Is the star eater problem still a problem?

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My A7R2 has never had its firmware updated, so I've never had a star eater problem.

However, when inquiring about sending off my A7R2 for repair, I was warned that the firmware would likely be updated as a matter of routine. Does this mean my repaired camera will eat stars? Or is the latest firmware that will likely be installed free of the problem?
 
The star eater issue is part of the upgrade (for better or worse).

The good news is that for ordinary photography, including starscapes (in my world astrophotography is about capturing astronomical objects) most will not even notice the star eater issue (except benefiting from lack of hot pixels)...

I use Sony cameras for ordinary photography, including night sky photography in twilight and starscapes. For pure astrophotography the Sony will not do in my case.

So - what kind of images are you hunting, and do the faintest stars and finest detail in the night sky matter - or not.

If not into telescopic astrophotography I would not worry about the star eater issue. But that is me, others might not agree...
 
My A7R2 has never had its firmware updated, so I've never had a star eater problem.

However, when inquiring about sending off my A7R2 for repair, I was warned that the firmware would likely be updated as a matter of routine. Does this mean my repaired camera will eat stars? Or is the latest firmware that will likely be installed free of the problem?
The a7RII has always had the star-eater problem in bulb mode. The FW update just extended that to 4.0 seconds.

Jim
 
Now I'm getting more confused. If I want to do astrophotography with wide to normal lenses with LENR on, sometimes in bulb mode, as successfully as I've been doing it for the last two years, should I insist that the firmware not be updated?
 
Now I'm getting more confused. If I want to do astrophotography with wide to normal lenses with LENR on, sometimes in bulb mode, as successfully as I've been doing it for the last two years, should I insist that the firmware not be updated?
If you're happy with the way your images look under those conditions, then the star-eating is not affecting you, and the fact that the latest firmware makes the camera less of a picky eater won't be a problem.

Here's the algorithm:


Here's a discussion about the effects of LENR:


LENR does not, by itself, invoke the consumption of stars:


Jim
 
Now I'm getting more confused. If I want to do astrophotography with wide to normal lenses with LENR on, sometimes in bulb mode, as successfully as I've been doing it for the last two years, should I insist that the firmware not be updated?
If you are happy with a Star image you took with LENR on and in Bulb mode than you should forget you ever heard the term Star Eater on a forum and get your camera firmware update and go back to happily shooting the stars.

I hope that does not come across condescending as it is not my intention but could read that way. Part of the Star Eater is real, part of it is overblown probably to get more attention to the cause.
 
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Thank you, Jim. A bit technical for me. Way over my head, actually. But I think you are advising to get the update and that I'll be no worse off.

All I know from experience is that without LENR I always got hot pixels all over my images..
 
Thank you, Jim. A bit technical for me. Way over my head, actually. But I think you are advising to get the update and that I'll be no worse off.
You will see behavior at other shutter speeds that you now see with bulb.
All I know from experience is that without LENR I always got hot pixels all over my images..
Jim
 
Hello I am confused??.. i will be going to hawaii next month and intend to take some Astrophotos.. i have just purchased a star adventurer mini tracker for long exposures..But i have just read this thread on Star eater :(

Will this effect my photos?.. I have just checked & my A7rii is running version 2.00 firmware..Does Star eater effect this version?..

Thanks

Rob
 
Hello I am confused??.. i will be going to hawaii next month and intend to take some Astrophotos.. i have just purchased a star adventurer mini tracker for long exposures..But i have just read this thread on Star eater :(

Will this [affect] my photos?.. I have just checked & my A7rii is running version 2.00 firmware..Does Star eater [affect] this version?..
If you stay away from bulb, and nosebleed ISOs, with FW 2.0 you won't get spatial filtering.

Jim
 
Thanks for your response JimKasson..

But i do intend to use the Bulb mode?...I have purchased A star tracker so i can do longer exposure than 30 seconds maybe up to 180 seconds? and if i am correct i must use Bulb mode for longer than 30 seconds i intend to use iso 3600 or 1600...Using A7R2

Thanks

Rob
 
Thanks for your response JimKasson..

But i do intend to use the Bulb mode?...I have purchased A star tracker so i can do longer exposure than 30 seconds maybe up to 180 seconds? and if i am correct i must use Bulb mode for longer than 30 seconds i intend to use iso 3600 or 1600...Using A7R2
To get one 180 second exposure, make 3 30 second exposures and average in post.

Jim
 
I have just bought a star tracker so that i could do long exposure's of 2 or 3 minutes..now i have just found out that My Sony A7rii may delete lots of my hard earned long exposure stars!...I am not very happy..... :(

If i can get the same results of using multiple 30 secs exposure then there would have been little point in buying a star tracker which will annoy me even more!...

So off Topic but Can i really get the same results using 30 sec exposure's? vs 3 minute exposure's..If 30 secs multiple images merged then 3 minutes merged would be better? ifso i still need to use Bulb mode..

Thanks

Rob
 
I have just bought a star tracker so that i could do long exposure's of 2 or 3 minutes..now i have just found out that My Sony A7rii may delete lots of my hard earned long exposure stars!...I am not very happy..... :(

If i can get the same results of using multiple 30 secs exposure then there would have been little point in buying a star tracker which will annoy me even more!...
I don't understand this. A tracker is every bit as useful if you're gong to capture 6 30-second shots as it is if you're going to capture one 30-minute one.
So off Topic but Can i really get the same results using 30 sec exposure's? vs 3 minute exposure's..
Pretty much, if you stack them right. There is special software made for doing that, or you can do it in Ps with the right workflow.
If 30 secs multiple images merged then 3 minutes merged would be better?
There are arguments for doing it each way. There are vociferous proponents of each. As the exposures get longer, IMHO, the arguments for breaking them up get stronger.


Jim
 
Now I'm getting more confused. If I want to do astrophotography with wide to normal lenses with LENR on, sometimes in bulb mode, as successfully as I've been doing it for the last two years, should I insist that the firmware not be updated?
Absolutely.

My A7r2 is running firmware 3.2 and the star eater does not cut in unless in bulb mode. So 30 seconds is fine. I also have not noticed damage in 5 minute subexposures at ISO640.

I would not update to the latest firmware. There are no significant improvements as far as I can tell and also the stop down to focus thing also kicked in after firmware 3.2 another reason not to get the latest firmware.

Greg.
 
Thanks for your response JimKasson..

But i do intend to use the Bulb mode?...I have purchased A star tracker so i can do longer exposure than 30 seconds maybe up to 180 seconds? and if i am correct i must use Bulb mode for longer than 30 seconds i intend to use iso 3600 or 1600...Using A7R2

Thanks

Rob
Go 5 minutes ISO 640. You'll be fine.

Greg.
 
Thanks for your response JimKasson..

But i do intend to use the Bulb mode?...I have purchased A star tracker so i can do longer exposure than 30 seconds maybe up to 180 seconds? and if i am correct i must use Bulb mode for longer than 30 seconds i intend to use iso 3600 or 1600...Using A7R2
To get one 180 second exposure, make 3 30 second exposures and average in post.

Jim

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Say what Jim? 3 x 30 seconds is 90 seconds not 180! Oh man, did I just correct an engineer, please say I got it right!

Greg.
 
I have just bought a star tracker so that i could do long exposure's of 2 or 3 minutes..now i have just found out that My Sony A7rii may delete lots of my hard earned long exposure stars!...I am not very happy..... :(

If i can get the same results of using multiple 30 secs exposure then there would have been little point in buying a star tracker which will annoy me even more!...
I don't understand this. A tracker is every bit as useful if you're gong to capture 6 30-second shots as it is if you're going to capture one 30-minute one.
So off Topic but Can i really get the same results using 30 sec exposure's? vs 3 minute exposure's..
Pretty much, if you stack them right. There is special software made for doing that, or you can do it in Ps with the right workflow.
If 30 secs multiple images merged then 3 minutes merged would be better?
There are arguments for doing it each way. There are vociferous proponents of each. As the exposures get longer, IMHO, the arguments for breaking them up get stronger.

http://www.rogergroom.com/astronomy-deep-sky-stacking-software/

Jim

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I have done every possible combo of exposures. As Jim says there are advantages and disadvantages to the different methods. Stacking 8 images will make a noise free image.

A 5 minute image is also quite noise free but you won't be able to do 5 minutes unless you are at a dark site as light pollution will be the dominant factor otherwise.

So at a dark site I think the usual logic is to expose for longer as there is no light pollution to overexpose the image.

But the sky moves, so that means a separate landscape image untracked. One for the stars and one for the landscape. The landscape could be a long single image or do the same and stack. It depends if there is some moon or not. The landscape is hard to bring out when no moon.

Also stacking can be problematic. Photoshop is kind of crude but often works. I use PixInsight and it does a great job every time but its not user friendly.

Workflow would be something like this:

1. Setup your tracker. Polar align it so you can get several minute exposures with round stars.

2. Take a static set of the landscape long enough or enough subexposures to bring it up. Some take the landscape shots at dusk but that's kind of cheating.

3. Take your starry shots. Last I did this I took 30 second ISO1600 x 8 for each panel at 21mm F2.8. That ended up with a noise free stacked image that was quite deep at a dark site.

4. I then preprocess in LR and sync the settings so all the set get the same preprocessing.

Save them.

5. I then open them into PixInsight and use the star alignment tool and save the aligned images into a folder I create for that. I then use the integration tool in PixInsight to stack the aligned images. I was doing a panorama so I number each panel that now consists of 8 x 30 second subexposures aligned and stacked. PixInsight has a very advanced stacking algorithim and you won't find better anywhere else.

6. I then import the stacked panels into PTGui and construct the panorama then export and final colour tweaking in Photoshop.

Lonely Speck has several tutorials on using Photoshop and a Mac only program called Starry Night (at this time no windows version).

Greg.
 
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Thanks Jim for your reply ...
 

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