Why still CCD in Cybershoot models?

Kharan said:

That's a good one, although a bit superficial (they don't give a very full explanation for CCD colors, claiming that it's only the well clearing that's "less thorough" on CMOS sensors, and that doesn't seem to be true, except for global shutters, and then it only increases read noise).

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tbcass said:

Kharan said:

That's a good one, although a bit superficial (they don't give a very full explanation for CCD colors, claiming that it's only the well clearing that's "less thorough" on CMOS sensors, and that doesn't seem to be true, except for global shutters, and then it only increases read noise).

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That's because CCD colors aren't "better". Urban legend.

Which of these has better colors?





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tbcass said:

Kharan said:

That's a good one, although a bit superficial (they don't give a very full explanation for CCD colors, claiming that it's only the well clearing that's "less thorough" on CMOS sensors, and that doesn't seem to be true, except for global shutters, and then it only increases read noise).

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That's because CCD colors aren't "better". Urban legend.

Which of these has better colors?

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flektogon said:

tbcass said:

Kharan said:

That's a good one, although a bit superficial (they don't give a very full explanation for CCD colors, claiming that it's only the well clearing that's "less thorough" on CMOS sensors, and that doesn't seem to be true, except for global shutters, and then it only increases read noise).

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That's because CCD colors aren't "better". Urban legend.

Which of these has better colors?





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Tom
Look at the picture, not the pixels

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First!

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Kharan said:

That's a pretty bad comparison. The lighting conditions are totally different - one is a foggy day, and the other a clear day with fantastic visibility.

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Kharan said:

As I said before, many CCD designs incorporated weaker IR filters and a thick epi layer, leading to absorption of near IR wavelengths. Also, color filter arrays were stronger back in the day, as with less pixels it was necessary to sample each photosite with a greater degree of accuracy, which led to more noise in low light. So there is some truth to that claim. Let it be said that I don't believe for a minute that CCD colors are "irreproducible" with post processing, or that CMOS sensors today don't sport an excellent color fidelity.

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tbcass said:

Kharan said:

That's a pretty bad comparison. The lighting conditions are totally different - one is a foggy day, and the other a clear day with fantastic visibility.

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No both days were sunny but the first had greater humidity.

tbcass said:

As I said before, many CCD designs incorporated weaker IR filters and a thick epi layer, leading to absorption of near IR wavelengths. Also, color filter arrays were stronger back in the day, as with less pixels it was necessary to sample each photosite with a greater degree of accuracy, which led to more noise in low light. So there is some truth to that claim. Let it be said that I don't believe for a minute that CCD colors are "irreproducible" with post processing, or that CMOS sensors today don't sport an excellent color fidelity.

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My point is I have owned both CCD and CMOS cameras. I have thousands samples from both to look at. I can say without a doubt the color difference is negligible, so small that even slight differences in lighting make a bigger difference, but if you insist in believing in a fallacy that's your business. If you want I can post many more samples.

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Horacecoker said:

I totally agree. There can be infinite reasons why photograph colours can be different between CCD sensors and CMOS sensors before the miniscule colour difference of the sensors themselves come into play!

David

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tbcass said:

Kharan said:

That's a pretty bad comparison. The lighting conditions are totally different - one is a foggy day, and the other a clear day with fantastic visibility.

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No both days were sunny but the first had greater humidity.

tbcass said:

As I said before, many CCD designs incorporated weaker IR filters and a thick epi layer, leading to absorption of near IR wavelengths. Also, color filter arrays were stronger back in the day, as with less pixels it was necessary to sample each photosite with a greater degree of accuracy, which led to more noise in low light. So there is some truth to that claim. Let it be said that I don't believe for a minute that CCD colors are "irreproducible" with post processing, or that CMOS sensors today don't sport an excellent color fidelity.

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My point is I have owned both CCD and CMOS cameras. I have thousands samples from both to look at. I can say without a doubt the color difference is negligible, so small that even slight differences in lighting make a bigger difference, but if you insist in believing in a fallacy that's your business. If you want I can post many more samples.

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tbcass said:

Actually the colors of the Canon with CMOS sensor look better to me but those samples aren't a good example because there is so little color in both. I used my samples because there were so many different colors.

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flektogon said:

Comparing thousands and thousands of my pictures, taken with the CCD and CMOS sensor cameras, I can't distinguish (just based on the colour appearance), which is taken with witch camera. Exactly as it should be. The sensors are colourless, so everything is in the signal processing.

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tbcass said:

flektogon said:

Comparing thousands and thousands of my pictures, taken with the CCD and CMOS sensor cameras, I can't distinguish (just based on the colour appearance), which is taken with witch camera. Exactly as it should be. The sensors are colourless, so everything is in the signal processing.

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Exactly my point and I have come to the same conclusion after viewing thousands of examples over the years. The censor does not determine colors. The processing does.

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tbcass said:

flektogon said:

Comparing thousands and thousands of my pictures, taken with the CCD and CMOS sensor cameras, I can't distinguish (just based on the colour appearance), which is taken with witch camera. Exactly as it should be. The sensors are colourless, so everything is in the signal processing.

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Exactly my point and I have come to the same conclusion after viewing thousands of examples over the years. The censor does not determine colors. The processing does.

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flektogon said:

tbcass said:

flektogon said:

Comparing thousands and thousands of my pictures, taken with the CCD and CMOS sensor cameras, I can't distinguish (just based on the colour appearance), which is taken with witch camera. Exactly as it should be. The sensors are colourless, so everything is in the signal processing.

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Exactly my point and I have come to the same conclusion after viewing thousands of examples over the years. The censor does not determine colors. The processing does.

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Look at the picture, not the pixels

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The CCD sensors were really good, at least from the point of view of taking still pictures. Here are few taken today with my 10 years old H5:











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Peter

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