Glen Barrington
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24 mp, maybe. But 20? the actual practical difference from 16 is virtually non-existent.
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Oh no not another 16Mp camera!
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Robiro
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As for me, I will never go back to 16MP! Unless they give me a 16 MP with a markedly improved dynamic range over the current 20 MP sensors, in which case I might.
And yes, more pixels at no image quality loss is desirable.
You can crop more.
Also, downsampling a 20MP image to 4K gives you better result than downsampling a 16MP image to 4K resolution.
More pixels available for downsampling, less noise you get in the final 4K picture etc.
You can tell me 16MP is enough all night long but I just know. I want a 20 MP sensor and I am just not going back to 16 MP. Period. Megapixels sell, Olympus.
Why was the other thread locked? Totally pointless move by admins.
And yes, more pixels at no image quality loss is desirable.
You can crop more.
Also, downsampling a 20MP image to 4K gives you better result than downsampling a 16MP image to 4K resolution.
More pixels available for downsampling, less noise you get in the final 4K picture etc.
You can tell me 16MP is enough all night long but I just know. I want a 20 MP sensor and I am just not going back to 16 MP. Period. Megapixels sell, Olympus.
Why was the other thread locked? Totally pointless move by admins.
CharlesB58
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If people actually learned what goes into producing the best overall photographs, absolutely. But that idea of "best" is relative. For a lot of people, a boring, uninspired photo that passes their pixel peeping scrutiny is better than an eye-catching photo that doesn't.But then, I am not planning to buy any new bodies of any sort.
I have a Pen F with its 20Mp. I honestly don't consider cropping from 20Mp much of an asset. When you crop out 4Mp, you've barely moved the borders in at all. Enjoy your 16Mp cameras. They are fine.
I moved from the 16Mp E-P5 to the 20Mp Pen F because of the built-in EVF, not the megapixels; they were a bonus. Folks should think more about usability and suitability to the task than a modest 25% megapixel increase. Yes, 25% is quite modest when considering linear resolution.
Jim Pilcher
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I'm looking to buy an EM1.2 (or 2) in thw next 6 months or so. Not because I think 20mp will produce "better" photos than my EM1.1s, but because the improved AF and features such as Pro Capture will enhance productivity and my "keeper rate."
The thing is, studying and working on how to produce better results with existing gear is no where near as easy, glamorous and gratifying as buying a new camera.
samtheman2014
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The YI M1 an admittedly less than optimal camera
has a 20mp m43 sensor and can be picked up new for around $300 with a lens ! so I do not think that the sensor is quite as expensive as we may imagineThe issue I have with yet another 16mp Olympus camera is that Fuji just gave the XT-20 the same 24mp, 4K capable sensor as their flagship X-Pro2 and Xt-2, albeit for a little more $ at $900 US body. Like wise, Panasonic has had the 20mp GX8 out for how long now, sometimes available for a grand, while Sony also offers the a6000 or a5100 at 24 mp as well for $550-$650.
It would be one thing if these 16mp sensors offered some noticeable noise improvement over the higher MP APS-c models, but thats not the case. In fact in my experience I see better noise and DR in the higher 24mp sensors. So what the hell are you supposed to be paying for here? Olympus thinks an awful lot of itself...and I've used Oly for years.
It would be one thing if these 16mp sensors offered some noticeable noise improvement over the higher MP APS-c models, but thats not the case. In fact in my experience I see better noise and DR in the higher 24mp sensors. So what the hell are you supposed to be paying for here? Olympus thinks an awful lot of itself...and I've used Oly for years.
Bhima78
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GBC
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But who knows about this 16 mpix sensor, it could be a new 16 mpix sensor from Sony that us better. Have you seen those specs? Has the IQ been leaked.
It probably is an old sensor, but if they brought a new 16 mpix sensor with a higher dynamic range with less noise combined with fast readout like on the em1 mk2 (less data to read, so it could be even better), you could get a great video /electronic shutter camera with very little rolling shutter effect.
It could be a real winner of the price is right. I'll stick with my em1 mk2 for now though.
It probably is an old sensor, but if they brought a new 16 mpix sensor with a higher dynamic range with less noise combined with fast readout like on the em1 mk2 (less data to read, so it could be even better), you could get a great video /electronic shutter camera with very little rolling shutter effect.
It could be a real winner of the price is right. I'll stick with my em1 mk2 for now though.
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Raist3d
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indont mind if it's 16mp but a new sensor with more DR and better ISO odds are it's still the old sensor
But you also mis represent the cries here what exactly this camera brings over its predecessor that it's worth the $700/$800? Most importantly- how exactly does this compete witr a fuji xt20?
But you also mis represent the cries here what exactly this camera brings over its predecessor that it's worth the $700/$800? Most importantly- how exactly does this compete witr a fuji xt20?
jeffharris
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A 25% increase in resolution is "virtually non-existent"? Imperceptible?
Really?
Bhima78
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ISO3200 and ISO6400 files on my GX8 are noticeably cleaner than what my 16MP EM10 provides. And this is at regular viewing distances on my screen, not peeping at 100%.
Bhima78
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The YI M1 an admittedly less than optimal camera
Bhima78
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larsbc
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I don't know much about the Fuji cameras but I would presume that the Oly will have better in-body stabilization plus the size of a typical MFT system is smaller than a Fuji system while also having a wider variety of lens options.
Glen Barrington
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Yes, when you factor in the increased noise inherent in a 20 mp sensor over a 16 mp sensor that has to be remediated, and the possibility that your lenses may, or may not, be capable of resolving the image on a higher density sensor (see link below), AND the fact that a significant amount of those extra pixels will be along the edges of the sensor where you may or may not find them useful; I contend that a 25% increase in MPs is not enough to be of practical value.
Certainly not enough to drive a new camera purchase all by itself. I wouldn't refuse a 20 MP camera, assuming it had other qualities I wanted, I don't believe Olympus would knowingly release an inferior camera. But it there is no way that small amount of extra MPs would entice me to buy a camera that had ONLY an 25% increase in MP.
On an anecdotal level, have you personally seen any significant difference between 16 mp Olympus photos and 20 mp Olympus photos? I haven't.
Do Sensors Out Resolve Lenses?
Do Sensors Out Resolve Lenses? - Luminous Landscape
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Interesting. What's the site's limit, in file size or dimensions?One good thing about 16MP is I can use Google Photo unlimited space without grief. Got full backup with nothing too lose!Just in case you wonder, Google upload the 16MP jpeg without a single bit of alteration, which I checked with MD5 hash.
16MP is pretty much all I need as an amature consumer, who rarely make a (large) print. Maybe this is the demography EM10 is targeted at with a possibly more aggressive price, However, they definitely need 20+MP for EM5 and EM1.
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Yannis1976
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I think the G80 was a much broader upgrade from the G7 adding weather proofing, leaf shutter and 4K focus stacking. Regarding the upcoming M10, I think we should wait for the official specs...
gary0319
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To answer directly, and having had both 16mp Sony sensor (E-M5 II) and 20mp Sony sensors (Pen F and E-M1 II), there is a noticeable difference. If you don't own one you could not make a claim to the contrary. Looking at other peoples images is just not the same as looking at your own images, shot the way you shoot.
And there is a difference between the 20 mp Sony sensor in my Pen F and the one in my E-M1 II, or maybe it's in the different firmware, but the results are different. So to my thinking not all sensors, even of the same mp are created equal. What the new E-M10 III will have for a sensor is anyone's guess, but I'm willing to bet it is not the one in the E-M10 II or the E-M5 II.
A_SCY
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Raist3d
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the wider variety range of options is overstated when many of those lenses are copies of each other in range and aperture and most importantly- virtually all fuji lenses are really good the same can't be said of m43 lenses
As for ibis - sure but ibis needs are diminished given there's more than 1 stop ISO differential vs the Fuji and two- the xt20 has many other Advantages Mormon the Olympus model side
Ibis is lso not the end all be all since it doesn't freeze movement
gary0319
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The YI M1 an admittedly less than optimal camera
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