date of that Mark III that's within a month of the Mark III shipping
it's alot easier to forgive a company when they immediately announce the problem and fix it. most of the bitterness was that nikon really didnt' do that.
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bobn2
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I think you're arguing about something different from me. The point was whether or not Canon has had recalls. Yes, they have.
i worded that incorrectly..it was a new model number but basically it fixed the AF problems that nikon NEVER admitted to
i had forgotten about the flair problem i was talking about the big shutter recall...the light leak in the 5d was completely different..when the lcd light was on it affected the metering ...so only a problem if you take a photo in the 3 sec the light was on when using camera in the dark ...it did not disable the camera
i never say canon not have recalls..but i will say nikon has had more, more serious recalls like the D750 that's had 2/3ed (which in reality will be more than 2/3 of cameras as cameras are more popula it the beginning of the production run) of its production run recalled or the D600 as when you sent it in nikon gave you the fixed D610 as a replacement
thers properly loads more on both sides ...like the recent AF problem with the canon ef 50 mm F1.4
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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You are joking ....i have a sony nex ...i think the designers was an anti photographer sadist ...the only way to make it more less enjoyable to use would be to superglue a drawing pin to the shutter button...pin up
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bobn2
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Well, you have that wrong on a number of fronts. First, Nikon did 'admit' to the AF problem. Second, the D810 did a great deal more than just fix that (and another problem). It was sped up by a frame per second, the AF was substantially improved and it had a large number of detail improvements. It was about par for Nikon's usual 's' model mid term upgrades.
Nor did the D750 problem disable the camera. People lost some shots in very particular circumstances.
The post I was replying to said 'I have heard stories of recalls and known defects with Nikon's and Sony's, but not Canon.' I think we are both agreed that was wrong.
Sure, the only point I was making is that Canon is not immune to recalls. So long as you agree, there is no need for all the drama.
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Dibyendu Majumdar
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Hi, you are correct that Nikon were slow to admit issues with D600 and D800. Seems they learned from that and were quicker to admit issues with D750.
Canon too failed to admit issues with 1D Mark III - and issued a new model 1D Mark IV early because the previous model had serious AF issues as documented by Rob Galbraith et al. Maybe they learned from that.
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Dibyendu
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rrccad
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lies.
canon started to announce issues with the Mark III in August and issued a first of many potential fixes in october. less than six months after the Mark IIII shipped.
not to mention the Mark IV came out 3 years after the Mark III - on schedule.
try again.
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Dibyendu Majumdar
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Hi, you are correct that Mark IV came out 3 years after Mark III, I should have checked the dates, but I wrote from what my impression was at the time. My impression at the time was also that Canon admitted to issues only after detailed analysis was published by Rob G, so it wasn't a case of them admitting quickly and immediately.
Anyway, agree that it is far better for a company to admit issues and rectify them, than to keep silent.
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rrccad
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the Mark III was shipping in June. RG did is report in August, Canon also announced at around the same time that they are working on the problem, and did a recall in October.
there's really not alot of time there.
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Dibyendu Majumdar
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Hi,
I don't recollect that being the case. Did Canon admit the problem in August or just say they are investigating? Anyway I won't bother digging up this as it is not worthwhile. But my point here was that Canon only reacted after RG had made a big issue of it, and even then did they really fix the 1D Mark III.
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Basically no manufacturer admits issues unless they have to.
Having said all this, I do think Canon has been more professional than Nikon. At least that is my observation, and hence I have been wanting to move to Canon. What has held me back a bit is a) my existing investment in Nikon lenses, and b) my belief that Canon products are a bit overpriced, especially 5D Mark IV.
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Dibyendu
DualSystemGuy
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You should check with all the 7D2 owners (still) having major AF issues and see how they feel about Canon's timely response on that one. 3 full years and still no acknowledgement and no fixes offered to the customers - not even a voluntary service advisory or an offer to inspect. The 1DX and 1DXII oil issues also have no suitable fix, Canon just offers to clean it for you through a service advisory which is about as helpful as cleaning a D600.
The 1DX has a light leak/flare issue worse than the D750 (confirmed by DPR staff), and we're still waiting for the service advisory on that one 6 years later.
As for the 1DM3 AF issues, Canon ignored that one until they got threatened with a law suit (like the D600).
This illusion people seem to have that one company is dramatically more reliable than the other is unfounded. Both companies have slipped up in the past, and both seem to have fewer issues with the latest bodies. I get that there is a tendency to downplay the issues with one's brand of choice and exaggerate the opposite, but when you look at it objectively there is really very little difference in both frequency and severity.
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rrccad
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more and more you prove yourself to be a troll.
this is entirely fictitious. Canon actually sent engineers from Japan to work with DG while the initial findings were happening and announced in september that they know of the problem and have a fix forthcoming.
Unless you are idiotically assuming that a lawsuit within the first 5 months of shipping means something.
Please provide proof of this.
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I owned a 7D Mark II since they came out and regularly contributed to that board. I've never heard that there's a "major AF issue" with that camera and si didn't experience one. Can you show us your evidence?
Tazz93
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Personally, I think it negates the need for a crop body. I wouldn't buy a FF and a crop cam if the D850 were available.
This single camera effectively does the job of 3 Canon pro/prosumer bodies, 5DS(r), 7D2 and 5D4 at the price of one (7D2 excluded). Some will still need two or more cameras, but most are no longer forced to decide between speed and resolution.
Some people look at the specs and think they are the biggest story here. To me, the larger story is this body represents a shift in manufacturer thinking. While I don't suspect Canon will follow suit, it will be interesting to see how they respond. The landscape is changing on the behemoth, and they aren't moving very agile. While I don't think they are defunct in any way, it tough to say they are on top of the changing marketplace.
BTW, No... I'm not a mindless YouTube regurgitator. I don't care about "tilty-flippy" screens and EVFs and I wholeheartedly hope Canon holds out on the mirrorless craze as long as possible. But I'm not stupid... I fully understand there will come a time when the benefits are just too overwhelming to the legacy tech.
This single camera effectively does the job of 3 Canon pro/prosumer bodies, 5DS(r), 7D2 and 5D4 at the price of one (7D2 excluded). Some will still need two or more cameras, but most are no longer forced to decide between speed and resolution.
Some people look at the specs and think they are the biggest story here. To me, the larger story is this body represents a shift in manufacturer thinking. While I don't suspect Canon will follow suit, it will be interesting to see how they respond. The landscape is changing on the behemoth, and they aren't moving very agile. While I don't think they are defunct in any way, it tough to say they are on top of the changing marketplace.
BTW, No... I'm not a mindless YouTube regurgitator. I don't care about "tilty-flippy" screens and EVFs and I wholeheartedly hope Canon holds out on the mirrorless craze as long as possible. But I'm not stupid... I fully understand there will come a time when the benefits are just too overwhelming to the legacy tech.
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Good point. Can't argue with that.
DualSystemGuy
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Sure. Other than my own 7D2 has been back or replaced 3 times without proper resolution, you can simply Google "7D2 AF Issue" and I hope you have a comfy chair.
I'll copy and paste the first few hits for you after 30 seconds with Google, and there is a lot more to look at than just these if you desire (I did this very quickly - sorry if you get any doubles):
CR's comment on Canon's Internal Acknowledgement of an issue:
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DPR:
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POTN:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1406704 (468 pages long)
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bobn2
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I'm thinking the same. I have a D810. I was thinking of adding either a 7DII (using the Canon lenses I still have) or a D500, probably would have ended up being a D500 - since it's a better camera and I have a 200-500/5.6 in my Nikon lens collection. But now the D850 comes along, so maybe I'll get that, though I doubt the sale of the 810 will make up the difference.
I wonder. I kept my Canon lenses because I thought there was every chance that Canon would come up with something that I couldn't get from Nikon. So far, they haven't. Instead, Canon and Nikon seem to be in this strange dance where they follwo each other at a distance of two years or so. So, Canon comes up with a 5Ds and R, which looks very like a reply to the D800 and E, just as Nikon reunifies with the D810 (which also sped up to close in on the 5DIII, at least at 25MP). Then they continue with the MkIV as a low res option when Nikon puts it all together in the D850. I'm thinking in three years time Canon will make a 5D X which unifies the line and Nikon will make a high and low res version. In any case, at no time will Canon produce something I can justify buying to put behind my Canon lenses.
Yxa
Senior Member
A little bit off topic but I am making that decision right now. Upgrading from a APS-C body with a clean slate. Sold all my glass and cameras. Now have the decision of which to invest in.
I am disappointed with the 6D2 update and with the update to D750 on the horizon next year I wonder if it will make more sense to invest in Nikon glass.
What did you think of the two when you held them?
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