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I am new to Sony and love my Sony Zeiss 24-70 f/2.8 mk 2 (model SAL2470Z2) lens.

one simple question, when reading about a sony camera's support for third part lenses, does this include my Sony Zeiss lens?

sony call it a sony zeiss and others call it a zeiss. it has both brand names on it.
 
Really strange when looking to your gear list.

sal2470z is a native Sony lens, but on A-mount (DSLR mount)

Are you using your lens on your A7ii (E-mount)? With which adapter?

Or you are using it on an A-mount body?
 
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I am new to Sony and love my Sony Zeiss 24-70 f/2.8 mk 2 (model SAL2470Z2) lens.

one simple question, when reading about a sony camera's support for third part lenses, does this include my Sony Zeiss lens?
I do believe it's supported, but I don't think they are calling it 3rd party.

It's supported through their own adapter, LA EA3 & LA EA4

https://sony-paa-pa-en-web--paa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/97182

http://briansmith.com/sony-a-mount-lens-sony-a7rii-guide/
sony call it a sony zeiss and others call it a zeiss. it has both brand names on it.

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You don't list any A mount cameras.... did you buy this lens by mistake? there is native lenses that for example support eye focus, if that's important.

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Really strange when looking to your gear list.

sal2470z is a native Sony lens, but on A-mount (DSLR mount)

Are you using your lens on your A7ii (E-mount)? With which adapter?

Or you are using it on an A-mount body?
correct. i'm using my 24-70 f/2.8 mk2 sony/zeiss on my a7ii with a LA-EA4 adapter. the focus is so fast in low indoor lighting (compared to my sony 70-200 f/4 FE lens) that i'm wondering if there's something wrong with my sony native e-mount lens or i'm doing something wrong.
 
F2.8 > f4 can make a big difference.
 
Really strange when looking to your gear list.

sal2470z is a native Sony lens, but on A-mount (DSLR mount)

Are you using your lens on your A7ii (E-mount)? With which adapter?

Or you are using it on an A-mount body?
correct. i'm using my 24-70 f/2.8 mk2 sony/zeiss on my a7ii with a LA-EA4 adapter. the focus is so fast in low indoor lighting (compared to my sony 70-200 f/4 FE lens) that i'm wondering if there's something wrong with my sony native e-mount lens or i'm doing something wrong.
 
Really strange when looking to your gear list.

sal2470z is a native Sony lens, but on A-mount (DSLR mount)

Are you using your lens on your A7ii (E-mount)? With which adapter?

Or you are using it on an A-mount body?
correct. i'm using my 24-70 f/2.8 mk2 sony/zeiss on my a7ii with a LA-EA4 adapter. the focus is so fast in low indoor lighting (compared to my sony 70-200 f/4 FE lens) that i'm wondering if there's something wrong with my sony native e-mount lens or i'm doing something wrong.
 
Most people are saying the AF speed on the a7ii is OK, but not great. then add an adapter to that and i was hoping it wouldn't be too bad. i expected medium fast focus. what i got was lightning fast focus even in low light with the zeiss 24-70 f/2.8 mark ii lens version and the la-ea4. it was shocking. i'm still building my sony system since i'm new to sony so i got my sony zeiss 16-35 f/4 and my sony EF 70-200 f/4 lens. they are both native(?) e-mount lenses but the 16-35 says Zeiss on it. all the features look like they work on these two newer native e-mount lenses but the focus is much slower indoors in low light (especially). i've tried using af-s flexible point focus as well as a couple others. choosing wide helped speed it up but it didn't focus on the right subject half the time.
 
unfortunatelly, the AF system of the A7ii (and also A7sii) is of the old generation and is the worst of any actual E-mount model portofolio (a5100, a6xxx, a7rii, a9, are all much better)
This is incorrect.

The A7II has OSPDAF. The A7S series (I or II) does not. Those are CDAF-only, like the A7R.

The A7II native AF is much faster than the A7SII.

There are plenty of actual E-mount models with weaker AF than the A7II... and only the A7R2. A9, A6500 and probably A6300 are better. I would not expect the A6000 to beat it, and, while the A7II gets fast PDAF with adapters (LA-EA3, MC-11), the A6000 does not. Pretty sure the A5100 is in the same boat as the A6000.

In good light, with current firmware, and the right lenses, the A7II AF is quite fast and accurate. With the SEL2470Z, for instance, it's pretty much instant. When you're comparing the LA-EA4 to native lenses in low-light, you are comparing off-sensor PDAF to on-sensor PDAF. The off-sensor sensels in the LA-EA4 only get 1/3rd of the light, but they're much bigger, and some of them are cross type. On the other hand, on-sensor has advantages of more points (117 vs. 15) and no need for microfocus adjustment.
 
unfortunatelly, the AF system of the A7ii (and also A7sii) is of the old generation and is the worst of any actual E-mount model portofolio (a5100, a6xxx, a7rii, a9, are all much better)
This is incorrect.

The A7II has OSPDAF. The A7S series (I or II) does not. Those are CDAF-only, like the A7R.

The A7II native AF is much faster than the A7SII.
why is it incorrect?

did I said that the A7sii AF is better than A7ii ?

(Yes the A7s i-ii do not have OSPDAF)
There are plenty of actual E-mount models with weaker AF than the A7II... and only the A7R2. A9, A6500 and probably A6300 are better.
Except the A7sii, there is no E-mount model actually sold by Sony which is slower than A7ii in AF. You can add to your list a6000 and 5100 (which means the whole actual portofolio, except A7s, which mainly video oriented)
I would not expect the A6000 to beat it, and, while the A7II gets fast PDAF with adapters (LA-EA3, MC-11), the A6000 does not. Pretty sure the A5100 is in the same boat as the A6000.
It is not matter of expecting... these are facts A5100 and A6000 have same sensor and AF system... And they are both much faster than the A7ii

A7ii was not compatible with PDAF via adapters too when launched. It got a software update much later after the release of A7rii that have that functionnality.

unfortunatelly the A6000 did not got the update, as the A6300 came at the same time, and perhapd Sony did not want to add that functionality to the A6000 to not cripple A6300 sales. On the excat same way as they did not provide update for the A7i.

Yes for sure, if you compare A7ii and A6000 on adapted lenses, the A7ii will be much faster. But not on native E-mount lenses.

ps. The update as far as I know is just to switch to 100% OSPDAF when adapted lenses are attached, and not use the final step of contrast detect for adjustment/precision as in native lenses. This is because DSLR lenses and their AF system are not suitable and very slow with CDAF.

Having used all these cameras (except the A9), for me, the A7ii AF system, even slightly faster, is from the same technology and generation as the A7i and Nex6 (2012)

all the others; A5100, A6xxx, A7rii, A9 are in another league

Also, I am not saying that A7ii AF system is good or bad (it highly related to the application), I am just saying that it is the less performing AF system of the actual E-mount camera portofolio (A7sii apart)
In good light, with current firmware, and the right lenses, the A7II AF is quite fast and accurate. With the SEL2470Z, for instance, it's pretty much instant. When you're comparing the LA-EA4 to native lenses in low-light, you are comparing off-sensor PDAF to on-sensor PDAF. The off-sensor sensels in the LA-EA4 only get 1/3rd of the light, but they're much bigger, and some of them are cross type. On the other hand, on-sensor has advantages of more points (117 vs. 15) and no need for microfocus adjustment.
Completelly agree, this is what I said.
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Most people are saying the AF speed on the a7ii is OK, but not great. then add an adapter to that and i was hoping it wouldn't be too bad. i expected medium fast focus. what i got was lightning fast focus even in low light with the zeiss 24-70 f/2.8 mark ii lens version and the la-ea4. it was shocking. i'm still building my sony system since i'm new to sony so i got my sony zeiss 16-35 f/4 and my sony EF 70-200 f/4 lens. they are both native(?) e-mount lenses but the 16-35 says Zeiss on it. all the features look like they work on these two newer native e-mount lenses but the focus is much slower indoors in low light (especially). i've tried using af-s flexible point focus as well as a couple others. choosing wide helped speed it up but it didn't focus on the right subject half the time.
 
unfortunatelly, the AF system of the A7ii (and also A7sii) is of the old generation and is the worst of any actual E-mount model portofolio (a5100, a6xxx, a7rii, a9, are all much better)
This is incorrect.

The A7II has OSPDAF. The A7S series (I or II) does not. Those are CDAF-only, like the A7R.

The A7II native AF is much faster than the A7SII.
why is it incorrect?

did I said that the A7sii AF is better than A7ii ?

(Yes the A7s i-ii do not have OSPDAF)
There are plenty of actual E-mount models with weaker AF than the A7II... and only the A7R2. A9, A6500 and probably A6300 are better.
Except the A7sii, there is no E-mount model actually sold by Sony which is slower than A7ii in AF. You can add to your list a6000 and 5100 (which means the whole actual portofolio, except A7s, which mainly video oriented)
I would not expect the A6000 to beat it, and, while the A7II gets fast PDAF with adapters (LA-EA3, MC-11), the A6000 does not. Pretty sure the A5100 is in the same boat as the A6000.
It is not matter of expecting... these are facts A5100 and A6000 have same sensor and AF system... And they are both much faster than the A7ii

A7ii was not compatible with PDAF via adapters too when launched. It got a software update much later after the release of A7rii that have that functionnality.

unfortunatelly the A6000 did not got the update, as the A6300 came at the same time, and perhapd Sony did not want to add that functionality to the A6000 to not cripple A6300 sales. On the excat same way as they did not provide update for the A7i.

Yes for sure, if you compare A7ii and A6000 on adapted lenses, the A7ii will be much faster. But not on native E-mount lenses.

ps. The update as far as I know is just to switch to 100% OSPDAF when adapted lenses are attached, and not use the final step of contrast detect for adjustment/precision as in native lenses. This is because DSLR lenses and their AF system are not suitable and very slow with CDAF.

Having used all these cameras (except the A9), for me, the A7ii AF system, even slightly faster, is from the same technology and generation as the A7i and Nex6 (2012)

all the others; A5100, A6xxx, A7rii, A9 are in another league

Also, I am not saying that A7ii AF system is good or bad (it highly related to the application), I am just saying that it is the less performing AF system of the actual E-mount camera portofolio (A7sii apart)
In good light, with current firmware, and the right lenses, the A7II AF is quite fast and accurate. With the SEL2470Z, for instance, it's pretty much instant. When you're comparing the LA-EA4 to native lenses in low-light, you are comparing off-sensor PDAF to on-sensor PDAF. The off-sensor sensels in the LA-EA4 only get 1/3rd of the light, but they're much bigger, and some of them are cross type. On the other hand, on-sensor has advantages of more points (117 vs. 15) and no need for microfocus adjustment.
Completelly agree, this is what I said.
 
unfortunatelly, the AF system of the A7ii (and also A7sii) is of the old generation and is the worst of any actual E-mount model portofolio (a5100, a6xxx, a7rii, a9, are all much better)
This is incorrect.

The A7II has OSPDAF. The A7S series (I or II) does not. Those are CDAF-only, like the A7R.

The A7II native AF is much faster than the A7SII.
why is it incorrect?

did I said that the A7sii AF is better than A7ii ?

(Yes the A7s i-ii do not have OSPDAF)
There are plenty of actual E-mount models with weaker AF than the A7II... and only the A7R2. A9, A6500 and probably A6300 are better.
Except the A7sii, there is no E-mount model actually sold by Sony which is slower than A7ii in AF. You can add to your list a6000 and 5100 (which means the whole actual portofolio, except A7s, which mainly video oriented)
I would not expect the A6000 to beat it, and, while the A7II gets fast PDAF with adapters (LA-EA3, MC-11), the A6000 does not. Pretty sure the A5100 is in the same boat as the A6000.
It is not matter of expecting... these are facts A5100 and A6000 have same sensor and AF system... And they are both much faster than the A7ii

A7ii was not compatible with PDAF via adapters too when launched. It got a software update much later after the release of A7rii that have that functionnality.

unfortunatelly the A6000 did not got the update, as the A6300 came at the same time, and perhapd Sony did not want to add that functionality to the A6000 to not cripple A6300 sales. On the excat same way as they did not provide update for the A7i.

Yes for sure, if you compare A7ii and A6000 on adapted lenses, the A7ii will be much faster. But not on native E-mount lenses.

ps. The update as far as I know is just to switch to 100% OSPDAF when adapted lenses are attached, and not use the final step of contrast detect for adjustment/precision as in native lenses. This is because DSLR lenses and their AF system are not suitable and very slow with CDAF.

Having used all these cameras (except the A9), for me, the A7ii AF system, even slightly faster, is from the same technology and generation as the A7i and Nex6 (2012)

all the others; A5100, A6xxx, A7rii, A9 are in another league

Also, I am not saying that A7ii AF system is good or bad (it highly related to the application), I am just saying that it is the less performing AF system of the actual E-mount camera portofolio (A7sii apart)
In good light, with current firmware, and the right lenses, the A7II AF is quite fast and accurate. With the SEL2470Z, for instance, it's pretty much instant. When you're comparing the LA-EA4 to native lenses in low-light, you are comparing off-sensor PDAF to on-sensor PDAF. The off-sensor sensels in the LA-EA4 only get 1/3rd of the light, but they're much bigger, and some of them are cross type. On the other hand, on-sensor has advantages of more points (117 vs. 15) and no need for microfocus adjustment.
Completelly agree, this is what I said.
 
so with the SAL2470Z2 24-70 f/2.8 mk2 lens and my LA-EA4 adapter, would i see an improvement on a a7R ii body (compared to my a7ii)?

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As highlighted by SQLGuy, no it will be the same

LA-EA4 uses its own AF system, and do not rely on camera AF.
 
unfortunatelly, the AF system of the A7ii (and also A7sii) is of the old generation and is the worst of any actual E-mount model portofolio (a5100, a6xxx, a7rii, a9, are all much better)
This is incorrect.

The A7II has OSPDAF. The A7S series (I or II) does not. Those are CDAF-only, like the A7R.

The A7II native AF is much faster than the A7SII.
why is it incorrect?

did I said that the A7sii AF is better than A7ii ?

(Yes the A7s i-ii do not have OSPDAF)
There are plenty of actual E-mount models with weaker AF than the A7II... and only the A7R2. A9, A6500 and probably A6300 are better.
Except the A7sii, there is no E-mount model actually sold by Sony which is slower than A7ii in AF. You can add to your list a6000 and 5100 (which means the whole actual portofolio, except A7s, which mainly video oriented)
I would not expect the A6000 to beat it, and, while the A7II gets fast PDAF with adapters (LA-EA3, MC-11), the A6000 does not. Pretty sure the A5100 is in the same boat as the A6000.
It is not matter of expecting... these are facts A5100 and A6000 have same sensor and AF system... And they are both much faster than the A7ii

A7ii was not compatible with PDAF via adapters too when launched. It got a software update much later after the release of A7rii that have that functionnality.

unfortunatelly the A6000 did not got the update, as the A6300 came at the same time, and perhapd Sony did not want to add that functionality to the A6000 to not cripple A6300 sales. On the excat same way as they did not provide update for the A7i.

Yes for sure, if you compare A7ii and A6000 on adapted lenses, the A7ii will be much faster. But not on native E-mount lenses.

ps. The update as far as I know is just to switch to 100% OSPDAF when adapted lenses are attached, and not use the final step of contrast detect for adjustment/precision as in native lenses. This is because DSLR lenses and their AF system are not suitable and very slow with CDAF.

Having used all these cameras (except the A9), for me, the A7ii AF system, even slightly faster, is from the same technology and generation as the A7i and Nex6 (2012)

all the others; A5100, A6xxx, A7rii, A9 are in another league

Also, I am not saying that A7ii AF system is good or bad (it highly related to the application), I am just saying that it is the less performing AF system of the actual E-mount camera portofolio (A7sii apart)
In good light, with current firmware, and the right lenses, the A7II AF is quite fast and accurate. With the SEL2470Z, for instance, it's pretty much instant. When you're comparing the LA-EA4 to native lenses in low-light, you are comparing off-sensor PDAF to on-sensor PDAF. The off-sensor sensels in the LA-EA4 only get 1/3rd of the light, but they're much bigger, and some of them are cross type. On the other hand, on-sensor has advantages of more points (117 vs. 15) and no need for microfocus adjustment.
Completelly agree, this is what I said.
 
It will often be faster, or better (because of more focus points), with the LA-EA3 and other OSPDAF adapters.
 
LA-EA4 uses its own AF system, and do not rely on camera AF.
I don't understand why the LA-EA4 needs its own AF system. What happened to the almighty a7Rii sensor?

I have two Sigma lenses for the A-mount. I see a lot of hunting, telling of contrast detection. One is a 170-500mm APO full-frame that does some, but less than the 18-250mm APS-C crop lens.

The focus hunting is full time without the shutter half-pressed. I set the menu option AF w/Shutter so that it should save the battery. It ignores that.
 
LA-EA4 uses its own AF system, and do not rely on camera AF.
I don't understand why the LA-EA4 needs its own AF system. What happened to the almighty a7Rii sensor?
I have two Sigma lenses for the A-mount. I see a lot of hunting, telling of contrast detection. One is a 170-500mm APO full-frame that does some, but less than the 18-250mm APS-C crop lens.
The focus hunting is full time without the shutter half-pressed. I set the menu option AF w/Shutter so that it should save the battery. It ignores that.
First, the LA-EA4 predates the A7R2 by over a year... More, if you consider that it's really just a full frame version of the LA-EA2. Second, it's designed for use on cameras that may not have OSPDAF, like the A7R and A7S.

Secondly, hunting is not necessarily a sign of CDAF. It's a sign that the system can't find anything to focus on. CDAF is different from PDAF in that it may not know which direction to move when an object is almost in focus, and in the PID loop type behavior it goes through to finalize focus. Both may hunt, but when CDAF is working correctly, with lenses designed for the system, the PID loop is is pretty fast and mostly unnoticeable. When you're using CDAF with a PDAF lens, though, the system goes to very slow steps and a much slower loop, and that is obvious. This is not something you'll ever see with the LA-EA4.
 

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